i'm not exactly sure how friendly this community is with potentially controversial opinions on china and the ccp but i really just want to have an open honest conversation on this topic without getting called a dumb ch*nk or cia operative (which i do get a lot on twitter). also this is kinda long and rambly and maybe nobody will read it but if a single person does and is interested in talking more pls hmu.
basics: i think as far as political leanings go, i would label myself a leftist and/or socialist, depending on who i talk to. i have an academic interest in decolonization and police abolition. i'm taiwanese, which comes with a whole host of political implications on its own, but i think it's necessary to state this given the topic matter. also, i am 21 and still in university and most of the time just kinda a dumbass, so bear with me.
on topical issues: i am part of the diminishingly small community of pro-hk leftists both irl and on twitter. i've participated in climate, blm and hk protests in london (go to uni there). i am fairly certain that i can't travel to hk and china now without getting arrested because of my activities in this community and because of other taiwan related non-profits that i'm involved in. i've had the cops called on me at both blm and hk protests and it has cemented my belief that ACAB.
on hk protests: there is a wide, wide range of political opinions in the hk protest scene, and i have been personally disgusted by many hk supporters for also being trump supporters and/or capitalist shills. however, i do believe that the fundamental cause that the protesters are fighting for is just. police action in hk has also been just terrible, and when i say acab i mean All cops. lausan's publications on the matter generally align with what i personally believe in, as do many prominent pro-hk leftists on twitter.
on uyghurs: it is incredibly hard to discern fact from propaganda and fiction when it comes to this specific issue. i understand the hesitation that many of the left have when it comes to believing the scale of what's going on in the XUAR - zenz, aspi, and many american/european politicians that have spoken on it are unreliable or downright despicable and have suspicious motives. however, in the same vein, many leftist papers i've seen cite sources directly sanctioned by the ccp which i for the life of me cannot take seriously. i have talked personally to uyghur protesters (again in london) who have missing family members. i think it's important that in our discourse on the subject we don't speak over uyghurs who are living through real, everyday trauma. my personal position on the issue is that i believe what's happening in the XUAR amounts to cultural genocide, based on everything i've read (pro and against) and personal accounts obtained from people i've talked to irl. i find it incredibly difficult to navigate the political discourse surrounding this on twitter bc it often escalates to, well, finger-pointing and personal insults. it's really soul-sucking to be called a cia operative/bought by the cia when i literally fucking despise american imperialism. also i'm a broke uni student :(
on the ccp: this might be a controversial thing to say here, but the ccp is not the socialist/communist haven that i've seen many make it out to be (mostly online, admittedly). on a theoretical level it appears to me to most resemble a state capitalist system, and politically it is most definitely authoritarian. the ccp, however, does not represent all of china and chinese people, who i think are really one of the biggest victims of the regime. the smear campaign against china/chinese people that many us/european news outlets/politicians have adapted is straight up racist and sinophobic. i think at the end of the day, it is possible to criticize the ccp's actions without demonizing the entire nation.
on twitter leftism: i only started being involved and active in the leftist and hk scene on twitter around autumn last year, but it's so toxic that i am becoming pretty disheartened and disillusioned. it is an absolute shitshow, for example, to talk about trump being a racist sexist and morally abhorrent asshat in the protest scene because there's an infuriatingly high number of 'single-issue trump supporters' both in hk and taiwan. the backlash you get from criticizing the ccp or suggesting that there is something incredibly wrong going on in the XUAR on leftist twitter is actually eerily similar.
i'm not sure if i'm missing out on some stuff here but these are just the things i've been ruminating over since end of last year. i only recently discovered chapochat off the r/wsb fiasco, and found this page, so i just wanted to engage hopefully with reasonable leftists who can talk respectfully and critically on these subjects.
hope y'all have a good day :)
**edit: hello friends thank you all for your replies, some of which have been so detailed and insightful! i would like to continue the conversations with everybody but it's giving me a bit of anxiety looking at so many responses, so i may take some time off of the thread. however, i have read through every single response here and it has given me a lot to think about! thank you for your contributions! i'm also not quite sure how this platform works or if there's a DM function, but if there is and any of you would like to chat with me personally on this topic feel free to hmu.
hope y'all have a good day, stay safe and keep cozy!
hi, thank you for your detailed response, i would like to reply to it in detail as well but it's a bit late so i might follow up tomorrow!
