I see this eye-roll of a bad take here all the time.
Writing off most/all anime (Which, again, is literally any/all animation from Japan regardless of content) is the same thing as writing off most/all western animation: CMV.
Anime would be fucking awesome if it wasnt so bad with women. A lot of otherwise good shows are ruined for "fanservice"
Fanservice is more a phenomenon of Capitalism than it is a phenomenon of anime in general though, no? Like, there are western live action shows that basically exist only as a vehicle for fanservice (thinking of Supernatural for example)
American shows are worse in some respects, im just more used to it tbh
I think the cuteness fixation is a kind of perversion :zizek-fuck:
they are just observing that the majority of anime produced reflects a reactionary worldview.
I think its important to remember that what most of us perceive to be "the majority of anime" is filtered through the tastes of western neckbeard consumers. The anime we hear about or are translated inherently cater to the demographic that's most likely to consume it and buy merchandise.
If you look at the highest grossing anime films in Japan, it's overwhelmingly family-friendly entertainment. Might not be woke, but not really reactionary either.
Thats not to say that there isn't a Japanese market for reactionary trash, but we should be careful not to assume that what's popular in the west is equally popular in Japan.
filtered through the tastes of western neckbeard consumers
No atomized neoliberal subject in Japan would be so degenerate!
No one thinks it’s an inherent property of the media
There are, in fact, multiple people on this site who unironically believe this.
lol no they're not, at least not most
no different than when they pretend gamers are all evil, as they are alt-tabbed out from playing a fucking video game
don't presume people mean some hidden meaning behind what they say, most likely they simply mean what it is that they actually said.
do you seriously need examples? cus it wont take that long to find some
you're the one acting like people are saying something totally different from what they actually say. all I'm saying is what someone says is probably what they meant, not some totally different interpretation that happens to fit your current argument
when they say dumb shit about anime and any other form of entertainment that leftists hate, they probably mean it
edit: and no fucking shit of course they aren't saying that japanese cartoons are specifically the issue, wtf kinda shit is that
so then you're not really saying anything at all. you're still grouping in everything that is a japanese cartoon and pretending like it's all bad. the people saying that all anime is bad of course would claim they have no problems with cartoons or japanese animation, they just happen to bitch about all japanese animation tho.
there's no difference if they still group all anime and everyone that watches it together, their claims about animation are entirely irrelevant
if you say you only hate these small group of douches, but then lump everyone who's into similar things together with the douches, then you're hating everyone for no reason
every take that puts people from many different backgrounds and beliefs into one group simply because they enjoy a particular kind of entertainment is fucking stupid. unless if that entertainment is like blood sport or something nutty.
anime is fine, video games are fine, pretending like everyone who enjoys those is bad is just one of the long list of dumbass things super duper online "leftists" do. it's no different from the right wingers hating rap simply cus people they don't like enjoy it, it's fucking stupid insular shit
Miyazaki is great, nobody talks about The Wind Rises which is a shame because it's about how fascism steals the dreams and productive energy of the main character.
Someone on Chapo recently pointed out to me that Madoka Magica can be interpreted as a scathing allegory for the military-industrial complex.
I just started watching that because of that comment. While I think it’s ok for an anime and I like the animation when they fight witches or whatever I’m not really seeing analogy. Though I just watch anime on occasion because I like all the crazy Japanese weirdness and animation in general. I’m not really expecting to further my political understanding. That’s what Lenin is for
If you just started watching the allegory is not likely to be clear. A key strength of that show is how it subverts expectations. Can't say much more than that without spoilers.
Writing off most/all anime (Which, again, is literally any/all animation from Japan regardless of content) is the same thing as writing off most/all western animation: CMV.
Yeah, this is a weird (almost orientalist) double standard. Look at it another way, most American Hollywood productions are reactionary garbage, but I very seldom hear leftists say that all American live action films are garbage.
Read the sentence you quoted again. Very few people dismiss ALL American live action films as garbage. In fact, I recall that the old sub was very positive about Sorry to Bother You when it came out.
People can dunk on capeshit while acknowledging that there are some good live action films coming out of the US. No reason you can't dunk on reactionary anime while acknowledging that good stuff comes out too.
Dude Miyazaki was literally a goddamn Marxist. Of course he's better than most
He's got some old autobiographical sketches of him with his buddies in the union and attached text complaining about America and industrial society. There's a reactionary "well acckshully" page out there that actually documents it well, but says "Miyazaki is no longer a dumb communist lol" because he once said that being part of the proletariat or bourgeoisie doesn't make you an inherently moral/immoral person.
5 seconds later
"Pay no mind as I proceed to make the animes."
Miyazaki says alot of things, he's a weird guy. Like Walt Disney you could say.
White people in blackface eating watermelons
"Truly this is the height of comedy."
Oh god please no. We JUST had this struggle session in the meme chat of the discord and it paralysed everything for like 2 hours. You don't know what you're starting... :negative:
if something this stupid causes a struggle session then it's desperately needed. cus this is seriously fucking dumb
Ok I’m just gonna say that this movie has a very underage love interest. Still worth watching because it’s all very G rated but it definitely made me a little uncomfortable watching. I still agree with OP too but porco rosso is not an unassailable example lol.
Interesting. I saw the character of the mechanic's daughter as more having a unrequited crush on Porco Rosso, the middle aged pig. In the movie, every man is a pig, but Porco is the only one open about it. His honor and tragedy comes from his self-effacing celibacy. He is self-aware enough to rebuff the advances of the young girl, but hates himself too much to settle down with his true love, that woman on the island. I always saw the girl's advances as something Porco unequivocally rejected, as a strangely honorable pig man.
Damn you know what I think you’re analysis is much better than mine. You’ve brought me around. Such a visually stunning movie, I loved it and now I love it even more! Definitely a movie about dissecting different kinds of masculinity. And Italian excellence.
