This guy "used to be" alt-right (i.e. a Hungarian Fascist), then it turns out he's still shit. :surprised-pika:
Original video instead of Hasan clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94_5mXsQTpA
Editing to say I really do hope that all the dunking he's getting on his YouTube posts convinces this guy to read a bit and finally understand why his fascist beliefs were bad in the first place, and why he's wrong.
WTYP lookin real cringe right now after all this shit the past week ngl
Nothing too bad, saying afghan war was a festival of warcrimes (which it was) :shrug-outta-hecks:
Fucking sucks because I like WTYP:sadness:
Couldn't even get through the episode with Adam Something.
I like WTYP too, and I'mma keep listening to them. 2/3 of the members are pretty based cough cough not tying to get sectarian. but I think like all of them are kinda on the hook for this tbh, it was cringe
I've listened to the gang long enough to trust that this is just an extremely embarrassing episode, but if they keep posting cringe they are going to lose subscriber.
oh yeah, I've been listening for like a year and a half, 2 years maybe? back since they were on the donoteat01 youtube channel. they're cool and comrades and so on, this was just kind of fucking cringe and I hope they address it. I'm not one for holding a single fuck up over somebody
Their comments critiquing the Soviet Union and stuff tend to be on point a lot of the time, they just have a really scoldy tone. Like chill out, Alice, and maybe let a year pass from that time you unironically wanted to be a cop before you get too judgey.
I do love the hosts and the pod generally though. (Edit: I referred to the pod hosts collectively as them, and I know trans women get referred as "them" sometimes by transphobes so I wanted to make it clear)
Oh sorry, my original comment had "I do love them and the pod generally though." Immediately after a comment specific to Alice, and I just didn't want that ambiguity there.
I just hope they realize what a mistake it was. Haven't really kept up with what they've said since (not really that into twitter or youtube comments).
Double you say? :stalin-gun-1::stalin-gun-2: :stalin-gun-1::stalin-gun-2:
That was the first ep I ever watched of them, I wanted to see what all the buzz was about and also because the ep was on my country which was pretty cool, but I feel like I picked the worst ep to start on lol. They do seem like funny folks and I don't mind criticisms of the SU in the slightest but there was some shit especially from Adam that just made me go hmmmmm.
Like half of his comments made me go "I think there's more to him than just socialist critical of the Soviet Union."
His video pissing and moaning about how ugly gonmulist architecture is was an immediate turn-off for me
No you see, it's OK that they platformed a fascist/apologist without criticizing him, because they're... a leftist podcast or something.
they didn't just platform him, Liam spent half the episode agreeing with him lmao
yeah I mean there's being critical and dunking on the USSR, and then there's like 'that time my man spent 2 hours agreeing with a fascist about le tankies'. usually I just eye roll at Liam, but like the context of this is just :cringe:
Chomsky is also an anarchist, and he doesn't do the braindead "I will agree with fascists and imperialists about socialist states on every point because states are bad" thing.
there are a lot of good anarchist comrades. I don't wanna come off as somebody who hates anarchists. I have respect for comrades of all tendencies
anprims are reactionaries, they don't even claim to be communists. trots have posted a lot of cringe over the years, but if you're a British leftist like I am you work with trots or you're in a very fuckin empty room, like ALL big unions here are trot af
Damn, it's too bad no one ever wrote about primitive communism. :monke-beepboop:
If Against His-Story! Against Leviathan! doesn't change the way you conceive of history and power, I dunno what will. 🤷
Chomsky calls himself libertarian socialist and he does service imperialist propaganda like that from time to time.
The only Marxist state I’ve known Chomsky to hold a respectable stance on is Cuba
There's also, uh, that one "socialist" state :my-hero:
If you look at the recent posts about him on here, he's basically been defending the Nazis to own the USSR.
:this: Double-genocide theory is literally a form of Holocaust denial, except it's socially acceptable because all the shitlibs engage in it. It's also an actual fascist talking point, straight out of Nazi propaganda.
Minimizing Nazis by favorably comparing them to USSR. Ignoring that Hungary was an Axis power during WW2. Ignoring that western leaders basically all supported fascism and claiming that they simply rejected USSR methods. Agreeing with western powers not wanting to work with Stalin before WW2 (against fascism lmao). All from the single post.