I don't agree with everything you say, but you have some reasonable takes. Have you read Blackshirts and Reds? It focuses on the Soviet Union, but a lot of its content about U.S. claims of authoritarianism could easily be applied to China. In particular:
We have heard much about the ruthless Reds, beginning with the reign of terror and repression perpetrated during the dictatorship of Joseph Stalin ( 1929-1 953). Estimates of those who perished under Stalin's rule-based principally on speculations by writers who never reveal how they arrive at such figures-vary wildly. Thus, Roy Medvedev puts Stalin's victims at 5 to 7 million; Robert Conquest decided on 7 to 8 million; Olga Shatunovskaia claims 19.8 million just for the 1935-40 period; Stephen Cohen says 9 million by 1 939, with 3 million executed or dying from mistreatment during the 1936-39 period; and Arthur Koestler tells us it was 20 to 25 million. More recently, William Rusher, of the Claremont Institute, refers to the " 100 million people wantonly murdered by Communist dictators since the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917" ( Oakland Tribune, 1 /22/96) and Richard Lourie blames the Stalin era for "the slaughter of millions" (New York Times, 8/4/96)...
To be sure, crimes of state were committed in communist countries and many political prisoners were unjustly interned and even murdered. But the inflated numbers offered by cold-war scholars serve neither historical truth nor the cause of justice but merely help to reinforce a knee-jerk fear and loathing of those terrible Reds.
In 1993, for the first time, several historians gained access to previously secret Soviet police archives and were able to establish well-documented estimates of prison and labor camp populations. They found that the total population of the entire gulag as of January 1939, near the end of the Great Purges, was 2,022,976.
We've seen big, bold claims of authoritarian excess before, and they turned out to be exaggerated by an order of magnitude. We're in a new Cold War; we should look to the first Cold War to see the type of propaganda we can expect.
Additionally, when one compares the treatment of Uyghurs in China (or the treatment of Hong Kong protesters) to the treatment of black people in the U.S., or compares the Chinese approach to extremist violence to the American one, it puts things in a much different perspective. This doesn't mean China's approach is perfect, but it says something about how upset we should be with each situation, and it says something about how honest people are being when they're foaming at the mouth over China but apologetic about the U.S.
Finally, there's the question of whether a better (but still realistic) solution exists. The second link in the above paragraph touches on this, but what would a better solution to extremist violence look like? If that's hard to articulate -- and it is -- perhaps that explains in part why the existing solution leaves something to be desired.
hi, thanks for sharing! no i haven't read that, but i'll take a look when i have time. funny thing is my degree is actually eastern europe and russia focused, so that should be an interesting read.
i do question the numbers you get in the current literature regarding the situation in the XUAR, and i don't doubt they're inflated, but i do think the fact remains that there is something very wrong happening there, and it's distressing to me that it's nigh impossible to figure out what the hell is going on because of the censorship and propaganda, in china and in the west. if i could fly there and verify for myself what's going on i would, but again, that's impossible.
Additionally, when one compares the treatment of Uyghurs in China (or the treatment of Hong Kong protesters) to the treatment of black people in the U.S., or compares the Chinese approach to extremist violence to the American one, it puts things in a much different perspective. This doesn’t mean China’s approach is perfect, but it says something about how upset we should be with each situation, and it says something about how honest people are being when they’re foaming at the mouth over China but apologetic about the U.S.
i agree with this completely, and unfortunately i have witnessed firsthand how pro-hk people in online spaces can be around the blm movement - that is to say, there's a lot of cognitive dissonance and anti-black racism going on. i personally think that it is ideologically inconsistent to support hk but not blm, and vice versa. also pro-hk trump supporters are cancerous and i hold no sympathy for them.
it’s distressing to me that it’s nigh impossible to figure out what the hell is going on because of the censorship and propaganda, in china and in the west. if i could fly there and verify for myself what’s going on i would, but again, that’s impossible.
Consider that China invited diplomats from Muslim countries to visit, they did visit, and those countries found no significant issues. I think there's still room for skepticism -- big economies talk, and there are plenty of reasons for countries to soft-pedal other countries' treatment of people -- but this is pretty strong evidence against any sort of mass concentration camp narrative.
One story to watch on Hong Kong is a new visa program in the U.K. that would allow 70% of the territory's residents to move to the U.K. and eventually become citizens. If there's a mass exodus when that program starts, that's a sign that tons of people in HK believe they're experiencing serious oppression. But if most people stay put? That would suggest the protests weren't widely popular, or the protesters don't view their situation as dire, or both. It will be interesting either way.
