Cant find good sources, literally everything from "death penalty" to a $300 fine and a week or two in jail
any nerds who DO want to get mad at china for not making drugs legal-
O P I U M
Do you think decriminalizing drug distribution/selling in China would be a good policy? Maybe marijuana but they're right to be paranoid about the possibility of Western powers flooding the country with hard drugs again.
ok i am going to just be honest. I am a huge cannabis user. I am in my past other drug user. I WISH that we had not just a culture of genuine anti drug sentiment, but that i grew up in a place that did not give me direct access as a 13 year old.
I understand where you are coming from, but the main way that drugs should be fought is thru meaningful life and work, which is what china is doing now.
every solution has a major downside to it.
drug prohibition doesn’t work unless you’re willing to go total scorched earth against both dealers and addicts. That’s actually how China dealt with their original opium problem.
That's... not a great solution.
It's still federally illegal, so the FBI can just no knock you if they want and put you in prison lol.
Know a guy who worked on a grow op in a legal state and the feds showed up, killed his dog, and put him in prison for 8 months until his lawyer (that ate up all the money he'd saved) was able to get the charges dropped.
yeah this is why americans are genuinely annoying.. like yall know your drugs are SUPER illegal right??
You know how most people are like four or five generations removed from living off thr land directly? China got half that going. They are making great progress
One wonders why it has taken them so long to adopt cosmopolitan norms. Oh...
Cause their material conditions are advancing far faster than a culture can assimilate I mean. So there are weird artifacts like this that will likely self resolve over time.
americans get shit gor conservatism here too, sorry but i don’t do this one guy is held to a different standard shit
What guy are you talking about? Are you referring to the countries of US and China as "guys"? America is a first world, imperialist country and China is a developing nation not far removed from when it was dominated, exploited and impoverished by those countries. Of course we don't judge them by the same standards, that's idiotic.
nah that's dumb. You do something stupid I will say "that's stupid", i don't care how developed one is
I've said this before but I had a roommate who worked in Shenzhen teaching for a year around 2014, so here is how he described it to me. Drugs are hard to come by and all are treated as bad. He bought a little bit of weed and it wasn't very good for the price. He said he once saw a gentleman he assumed was smoking a joint in an alley get yelled at and clubbed by a couple cops but no further action. The drinking and hook up scene in Shenzhen is wild so he didn't miss smoking too much.
I've been told by someone with direct experience that Chinese people and cops don't really know anything about it besides the fact that it exists in the abstract and "a drug". If you're a Westerner the cops might come over and ask you about what you're smoking, but they probably don't want to deal with the paperwork or whatever. My source claims that they found a ~8 foot tall cannabis plant and brought it back on the tour bus to confused reactions.
I've read that possession is light for small amounts of drugs (although I don't think it mentioned weed in particular), but transport or sale may be eligible for the death penalty.
My understanding is that "drugs" in general are very highly frowned upon as a result of the Opium Wars. There's not a whole lot more nuance to it (of course individuals will have their own opinions nons and experiences).
No I don't have sources, yes this is anecdotal, and please defer to literally anyone else if they contradict me.
On paper yes, I wouldn't mess with it personally. In practice, this is the experience that someone had that was related to me. If a cop hasn't actually smelled weed before, or maybe they did 10 years back when they were training, how are they really supposed to enforce it?
Who says people get busted by a cop smelling people passing a jay while walking down the street? The cops drug test, and if they catch one they'll roll up the whole dealer network.
Yeah, it's shit too. The weed in the west has been carefully cultivated for decades. This is wild weed. Liberty Haze this is not.
Imagine the difference between apples cultivated in orchards and the kind of apples they had in the middle ages.
'Land Races' of cannabis are super sought after in the weed industry because they are not over-breed and contain very healthy genetic diversity. Most of the strains that are popular these days originate from only a few ancestor strains. It's interesting because archeological finds in China have discovered the oldest evidence of ritual/medicinal use of cannabis. So maybe China weed strains will be a huge deal in the future.
I think the next generation of the CPC will quickly fix that. It seems that the youth caucus is very pro-LGBT which is good. As long as poverty stays low and the secular shift in the peasantry continues, I can see it happening very soon.