Then there was the WTYP episode where he went all calipers and said the Russians were bad because enlightenment thinking didn't reach them.
Basically, being against the USSR during WW2 de-facto make you at least a fascist sympathizer, which is the same thing as being a fascist.
But he did say that communists/soviets were just red nazis, and whenever I’ve encountered people who say that they eventually reveal themselves to be racist
It's actually amazing how consistent it is. That was why I posted this - this dude is (unsurprisingly) a "former" fascist, who clearly hasn't let go of all his "previous" opinions.
State and Rev would be better with slides. Call me a revisionist if you must.
We need a shorter word for revisionist so that rolls off the tongue as well as "ok boomer"
Idk, I feel it was apt. Some podcasts are good, but do verge on being an audiobook for the host's unpublished book if that makes any sense
The Red Menace podcast is what got me started reading Mao. The way they explained On Contradiction and On Practice literally unlocked something in my brain.
I still haven't figured out what that podcast is about. I listened to a three hour one about a bridge but they never talked about the bridge. That they have posted cringe makes me glad I never figured it out.
Agreed, on both counts. Sometimes I feel like certain members of the cast are being "lulz so quirky" and intentionally derail it.
Stopped listening to it a while ago because it got so boring with the filler
it's a podcast about engineering disasters, with slides
Podcasting about engineering disasters works great on paper, but in practice it's 90% random stuff.
I used to do podcasts on my way to work, but I haven't commuted in so long that I stopped listening to all of em. I should just do what you do and half-listen while working.
I have to type words and it makes it hard to pay attention. Though like you said, I don't need to hear it all.
Listening while cooking dinner is a fantastic idea! Thank you for that :)
Yesterday, I had one of those conversations you hope you'll never have to have in your life. One of my friends asked me what I think about Vaush.
I had to explain all the reasons why this guy sucks. I even linked him to the hexbear masterpost. But before he mentioned Vaush, he mentioned this guy named Adam. I didn't spend any time on Adam, but I know he also listens to Hasan so I basically told him, both of these guys are just twitch stream pretend revolutionaries who don't do a god damn thing, but at least Hasan isn't known for getting into shouting matches with well known teachers of Marxism and explaining to them why the US was justified in invading their countries. I don't listen to Hasan much at all personally, but I am glad he did this.
on the rhetoric and theory side, Hasan's alright. the guy is a millionaire LARPer play revolutionary who will never get his hands dirty, because he never has to. but he does do al alright job explaining the news, both IRL and online shit, and is generally an ok source to get into leftism from
He at least donates money and is outwardly not delusional about "non authoritarian communism" (ie he understands that at least to begin with the state must be strong). I just wish he'd tell his viewers to go and do something useful instead of parasocially watching him for hours a day.
Felix has lost this status due to his anti-maak gym rant
Whoever's most recent bad take is oldest is the least bad g*mer, I don't make the rules.
Head to body size ratio is also taken into account.
IIRC didn't he say there's no evidence for genocide but if it's mass detention it's bad? Don't watch him much, maybe he's had a bad take that's more recent
Hungarian fascist? :khrushchev-fist: send in the :t34: :t34: :t34:
It figures. The biggest difference between left and right people making anti communist talking points is just that the right wingers will go to the logical conclusion and start condemning the black liberation groups too. Whereas even someone like contra still has to pretend to agree with Huey P Newton even while advocating against his ideology.
Honestly this has been funny as fuck to me. I remember when somebody posted one of his videos here and I watched it, and thought "oh, this is like a shittier version of donoteat by a guy with a lame accent", also he kept taking weird potshots at various countries for supposed "totalitarian/ authoritarian/ autocratic" qualities, which signaled shitlib/ left anti-com tendencies and led me to dismiss him outright (especially using these terms so loosely and interchangeably, suggesting the lack of clear thinking typical to that sort).
Then all of this over the following days, lol.
Sucks to have yet another youtube dipshit spreading anti-communist nonsense though.
EDIT: I'll try to be needlessly positive and wish him the best in learning more history and getting out of the "oh no authoritarian tankie red fascist" hysteria that traps so many overly-online leftists.
Gotta distinguish between baby leftists having a personal journey and a YouTuber trying to lecture people with his platform, though. The latter is both harmful and extraordinarily arrogant.