Impossible? If you have the economic means it’s perfectly possible (at least when the pandemic is over and China issues visas again)
my parents believe that it is unsafe for me to visit hk or china due to the national security law, which i have violated many times. i on a personal level would love to visit again but i wouldn't risk it.
Follow https://twitter.com/RodericDay on twitter. He's a really smart and principled marxist-leninist with very good threads on China and the Uyghurs. TLDR: China good, Genocide is CIA lies like WMD in Iraq.
oh i've actually talked to him directly before! he's one of the few ppl i've found in the twitter leftist sphere who i can disagree with but still chat amiably with.
He's really fucking nice and a really principled leftist. He's someone we should all strive to be.
yes he is, he actually called out his followers when they used racial slurs against me lol
Just popping in to say this is 100% exactly the type of content I want to see on here, good-faith open-minded discussions from people who think differently. If anything, this should be this website's primary goal. I'm happy to see you're being well received!
hi yes thank you for the nice comment! this was what i was hoping for actually, to be able to talk to leftists who are able to see the nuance in contentious political issues and talk abt it without being rude or disrespectful :D
And just to be clear, some of us on here share the same dilemma as you. The "hivemind" is super pro-CCP, anti-HK, often disregards uyghur testimonies. I'm more somewhere in the middle, propaganda is coming from all sides and truthfully I'm not smart enough to discern it. So I'm kind of agnostic to the question "support CCP or not support." That said, I'm fervently anti-interventionist. Bad shit is happening in China, to an unknown extent by me - but as an individual, it matters much more what you think of your own country. And in the past 20 years, the US & western democracies have far more blood on their hands than China does. Half a million dead in the middle east, countries economies entirely destroyed. China hasn't done anything nearly as bad as this.
I want to ask in earnest regarding all your concerns, and I want you answer me as honestly as possible: what can you as a civilian activist in a country that is not China do about anything that is happening in China?
i don't believe an individual activist has the power to do much about what's happening anywhere, but we have a community spearheaded by actors who have real political power to effect change bit by bit. keeping the protests relevant online is i think base level involvement. on a personal level, being as i am taiwanese, i put my efforts into doing what i can: spreading awareness about global and domestic issues within taiwan, and donating to organizations i think are working to a valid cause when i can. i'm part of/founded student run non-profits based on these principles.
Thank you for your honest reply. When I say "you" I of course don't mean you as an individual, so much as the collective of activists who take an agressive anti-CPC stance. I appreciate that as you are Taiwanese, you perhaps have a more personal stake in the issue than some Western-born activist who has been informed solely by mainstream western media.
For Western leftists and activists who take this stance, however, I cannot possibly understand:
- A) who or what they can influence into doing anything about it; China isn't going to listen, and even if they can influence their own government, simple denoucement does nothing and China will carry on regardless with its own national projects. Any political action done against China in retaliation for its own internal affairs generally results in mutually destructive trade wars, sanctions, diplomatic breakdowns, and military escalation. China has rarely ever backed down from its stances and it's more than happy to play the very long game.
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- B ) Why they would waste their activist energy focusing on the actions of China, when they are far more likely to clean up house in what their own governments are doing in their own borders and the massacres and horrific human rights crimes their close, personal, freedom-loving allies like Israel, Saudia Arabia (and assorted other Gulf oil States), Indonesia, Brasil, et al are committing in regards to Palestinians, Yemenis, and their indigenous populations, using western sold hardware and direct participation. They claim "we can do both!" No, you literally can't. Every second you spend writing a screed or attending a protest condemning China, you give western imperialists and their allies a free pass on their own crimes which you can actually influence. You take a bullet for your own imperialists while denouncing the actions of another nation.
I appreciate that as a Taiwanese your own relationships regarding China are complex and very dependent on both the PRC and the western imperialists, and that you have a mutually strained diplomatic relation with the PRC going back decades. May I ask, what is your stance on the territorial claims of the RoC and the KMT constitution in relation to the PRC's own claims and current holdings which have been stable for decades? Do you believe that the RoC should control Xinjiang, Tibet, all of Mongolia, Hong Kong, and the entire South China Sea (which coincidentally the western imperialists roundly condemn the PRC for)?
thank you for your very thorough and thoughtful reply!
Every second you spend writing a screed or attend a protest condemning China, you give western imperialists and their allies a free pass on their own crimes which you can actually influence. You take a bullet for your own imperialists while denouncing the actions of another nation.
i understand this of course, and being american and british educated i do care a lot about what's going on the us and the uk, but at this point in time i'm choosing my battles, and of course respect leftists who choose theirs. the toxic community i refer to on twitter is more specifically a reactionary group of leftists who for the most aren't chinese/hkers/taiwanese/from any other country or social group related to the chinese diaspora, who use their platform to amplify the chinese government's voice and positions.