I really hope so because a country of over a billion people opening up to LGBT rights would be amazing
I can't find anything on their websites (don't really know how to search for it because I don't know what to look for), there's this article showing that there's a growing movement for LGBT rights.
My only other evidence is a large amount of Twitter accounts that claim to be CPC youth leauge members with rainbow flags in their bio lol. I'd anyone here is able to do the research and find out just how active the youth are in this movement of be very interested to read about it.
Not that I can claim exlertise but feom the relorts I have seen they aren't anti lgbt tbr way our conservatives twnd to be. What I hear about the most is the wanting grandkids no matter what part. Going from 15 kids on a farm to one child policy probably stessed some old their boomers out to the limit
Depends on how many assholes have been there before ruining it for everyone. If you're near a university then it's likely that they know exactly what weed is and have deported many morons for smoking it. Oh, and they can and will park a bus outside a music festival and piss test everyone there, and all that test positive get on the bus. The Chinese get a fine, the foreigners get deported.
You'll get a couple weeks in the slammer where you'll eat rice gruel and then get deported at your own expense, barred from re-entry for 5 years.
You can get the death penalty for smuggling and being a westerner won't save you. They executed a British man, Akmal Shaikh, for taking 8 pounds of heroin into Xinjiang.
heroin kills people, and i'll make no defense of heroin dealers. that is all.
One of my co-workers at a gas station I used to work at had a big "shoot your local heroin dealer" sticker on his car.
China's history with imported opium makes that stance even more understandable...
Every time I rewatch the AVGN episode on HK97 that part kills me
I can support this, knowing china's history with foreigners selling drugs.
Honest question, do you actually support murdering someone by fucking shooting them for dealing something as harmless as pot or are you saying more that you understand the historical context that would lead to a policy like that?
Honest answer: Don't bring drugs into a country that had the average lifespan of it's citizens dropped into the 30s for over a century by foreigners bringing drugs into said country. An alternative concept that would be more understandable would be; don't peddle alcohol among the native peoples that've suffered from 500 years of alchoholism inflicted on them by settler-colonialists peddling hooch to them. If the Native tribes were to regain their lands and form a nation, god willing, then declare the production, sale, and consumption of alchohol illegal with a specific death penalty targeted towards foreigners attempting to sell alchohol - I would support their choice as a people in full understanding of the historical context it's founded upon.
Tl;DR: Stop projecting your values on other cultures, anglo.
I think putting anyone to death for selling drugs is an objectively bad thing, regardless of history.
There are no objective laws, nor are human rights a thing, laws only make sense in the socio-cultural context they were created in, China doesn't execute drug smugglers for the heck of it. If imperialist aggression ceases, then expect drugs to be less harshly punished/decriminalized, not the other way around.
Right, because if there’s one position the feds have historically taken, it’s that penalties surrounding selling marijuana shouldn’t be too harsh.
“ostracized” only reallu counts in communities, friendo. websites are not community
Historical context, of course shooting someone for dealing is dumb. It's something that a lot of people are cool with though.
For example, in America, "shoot your local heroin dealer" is a common trope in communities effected by the opioid epidemic. In China, their fairly recent history with the opium wars still has a lot of people hating drugs.
Hopefully as the peasantry is proletarianized and educated, a more scientific approach can be taken. For right now though, that would be a broadly unpopular thing to do outside of the more urban areas.
yeah especially since a certain world power's certain intelligence agency likes to import drugs into communities they don't like
Has to be China! No other country could stoop to something as low as that*removed externally hosted image*
Honestly in some regions of Asia there is some resistance to what is perceived as "western values", probably as a hostile reaction in response to how the west has treated others. Not saying it's a good or bad thing of course, just something to bear in mind. Things are complicated.
i mean europe basically forced China and other parts of Asia to do opium at gunpoint so i can understand the resistance.
he was just shit posting, but you can't smoke acid. if you'd like to try LSD go to your local dead cover band and make friends with people.
Sounds like you need to start doing cooler drugs.
"Yeah I'm smoking something. You probably haven't heard of it... I'm very cool."