That room to learn doesn't matter when the person is actively preventing others from learning and is just serving to support fascist ideology and open lies with the veneer of "not" being a fascist
Overall yeah, his influence on others outweighs his personal journey of radicalization (or not). I'm hoping he'll stop that shit and do better, but more likely he'll double down because left-anti-communism is an increasingly saleable aesthetic that serves the status-quo quite well.
:wojak-nooo: WHY DO I KEEP GETTING ALL THIS FASCISM IN MY ANTICOMMUNISM?????
But really. It doesn't strike me as something which should be taken for granted. From a communist perspective, it seems lazy as hell to reduce all your adversaries to fascists. But it has happened so many times that it's basically a rule.
Fascism is a historical and material outgrowth of capitalism, in defense against communism. If you think about it from that perspective, it's utterly unsurprising that liberals tend to support it.
Oh those people absolutely. Anyone who says the Communists were worse than the Nazis is a fucking Nazi. I'm commenting more on how I've never even seen an anticommunist forum that wasn't fascist. You'd imagine there'd be some genuine Liberal anticommunist institutions which are above collaborating with fascists, but I have never seen one.
You’d imagine there’d be some genuine Liberal anticommunist institutions which are above collaborating with fascists, but I have never seen one.
Ever since fascism existed, this has never been the case. It's because fascism mainly just exists to serve liberalism (i.e. protect capital from threats). See the recent post on here about British Intelligence funding Mussolini for another shining example of this.
There are too many examples. It is like the Spongebob diaper meme.
Exactly. Liberalism literally creates fascism, it's just their own beast that occasionally gets off the leash.
Exactly this. What happened to the "12 nazis at a table of 13 people means 13 nazis at a table" adage? If you regurgitate anticommunist lies and essentially give justifications for and minimize the holocaust and Lebensraum, then you are as much a fascist as a person who identifies as such. a self-conscious fascist is not as effective at doing the work of fascism in many contexts, as a liberal anticommunist who gives a veneer of respectability. It was not through their own might, but the open support of the SPD that the Nazis came to power
Laugh, but it happened to a huge number of people.
Gamergate was the most successful propaganda campaign in modern history.
Yeah, not the War on Terror, the Invasion of Iraq, the entire democratic party during and after Obama, MAGA, QAnnon, Blue MAGA...It was the super online video game thing that made the news for a bit
If your understanding of Gamergate is “a super online video game thing that made the news for a bit” you must not know much about it.
What you think happened to the literally hundreds of thousands of people who were obsessed with gamergate after it went out of the news?
It successfully pulled a huge portion of my generation into right wing politics.
The_Donald on reddit had massive user overlap with places like Kotaku In Action. Without Gamergate, MAGA and Qanon would look completely different.
And the War On Terror and the invasion of Iraq only barely needed a propaganda campaign, because America was already out for blood after 9/11.
Maybe don't cite subreddit overlap if you want to show something isn't super online.
The left desperately needs to get out of the mindset that online things do not matter. Fascism today has not been an offline movement, it has been an online movement, literally all of it except the Trump rallies and clashed with Proud Boys has been online.
It being "super online" is irrelevant to the enormous impact it has very clearly had.
The shit that happens on Reddit spreads everywhere else. Even when people don't know about specific people and the timeline of events, people still pickup on the overall theme. How do you think the term "sjw" got so widespread?
You were called a PC fascist or something beforehand. Changing terminology doesn't mean a new paradigm has been introduced.
Donald Trump wasn't president of the internet.
Reddit has something like 400 million active users. Internet communities (this one excepted) and hermetically sealed spaces with no connection to the outside world.
Bob Dole was appointed president of the internet. He invented it.
It was a very successful propaganda campaign, but nowhere near the most successful.
I would be willing to amend my statement to "one of the most successful" but maintain that it's totally near the top.
This guy “used to be” alt-right
Are you people listening to yourself? Words have meanings for the love of god. Adam Something is a lib who understands the flaws of capitalism, it baffles me that you guys are so desperate to see fascists everywhere that you type shit like this.
Real people, in the real world, are complicated. Our beliefs change, and are often incoherent. Give the guy time to get radicalized properly before you call him a fascist, this post is like a fucking parody of the left.
