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try not to re-litigate this, but if you think anonymously threatening to murder someone else's animal is cool and fine, you can fuck off
Further down in the thread lots of people are agreeing that they would shoot the cat :ohnoes:
For every time that someone threatens to harm an outdoor cat, I release 2 cats into the wilderness
For every time I encounter an outdoor cat stan, I go out into the woods again, my face painted camo, a knife between my teeth, a rifle on my back, read to seek my prey, ready to make the hunter the hunted, not to come back to my home till I have myself another 4 feline pelts to add to my collection.
There are still impacts to be had that aren’t meaningless, especially on migrating birds and the like which wouldn’t be as impacted by something like a suburb simply existing.
Also just because this one might be suburban (there’s really no indication it is) it is a fact that outdoor cats can decimate ecosystems
I will not accept this libelous accusation. I shall see you in front of a jury of our outdoor feline peers
My outdoor local ecosystem of skunks, raccoons, rats and squirrels are flourishing. Are cats killing that many birds? I don't have a cat, but my neighbor's cats killed a couple birds so the neighbor put little bells on all the cats so they can't sneak up on shit anymore.
Are cats killing that many birds?
This article says they're "likely the single greatest source of anthropogenic mortality for US birds and mammals" (which I personally doubt, I'd say modern agricultural practices is much higher, but still, it shows it's significant). Yet at the same time the same article also says the majority comes from un-owned cats, not pets.
the neighbor put little bells on all the cats so they can’t sneak up on shit anymore
It works, but only decreases about 41% of killings (the little bastards learn to hunt by silencing the bell, lowering their jaw to stop it tingling).
We estimate that free-ranging domestic cats kill 1.3–4.0 billion birds and 6.3–22.3 billion mammals annually.
What in the ever loving fuck???? Where did they get these numbers? I didn't read the whole paper but I couldn't find it scanning.
Yeah, it's a highly debated estimate. To be honest part of it I think is the desire to attribute the massive collapse of birds population to another cause than the main one: our modern agricultural practices killing insects in tremendous amounts, depleting their food source (see this article or this one for example). I still think outdoors cats kill a significant amount of a depressingly decreasing population of many species, so keeping them indoors can only help.
Domestic cats that regularly go outside have rather large territories they'll patrol. The transition from housecat to stray to feral comes with pretty distinct physiological changes too, cats are only 'cute' when theyre inside and figuratively defanged, killer instincts relegated to attacking hair bands and odd socks.
The story might be different elsewhere, but aus straight up doesn't have a lot of predators, so cats can readily escape and find themselves comfortably at the top of the food chain, to the horror of our marsupial brethren
Do you have any source for that "Domestic cats that regularly go outside have rather large territories they’ll patrol"?
There are a few domesticated cats in my suburban-ass area that were abandoned and they barely wander the block with the exception of the one which a neighbor has taken in on a part time basis. She pretty much never seems to go further than their yard and my yard. This situation very well could be an outlier.
The per capita kill rate of pet cats is 25% that of feral cats. However, pet cats live at much higher densities, so the predation rate of pets per square kilometre in residential areas is 28–52 times larger than predation rates by feral cats in natural environments, and 1.3–2.3 times greater than predation rates per km2 by feral cats living in urban areas. Pet cats kill introduced species more often than do feral cats living in natural environments, but, nonetheless, the toll of native animals killed per square kilometre by pet cats in residential areas is still much higher than the toll per square kilometre by feral cats. There is no evidence that pet cats exert significant control of introduced species. The high predation toll of pet cats in residential areas, the documented examples of declines and extirpations in populations of native species caused by pet cats, and potential pathways for other, indirect effects (e.g. from disease, landscapes of fear, ecological footprints), and the context of extraordinary impacts from feral cats on Australian fauna, together support a default position that pet cat impacts are serious and should be reduced. From a technical perspective, the pet cat impacts can be reduced more effectively and humanely than those of feral cats, while also enhancing pet cat welfare. We review the management options for reducing predation by pet cats, and discuss the opportunities and challenges for improved pet cat management and welfare.)
Oh hell yeah let’s revive the outdoor cat struggle session :isaac-pog:
Shoot and kill out door cats so they don't destroy the ecosystem :geordi-no:
Catch and deliver out door cats to animal shelters so they don't destroy the ecosystem :geordi-yes:
I'll stop setting my catch-traps with tuna if you do that.
No more treats.
In a lot of places delivering a cat to a shelter is basically the same as killing it, just with extra steps.
if the cat could catch the bird, that bird was sick already
uhhhh great understanding of predation lol
What kind of person does this? Why? Is talking to your neighbours like human beings that difficult?
I'm still amazed that him and his friend are communists lol, crazy that we have a Juche Gang comrade with that much of an audience
“please be considerate that people live below you, please don’t stomp, please don’t wrestle with your dog inside…”
I guess I'll play "devil advocate" here. With a lot of apartments the floor is so thin unless someone fucking walks on two layers of rugs with slippers on it's going to sound like "stomping". I once lived in a garbage studio with thin floors and if I ever needed to walk more than a foot in my place after 7pm my boomer ass neighbor would loose his shit because apparently me walking to the bathroom to take a leak at 830pm (I worked the late shift at my job) disturbed him from his delicate sleep and tried to get me evicted for it.
Maybe you're upstairs neighbor was actually being an ass, but I don't lie when I hear a lot of people complain about noise from apartments above them I can't help but assume some of them are oversensitive piss babies who probably shouldn't be living in multi-level housing if you can't deal with some occasional noise. But I'm one of those blessed fucks who could sleep through a nuclear strike so maybe I've privileged.
Okay by the length of the post alone I can tell you have an actual problem.
Guess I've just been on the opposite end of this which lead me to play "devil advocate".
I wouldn't shoot the cat, but I would set a trap & spray paint the tail so that it's marked if it shows up again. Outdoor cats absolutely ruin native ecosystems, and wreck biodiversity. Two things which are already happening in many places. Cats fundementally should not be outside (without supervision). I will die on this hill.
Does putting a bell on their collars help? Might be better than marking (or in addition)
Pretty sure that just drives the cat mad or gives it the big sad since it now sucks shit at all the things it likes to do
I live in a neighborhood where my neighbors shot and killed one of my friends month old kitten
I would dedicate the rest of my life to making sure they are never happy again in even the smallest way. Don't fuck with kitties.
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What the fuck tier of fucking psychosis do you need to be on to even conceive of that. Kittens are like one of those things universally beloved by all, it takes a true fucking psychopath to intentionally harm one.
It takes a sicko to write something like this, but only an absolute monster would do it on a piece of paper from the Harley-Davidson Museum
It's not the cats fault their owner's an idiot. Yes, outdoor cats are bad, but punish the jerk that let it outside, not the cat that doesn't understand.
The note is crazy but is it really that hard for you guys to not let your cat roam freely outside