May I ask, what is your stance on the territorial claims of the RoC and the KMT constitution in relation to the PRC’s own claims and current holdings which have been stable for decades? Do you believe that the RoC should control Xinjiang, Tibet, all of Mongolia, Hong Kong, and theentire South China Sea (which coincidentally the western imperialists roundly condemn the PRC for)?
i view the roc as a settler colonial state on the island of taiwan, though this is a more radical position i think than the average liberal/left-leaning taiwanese. i think the roc should be abolished, but as of now that's probably not happening any time soon. i think the claims are antiquated and imperialist, and the only reason that the roc government officially maintains it is probably more due to the 1992 consensus than anything else.
Thank you as well for your reply. I am also choosing my battle, and as it stands, any hostile action taken against China by my imperialst-capitalist home country is, for all intents and purposes, an act of escalation to war, and any mediatic coverage of China's crimes (real or imagined) is steeped in sinophobia and panic about no longer being the number one player on the global economic and military stage.
I want to be abundantly clear that I do not, under any circumstances, want to be part of a direct nor indirect war with China established in the basis of its human rights abuses, the latter which could quite conceivably be resolved by taking a less hostile stance, paradoxically. But thus far, all this mediatic siege is merely step-by-step buildup into creating a popular consensus for war, exactly as had been done in the past regarding Vietnam, Iraq, etc. I am no longer playing this game. While Uighurs may be in less-than-ideal conditions, millions of actual Yemenis are being slaughtered byt bombs, starvation, and denial of medicine, all on my coin, and with the total tacit approval of my home country, with such a disciplined media silence on the issue that it would make the usual capitalist projections of 1984 blush. My government can end this slaughter tomorrow if it wanted to. My government can help those Yemenis right now. Saudi Arabia is far more deserving of "liberation" and "democratization" than China would ever be. Yet we treat them like we would treat any western ally, despite being an absolute monarchy with atrocious human rights abuses and zero freedom of expression. My battle is against a far greater evil that my own nation has sutained and nurtured for decades. I simply cannot ignore this to focus on China.
if it helps your thinking on china, the country is 80 years old and rapidly evolving. take the success of the anti-corruption campaign. It appears highly successful. Which means that there was a lot of corruption to root out. The CPC made many mistakes. That is the inevitable part of trying to change things for the biggest country on earth with the most people. Every indicator we can see now looks like they are on the right path and going to continue making things better going forward. However, history is long and there is no way to know for sure. They could fall back into the excesses of the 80s. Which would still make them less corrupt that America is now, just in ways we aren't used to.
However when we contrast their reasonable successes with the generalized abject failure of the west, and that we all kind of just go along with it. It is hard to create a mental map of anything that makes sense. So when we see something like china trying known best practices for ending terrorism we feel weird. even if our alternative is the American style blowing up children's hospitals.
Hello, what a nice post!
I will respond
police action in hk has also been just terrible, and when i say acab i mean All cops.
Honestly this is fair.
This is why i DON'T support the HK Protests, despite ACAB, source from PSL https://www.liberationnews.org/educational-background-material-hong-kong-crisis-prepared-psl/
A January 2014 study by the Hong Kong Transition Project shows that the Occupy Central movement has a definite social base among upper-class and upper-middle class Hong Kongers. Managers and administrators were evenly split in opposition and support. Upper-middle class sectors — professionals and educators, associate professionals, and college students — were the only sectors offering more support than opposition to the movement. The lower-class sectors of clerks, service employees, blue-collar workers, retirees and the unemployed, as well as housewives, responded with overwhelming opposition to the Occupy Central movement. This was clearly not formed as a movement of and for the “99%.”
But that makes sense, right? The issue here isn't "do people deserve food and shelter", why would busy poor people care about it?
The U.S. State Department has provided grants of $500,000 to train students at the University of Hong Kong in building a “pro-democracy” movement. One of the founders and central leaders of Occupy Central, law professor Benny Tai, is a close collaborator with the U.S. State Department, serving on the Board of Directors of the U.S.-funded “Centre for Comparative and Public Law” at the University of Hong Kong. Other Occupy Central political leaders promoted in the media, such as Audrey Eu Yuet-mee and Martin Lee, are also close allies of the U.S. State Department who both met with Vice President Joe Biden in the White House this year.