You realize the reason people are shiting on him is because he said the USSR was worse than the Nazis and would've been a fourth Axis power? You don't need to read theory or be radicalized to realize that the people who beat the Nazis are probably not worse than the Nazis, actually
you're insane if you think people like him do more harm than good for the left
libs like contrapoints, john oliver and him are those who lead people down the radicalization pipeline, go and try to convert a lib by telling them how the DPRK is actually good, see how that goes
edit: nevertheless, yes, he can and should be criticized for those dumb viewpoints, but this post is not doing that lol
I'm sure you were born as a radical anarcho Maoist...
Every person I know that's an AES-defending communist started with libshit like contra and Oliver. They are trash, but they're a good entry point. I myself found Hakim because youtube recommended him after I watched a lot of libtube videos.
We can whine about them here, but I find it very unproductive. Fact is that getting someone into full communism is a layered process, and getting people to realize their system ain't so perfect is the first step, a step which these libs do pretty well. And at the end of the day, I'd take a Hassan or Contra lib over a gamer-slipping-right proto-fascist.
Nobody here is a well-known YouTuber spreading horseshit. Random comrades can have every dumbass idea they want, it'll have a small reach. Platformed reactionaries serve as propagandists.
I was responding regarding the libshit, not the reactionary. I agree with you on that.
People love to throw "maoist" around almost like its a joke, casual sectarianism. If you want to make a joke about some people absurdly lefty and niche, call them a Maoist or a Hoxhaist. They are just joke wacky ideologies to some people
You realize you are breaking the no sectarianism rule? Also Maoism includes the Naxalites and CPP. I'd say they deserve more respect than any of us here posting on a forum
No CPP as in the Philippines. Joma Sison is not an ultra, and I would hope you are not saying the NPA is bad. Sison __Literally _ wrote the book on MLM. Gonzalo can fuck himself, don't stroke his ego in death by giving him reign over the term and ideology http://www.bannedthought.net/Philippines/CPP/Sison/Sison-OnThePhilosophyOfMarxism-Leninism-Maoism-OCR.pdf Also the Naxalites are also MLMs. This was a conversation here the other day, MLM being just "ultra left Gonzaloism" is only the stance that the shining path themselves believe. Don't flatter them, nor decide that the Naxalites own ideology is not theirs but that they rather wholly fit into a box you're comfortable with. It's like people hit the wall of "MLM is shining path" and "Naxalites are good" and rely on reducing their movement to just Mao Zedong Thought like post-Mao China.
Let them speak for themselves per their 2004 Party Programme upon the merger of the previous Marxist-Leninist People's War Group (PWG) and then Maoist Communist Center of India (MCCI) which was Maoist (protracted people's war all that) with the new organization being Marxist-Leninist-Maoist. So evidentially they don't agree with the idea that it is at odds with MZT or just means Gonzaloism. http://www.bannedthought.net/India/CPI-Maoist-Docs/Founding/Programme-pamphlet.pdf
This ideology and culture will be guided by the great ideology of the proletariat, that is, Marxism-Leninism-Maoism. This culture will express its international solidarity with the on-going revolutionary struggles for national liberation, democracy and socialism all over the world by uniting with them in their fight for people’s democratic and socialist culture. It will defeat all types of revisionist ideology and hold high the red banner of the most scientific and developed ideology of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism.
A strong revolutionary party based on Marxism-Leninism-Maoism as its guiding ideological basis in all matters; that is well-disciplined and built up through revolutionary style and method; that is based on democratic centralism; that links the theory with practice; practises criticism and self-criticism; is closely integrated with the masses and relies firmly upon them; and stands firmly on the class line, mass line and armed struggle.
