Every site is trying to pull a Bonzai Buddy now.

"We need all your info for advertising, not you can't opt out unless you make an account and give us your email. Oops, looks like I hid the opt-out under a subheader. Amazon is now profiling you."

WE USED TO CALL THAT SHIT A VIRUS.

ITS EVERY. FUCKING. WEBSITE. NOW

"Hi I'm going to block this entire site until you give me your info, this is very cool and normal."

Capitalism ruined the internet. The whole thing is malware now.

  • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
    ·
    11 months ago

    I miss the internet. I miss personally maintained websites, bulletin board forums, link pages, sprite comics whatever. It was sooooo much more fun. There was new stuff everywhere and in infinite variety. Now it's instagram

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
      ·
      11 months ago

      It's so sad and disgusting. And the old internet, if it's not gone, is impossible to find anymore. SEO has buried everything. : (

      • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
        ·
        11 months ago

        It's such a bummer. Whenever I'm bored with an internet connection it reminds me of that. It used to be I'd think of something I don't know, Google it and look at all the pages different people made on the subject, whatever it may be from quicksand to medabots, you could find like a dozen at minimum websites made by just like...people who liked thst shit enough to make a website. They all had their style and voice. It felt truly limitless and like there was alway something out there waiting that you'd really be able to dig into.

        • Dessa [she/her]
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          11 months ago

          Insee vestiges now ang again for s popular prior to 2014 or so. If I google pokemon, I get Serebii and Bulbapedia and PokemonDB. And it's an absolute delight! I googe lile Zelda TotK and I get game8, gamewith, IGN, which I get for almost every game. And those sites are fucking garbage that have to insert 40 paragraphs before they answer your question.

          "Whats the fastest way to grind coins" for a game will get you results about how useful coins are, what you can buy with coins, why you might want to grind coins, other currencies in the game, then 3 sentences in the middle somewhere that actually answer the question.

          • SoyViking [he/him]
            ·
            11 months ago

            Recipes are also being completely wrecked by SEO and monetisation garbage. If I want a recipe for chocolate cake I have to scroll through page after page of irrelevant text. And it's not a gastronomical essay, which is an enjoyable literary genre in its own right, no it is all pointless filler text that only exists as a place to put keywords for search engines and to have something to put between the ads.

            • carpoftruth [any, any]
              ·
              11 months ago

              Oh you want a recipe for cookies? Let me tell you about how using agave syrup instead of sugar cured my sister in law's covid

            • Dessa [she/her]
              ·
              11 months ago

              Sometimes, if you're lucky, it's just the recipe broken down with advice for ingredients and the like.

        • Philosoraptor [he/him, comrade/them]
          ·
          11 months ago

          Remember how cool Stumbleupon was in the beginning, when it was all that kind of shit? Hit a button and get a random website that some random person made on like the evolution of horse manes or some shit. Then, like everything good, it got bought up by some megacorp and started redirecting to sponsored content.

          • iridaniotter [she/her]
            ·
            11 months ago

            They search smaller and/or lesser known websites. The last one specifically searches for blogs. If you have a query, they're not so good. But if you want to learn about a topic, they can be useful.

    • ReadFanon [any, any]
      ·
      11 months ago

      What we're seeing is the Wal-Martification inherent to capitalism.

      I don't mean this to offend but your instinct here, which is entirely relatable, is paralleled by the people whose political inclination is to try and wind back the clock to the 1950s or the Wild West or "before corporatism" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean) etc.

      Obviously the huge distinction here is that you haven't crafted your entire political analysis based on achieving a return to what was and you've accurately identified the political and economic forces at play that have caused things to develop in this way and you have a viable solution for the problem you've diagnosed. On the other hand, those groups have none.

      The way that individual production and small-scale local production with small marketplaces that brought together groups with similar interests and some larger agora-like regional hubs gradually turned into increasingly larger corporate entities that vacuumed up all the small production, distribution, and exchange until all we're left with is tiny little farmer's markets existing within the margins between massive operations like Amazon, Wal-Mart, Costco etc. that are pretty much unavoidable today is nearly a 1:1 analogy for how the internet started and how it's going, except in classic internet fashion of course this was done as a speedrun.