I always get sus when amerikkka decides to "fund democracy" somewhere. Why would the biggest imperialist nation in the world decide to start just giving grant money to people in Hong Kong? Reminder that we currently have: concentration camps, reservations, the biggest prison population in the world, guantanamo bay STILL FUCKING OPEN, a surveillance state, and we're currently killing a 9/11 worth of people every day with COVID-19 and burying them in mass graves. So why, would this great free nation, who completely fairly elected Joe Biden with absolutely no election fuckery even in the primaries, care to spend half a mill in Hong Kong? Did we suddenly develop a conscious or develop the need to be a white savior? But not for Iraq, Iran, Palestine, or any of the south american nations we've fucked with! No, suddenly we care to develop "democracy" in Hong Kong. Gotta get our imperialist fingers in every little pie, don't we!
and the whole reason it started was a rich man who killed his pregnant girlfriend trying to avoid extradition and succeeding. He's walking free now, btw. Hahah who cares about that though, right? LOL, misogyny.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/23/asia/hong-kong-taiwan-murder-intl-hnk/index.html
also
many hk supporters for also being trump supporters and/or capitalist shills
Yeahhhhhh if we get "many" brownshirts at my protest movement i'm gonna sideye it a bit. that's just me tho. I do agree ACAB. Thanks for taking the time to step into the hornet's nest and make this post :)
Yeahhhhhh if we get “many” brownshirts at my protest movement i’m gonna sideye it a bit. that’s just me tho. I do agree ACAB. Thanks for taking the time to step into the hornet’s nest and make this post :)
i would generally agree, but i have also talked to many taiwanese people who are misguided about trump, including my own mother. there is a lot of pain involved in discussing political issues like this when to the everyday taiwanese (and probably hker as well), their interest in us politics is limited to how it interacts with regional/domestic politics. for taiwan, this is obviously the matter of us-chinese-taiwanese relations. i have tried to reason with my mom about how trump, despite being possible good for taiwan's political standing in the short term, is a menace to the world and needs to be removed from power asap. she doesn't understand this, because to her trump being in power means taiwan having more political standing on the international stage, and being able to have some semblance of self determination.
now, this applies more to taiwan ofc as i have met more taiwanese ppl than hkers, but i think the general sentiment is the same.
that makes sense to me :) People aren't perfect and don't generally understand things outside their little sphere unless they really make the effort - i think one of the CTH hosts said something like "people generally have no coherent ideology"
tbh just log off, its not worth the effort torturing yourself going through bad takes
I always cringe when I see white leftists online bicker endlessly about a country of 1.4 billion people in Asia that they have never even visited, although to be fair theres always just a vocal minority that loves to argue about everything. It's not like the posturing of online leftists has any material effect anyways, whether they are giving ccp "critical support", denouncing it, or something more ambiguous in between. The reality is that the media machine in the west will continue to churn out sinophobic propaganda regardless, China will continue to churn out it's own propaganda, and the contest for power continue to intensify, with HK, Taiwan, and Xinjiang as proxy conflicts.
Now my own awful take is this: The situation in China is quite complex and unique, but bottom line, it has a capitalist economy. That is just a fact. As for whether the CCP is trying to turn this around under Xi, I find this to be quite questionable. Even if they are, I have a hard time seeing it succeeding without some insane 10d chess. A government cant just suddenly turn socialist, it goes against histomat and is simply irrational. China, as with all countries in the world, will need a revolution to bring about socialism.
On the global scale, it is obvious that China is nowhere near as powerful as the United states in both soft and hard power. Take hong kong for an example, it is not even able to exert power over its own territory, and the US surrounds China with military bases. Any movement in opposition to China and the CCP is always dominated by pro-US right wing elements with a degree of CIA involvement. However, it is ridiculous to use this to discredit the entire movements, especially the left wing elements of these movements all together, doing so only gives more credibility to the right wing elements.
I have quite a lot more to say about the specifics but I will just leave it here for now, maybe I will complete my full thought later.
hello, thanks for your response! i agree with basically everything you say here, but
tbh just log off, its not worth the effort torturing yourself going through bad takes
posting this has taken a lot of alcohol based courage on my part bc i genuinely have bad experiences with leftists online, but i think it's important to have open conversations on contentious topics like this and i want to understand the perspectives of other leftists. i will probably log off if it gets too overwhelming and anxiety-inducing tho
I think the Hong Kong issue should be just put to a vote by the residents. At least that's the democratic way.