I'm not saying you have to be an MLM, but don't just change what the Naxalites are and consider themselves to be in order to make them mesh with an essentialist view. I think its fair to regard them as following what they espouse to follow, instead of saying they just follow what you personally find better. But hey I guess the Naxalites have a "bad ideology" and supporting them is
trying to be an enlightened pluralist about it is silly. You don’t do Scientific Socialism any favors by acting like every ideology is just as good as every other,
What was that thing Mao said about investigation? Seriously don't trust the wikipedia tab for "ideology" and leave it at that, and don't do the thing people do to the Zapatistas when they try to mold them into fitting with what is more comfortable for their tendency, at the expense of the actual theory and their actuals. Same site has translations for more CPI-Maoist texts though some I cannot link as they are word docs. http://www.bannedthought.net/India/CPI-Maoist-Docs/#Founding_Documents
Here is their text outlining Marxism-leninism_Maoism and why they follow it, how they define it. You don't have to agree, it's not my tendency either; but don't just lie and pretend they are not MLM just so you can say you like them without contradicting your absolutist stance. It is literally just not the case, and being ignorant about it is kinda worse than supposedly being an "enlightened pluralist", cause I wouldn't call reading a group's own constitution "acting like every ideology is just as good as every other" http://www.bannedthought.net/India/CPI-Maoist-Docs/Founding/MLM-pamphlet.pdf
:mao-aggro-shining: follow Mao Zedong Thought:
No investigation, no right to speak
we can add the communist party(ies) of Nepal to the list of cool and good maoists, though they re in power already somewhat
they were done so dirty by the libs, who just keep praising eco fascism instead of liberation because when you scratch them, as usual, a fash bleeds
I had hoped "anarcho maoist" made it obvious that it wasn't a real assertion of their beliefs, but oh well.
Yeah I got that, but that's my point. Maoism is always the go to for absurd joke ideologies. The joke is at the expense of anarchists and maoists
I see. My apologies, I didn't mean it that way but I can see why it would come across like that. I was just trying to come up with the most radical ideology to illustrate my point.
Personally I lean more towards the maoists, but I definitely didn't mean to insult either group. I will be more careful.
I appreciate your understanding. This place has much better people than Reddit.
you’re insane if you think people like him do more harm than good for the left
Privileged Western leftist moment.
Being a bloodthirsty reactionary is bad, actually.
General support for NATO and apologetics for militarized Ukrainian nationalists.
Or, alternately, acknowledge that a guy who was a short time ago a fascist has maybe not shed all of those viewpoints and should be criticized for it.
Oh spare me, this post is 100% written in bad faith. You can acknowledge that he has some shit anticommunist views left over without effectively accusing him of actually still being alt-right.
Accusations of him still being alt-right based on pro-nazi comments he made in regard to the Soviet Union does not magically make said accusation “bad faith” ironically your comment is the definition of bad faith sense you think people are just dogpiling him for not being leftist enough and not for the fascist apologia he’s spit out the last few days
I owe nothing to someone using their large platform to repeat Nazi propaganda, and it's perfectly reasonable to imply the former Hungarian alt-righter repeating WW2 era Nazi propaganda might not be totally "former" after all.
He didn't even say the USSR was bad, the said they were worse than the Nazis. That is just Holocaust denial, could've come straight from Goebbels.
I would agree with you if he didn't deliberately say that it was worse under the USSR than it was under the Nazis. That's just holocaust denial, plain and simple.
desperate to see fascists everywhere
I don't know if you live in the US(west) or if I've gone completely batshit insane on 'They Live' goggles but, yes, there's fash everywhere.
There's the insidious legacy and hegemony of large components of fascism everywhere and we can call them fash as shorthand because who's going to stop us?
The guy is a Hungarian taken in by literal Nazi apologia that compares them favorably to the Soviets.
And have you tried living in Eastern Europe? This is pretty much the only mainstream narrative. In a lot of places, especially if you are under 40-50 you will get ridiculed or bullied for being even slightly on the left. In a lot of these places even the left parties are led by conservative reactionaries. And there are still plenty people who have first or second hand experience of the collapse of socialism, and that often means assigning the flaws of the socialist regimes to socialism itself. In these places there is no viable large ideological alternative to neoliberalism and fascism. And its not like the Soviets were angels or something anyway.
To me Adam Something sounds like a pretty typical Eastern European leftie, one that understands there were a lot of fucked up things in the USSR and its satellites, and that has also perhaps fallen for some propaganda, because given everything else it sounds plausible.
I have not tried living on Eastern Europe and count my lucky stars for it because the reactionary organization and violence there is so much stronger and overt. Like being in chud country 24/7 only the chuds don't even pretend to be anti-Nazi.
Another fun tendency is to blame the Soviets/socialism for the economic collapse and deprivation created literally and explicitly by liberalization in the '90s. They use all these tortured stories about Soviet cultures / state apparatuses being naturally mob boss oligarchical, saying shit that's borderline Asiatic hordes racism.
And don't get me started on their views and actions towards Roma.
With that said, 70%+ of generations that were adults in the 90s say things were better under the Soviet System and have positive views of socialism, so these tendencies do vary with that generational divide. There were a lot of communists who just wanted a few reforms and more independence, not the liberalization that was forced on them.
Its a little more complicated than the common internet arguments make it out to be. For one libertarians and the like love parroting the thing about the economic collapse, and western lefties love parroting the retort that it was the liberalization that messed things up, where truth is that there were very deep issues in the system, that liberalization only exasperated and turned into a disaster. So when a lot of people say that things were better before the 90s, they are absolutely correct. But they also do not mean that things were good, or that things weren't headed for an economic crisis anyway (which arguably would have been much milder had the privatization and embrace of capitalism happened). Furthermore, a lot of the "it was better back then" sentiment is also fueled by social conservatism, because a part of the "it was better" includes that there were no gays, no political correctness, women knew their place and you could be freely racist. You have the boomer chuds, who want the return to the Soviet system, because it means not having pussy western values, and basically being fascist with a red coat on, and you have the younger chuds, who are opposed to the Soviet system, cause they want some bullshit libertarian fascism they think is good. I know these people. I grew up with them and was surrounded by them.
Soviets being worse than Nazi's is pretty much the only mainstream narrative.
The one pushed by the state and formal education maybe but fact is there are dozens of millions of people in Eastern Europe with actively positive experience and outlook of the pre collapse and USSR years , something thats reflected in every single research and poll at every time. So we shouldnt act like positive experiences, narratives and anecdotes are readily and easily available and prevalent among normal people isnt a thing in the USSR and that people who repeat the fascist mainstream narrative of "as bad and worse than Nazis" havent been exposed many times in opinions and narratives against it by people that lived under the USSR. Hell im in Greece and im literally exposed to those more positive than negative narratives by older hungarians, ukranians, georgians, russians ,ex-yugoslavians i meet (many of whom actualy live in their countries) pretty consistently. He knows these experiences of millions of people everywhere including his country but he dismisses them and choses to buy the both sides or even worse narrative
So, the soviets being worse than nazis I think, usually focuses on the time around Stalin and around WWII, because the Red Army werent any better than the Nazis arguably. Neither were of course the Allies. We are talking about a brutal world war, where human rights werent exactly respected.
In addition to this, as I mentioned in my other post, we should examine these positive experiences of pre-collapse USSR, and seek to understand them better. Because, sure one big part was social security, healthcare, education and the like. But other parts are absolutely fueled by reactionary conservatism about the time when the eurogays werent spreading their gender ideology. On a side note, an interesting Ive noticed among some people talking about the times back then is that things that are relatively normal now are stated as a downside of socialism back then, without them realizing that this same bad thing is even worse now, or things that if you think a little deeper are actually kinda good are stated as bad.
because the Red Army werent any better than the Nazis arguably. Neither were of course the Allies.
Actually, only one of those three factions engaged in an industrial-scale genocide. The war crimes committed by the allies (including the USSR) are not arguably the same as what the Nazis did. The people who liberated the concentration camps are very different from the ones who built them.
Big oof on my side in that regard. Completely agree, that the Nazis were bent on extermination and genocide. What I was trying to say is that the red army did engage in war crimes, as did every other army. Of course it's not on the scale of what the Nazis did, but it still is warcrimes. Which is inevitable when there is such a war, but still should be condemned regardless.
because the Red Army werent any better than the Nazis arguably. Neither were of course the Allies.
Of course they were are you fucking serious right now ?
Did the red army burn tens of thousands of villages many times with the people in it alive? Did it engage in rounding up millions of jews, Roma's and undesirables for industrial genocide? Did the red army engage in an aggressive genocidal war killing and starving tens of millions of civillians AS A POLICY ?