Good thing the imperialists have never rigged a popular vote before and will never consider doing so to the detriment of their geopolitical rival.
That is basically asking a cia front group to challenge the numbers and build a military base there.
the HK group could just claim that China would rig the votes or something and urge pro-HK people to abstain so then when support is ridiculously low they can claim it was rigged
i would label myself a leftist and/or socialist
from this i take it you have never read theory or had more long form political discussions in leftist spaces like this one, right?
i have read theory as it is part of the degree i do, and yes i don't generally do long form political discussions in any space because it gives me massive anxiety and can often be triggering :)
i see! i think as you discuss politics more or even watch more discussions unfold you'll naturally drift into an ideological understanding of the world and develop from there. this site should be really good for that.
i'd say a majority of people here critically support the chinese government, some do because of their struggle against western imperialism, others believe the PRC is legitimately communist-led (my case), etc. either way people will not shut down discussion as long as it is done in good faith. there might be some memeing or ribbing but it's done in a lighthearted way generally.i do think your stance on the PRC is heavily influenced by your background of being a Taiwanese citizen, having studied in the West for some time now and then maybe having better material conditions than most working people. (i say this because studying abroad is very expensive, but maybe you have a ton of scholarships and financial aid idk your specific situation) again, i could be wrong, but there are all sorts of reasons why specific people might be more susceptible to propaganda or ultra-leftist positions on specific issues.
i do agree with you on the fact that the situation in Xinjiang might constitue or be very close to constituting cultural genocide, but i'm not sure if there's a non-invasive way to quickly deal with the rapid radcalization of a domestic ethnic minority population.
i have more reasons why i support the PRC, but i don't think you were looking for a debate this thread and you meant more to vent, so i won't unnecessarily create a struggle session.also, welcome to chapo!
i visited xi'an once as a secondary school student, it was a lovely place.
mainland Chinese people are really one of the biggest victims of the regime’.
I pretty much dismiss anyone who says lines like this, it's guaranteed that the person has never actually spent time with actual Mainland Chinese people, and the OP pretty much confirms this. The CCP's poverty alleviation and turning a backwards country, ravaged by Western/Japanese Imperialism, into a global power able to compete with the USA is simply unprecedented in world history. I few years ago during the Left Forum, I listened to a talk by Chinese American activists who spent time in Mainland China, they talked to workers and found that the majority were most concerned about improving their lot in life, ie better pay and working conditions, just like the majority of workers all over the world. They were not concerned about "Democracy" like the Western propaganda machine wants you to believe.
I few years ago during the Left Forum, I listened to a talk by Chinese American activists who spent time in Mainland China,
i can see how that may have influenced your perspective, and in a similar vein my opinion is formed based on chinese dissidents i have talked to regarding the political machinations within china. they were not politicians and showed up to protests at great personal risk, and it was eye-opening to get insight from mainland chinese who have grown up there.
as for the comment on chinese people being victims of the regime, as far as i understand china is a state capitalist economy and that many outside of bigger cities such as beijing or shanghai are impoverished - i think that they are victims of capitalism the same as everyone else in the world.
hi, i'm afraid it is unsafe for me to visit china anytime soon as i have violated the national security laws many times through activism
This is the same argument they've been using with Tibet for decades now. I don't think the peasants in Tibet wanted generational slavery to stick around, but no one ever focuses on their voices, only the petite bourgeois landlords that fled the country after China liberated the peasants.
Hong Kong is a colonial state and has no right to independence. If you think Ireland should be united but not China then you don't have very consistent views
yes I do not support what hk police has done. I would say usa police will be much brutal but still the brutality exists but on ccp: look around yourself, which capitalist govenment gives a single shit about poverty in their country. I know this does not make them commie but only commies are giving a shit about poverty at this point. their constitution is still written with communist principles and this holds a pressure on party. ussr had to be dissolved instead of turning into union of soviet capitalist republic. they have around 91% approval rate and I will say they absolutely have the right to govern. "could this approval be a lie", could be, but my friend who have seen a lot of chineese exchange students said they are generally approving the government except it is a little hard getting out of country. to be fair, I did not hate people for voting lesser evil or harm reductionism. if china's capitalism is what we are heading, I approve it. I will accept the repressive authority if it means less people are gonna be poor
Off topic but do you live in Taiwan? I have absolutely 0 comrade friends here
Oh sweet. I'm just a 外國人 living in near Taipei, but DM me if you ever wanna make a new friend