Of course the Red Army and the Allies engaged in civilian violence and rapes and war crimes through WW2. But saying "they arent any better" than the Nazi's is disgusting. Even the worst thing the red army did, the mass rapes in Germany and Berlin, are eclipsed by orders and orders of maginitude and scale by the equivalent the Nazi army did marching though eastern Europe and which it self doesnt register in the top of their attrocities.Its even disgusting to the millions of Jews the red army went out of its way and too hundreds of thousands of additional losses in order to evacuate from eastern Europe
Its not in the same stratosphere and its a logic that would lump any army ever as no better than the Nazi's .Everyone in WW1 ? As bad as Nazi army. The Vietcong and PLA in China .As bad as Nazis .
I dont care that its the "opinion of a lot that from that era" considering a lot of polland ,Hungary and countries that these views are primarily found had civilian populations filled to the brim with collaborators that cared little about the millions Nazi's burned and killed in their own country as long it was jews, romas or other eastern Europeans .
Engaging with it an adopting it as an "arguable" truth is in itself ahistorical and nazi apologia and honestly you should delete it or reword it cause there is a danger you get a justfiable for that opinion banned tho i dont believe you really mean it that way
In addition to this, as I mentioned in my other post, we should examine these positive experiences of pre-collapse USSR, and seek to understand them better. Because, sure one big part was social security, healthcare, education and the like. But other parts are absolutely fueled by reactionary conservatism about the time when the eurogays werent spreading their gender ideology. On a side note, an interesting Ive noticed among some people talking about the times back then is that things that are relatively normal now are stated as a downside of socialism back then, without them realizing that this same bad thing is even worse now, or things that if you think a little deeper are actually kinda good are stated as bad.
Actualy we do have data. Massive research for reasons behind the positive opinions. Nothing about "the gays and lgbts" as an important reason . The most reactionary big reason is usualy the one based on "we had a grand global standing and power" which is bad and nationalistic at face value but also can be interpreted in different ways for different people. Economic reasons, stability reasons, positive outlook for the future and optimism, people being more kinda and community spirit being stronger are the other massive ones. The only non fringe "socialy conservative" reason is usualy regarding the rise of drugs ,alcoholism and prostitution which seeing the form that surge took after the collapse is quite justifiable to see a reaction against those things from their POV
Agreed with your point about the armies. Still it sits wrong with me comparing war crimes with war crimes. Yes, Nazis are absolutely horrible, but that doesn't make the war crimes on the other side any good in any way.
As for the social part - I know it sounds stupid to say it on the internet, and to a person I've never met irl, but believe me, the social conservatism is absolutely a factor. It is what lies behind stuff like people lamenting community spirit, positive outlook on the future and the like. The gays and the LGBT is just the most visible part on a general outlook of tolerance towards minorities, women's rights and so on seen as western influence, as part of capitalism that ruined this great power, and as something to be rolled back and reversed And these countries were and are very socially conservative. And likely will be, unfortunately.
Honestly, my experience growing up in one of these countries, talking to people, reading textbooks from the Soviet era, etc. is the major source of my belief that when we fight for socialism we have to absolutely fight for ending racism, discrimination and so on in addition to fixing the economic base. You can absolutely have reactionary and conservative communism and that is something we should strive to prevent.
Fascists are also capable of understanding the flaws of capitalism, you’re refrain makes no sense
Getting taken in by such charlatans and admitting it.
Okay cool, thanks for sharing. Sucks that it happened but glad you're out.
Continuing to parrot reactionary shit without thinking about it but now with a platform.
You're just a different flavor of fascist, fuck off.
i have no idea who this adam is so i'm gonna pretend it's that guy from cum town who shits his pants a lot
"Anti-tankie leftists" in the 1930s wondering why the fascists are winning. :who-did-this:
"Anti-tankie leftists" in the 2030s...
I sincerely do as well. Maybe the amount of being shit on he's getting on YouTube will convince him to actually read before speaking, and help him escape a lot of these fash thought patterns.
What exactly are yall mad about? He's clearly not a nazi anymore and my first introduction to him was through a positive posting on this site.
also
hasan
He may not be but making statements equating Nazi Germany and the USSR should be beyond the pale (or at least entirely wrong) for anyone left of a fascist.
Sadly a lot of people need their hands held towards that point of view, like a lot of historical facts
He's transitioned from alt-right proto-Nazi to typical Western left anti-communist spreading literal Nazi propaganda because he didn't actually check the reasons the was fash in the first place.
Fuck hasan, he's annoying
But fuck Adam something 100 times more