  • supafuzz [comrade/them]
    ·
    11 months ago

    Thank God I can come home to all my dear bots and feds here at chapo dot chat

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
        ·
        11 months ago

        Today I was informed that it's tankies, not neoliberals, who want to abandon the ROC, and the neolibs definitely won't pull out of Taiwan the instant the US has chip parity. Gosh durned tankies.

        • hotcouchguy [he/him]
          ·
          11 months ago

          But there's an interesting question: will the US ever actually achieve chip parity, or will the industry just build some potempkin factory that's always 5 years away from completion so they can keep milking the subsidies indefinitely?

          • collapse_already@lemmy.ml
            ·
            11 months ago

            "The factory totally would have worked, but we built it in Arizona and then Lake Mead dried up and semiconductor manufacturing needs lots of water. " Who could have predicted that? (Ignore those environmentalist nut jobs screaming about climate change and your eyes that could see the bathtub ring around the lake where the water level used to be long before the semiconductor plant was started.)

      • supafuzz [comrade/them]
        ·
        11 months ago

        from each according to his ability wink wink am I getting the lingo right

    • SkeletorJesus [he/him]
      ·
      11 months ago

      I feel safe on this website. I know there's no point to all of you being feds because they already have microphones in my walls.

      • sooper_dooper_roofer [none/use name]
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        edit-2
        11 months ago

        This is related to a bigger problem, which is that you can't really even trust newer communities to even have real people anymore.

        Hexbear/Chapo.chat was kinda okay because it came about around 2020? I think? Which was still before AI became massive

        but 4 years of AI evolution is huge, and I think that in another 3 years' time it'll be impossible to know if literally anything on the internet is even real, with the exception of stuff that's dated to the "before-fore times"

        The fake pictures and fake text are already extremely realistic, and videos should reach the same point in a few years time

        • DragonBallZinn [he/him]
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          11 months ago

          It's already begun so much.

          I shit you not I've been using chatGPT to handle EVERYTHING "professional". I figured that since porky is such a perfectionist, I'll just use chatGPT to fake a whole bunch of shit: cover letters, resumes, interview prep, work emails where I fake being a complete yes-man just so I can get hired and keep my job. ChatGPT will do all the buttering up for me, and I hope to learn how to play along to find out ways on how to trick anyone into giving me a raise or even hire me.

  • invo_rt [he/him]
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    11 months ago

    What percentage of processing power is used just to run tracking cookies, ads, and other pop-up bullshit. God help you if you're on limited mobile data when every website wants to auto-load video ads.

    Definitely ThE mOsT rAtIoNaL sYsTeM

    • MaoTheLawn [any, any]
      ·
      11 months ago

      what about when the advert will load but the content will not

      whoever made that possible should be placed in the advertisement torture nexus

      microchip on brain loaded with petabytes of adverts

  • Jobasha [comrade/them]
    ·
    11 months ago

    This reminds me of a particularly cursed enshittification dream I had where I was in a bar restroom and the soap dispenser was blocked unless you downloaded their app and created an account.

      • Orcocracy [comrade/them]
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        edit-2
        11 months ago

        Too late, it’s real. I tried to use a public toilet in Sweden once with QR code payment lock on the door. I couldn’t get the fucking thing to work while I was in the middle of doing the gotta go dance so I ran up the street and found another public toilet at a place that still had an actual human person taking coins.

          • Gosplan14_the_Third [none/use name]
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            11 months ago

            Yeah. It's hard to find one where you don't pay, and they tend to be nasty or uncomfortable for other reasons (men really need to learn to sit down for cleanliness' sake smh + public drunkness being allowed means being shitfaced and all that entails is also allowed) - in Germany there are toilets on most trains and highway parking lots (not truck stops/gas stations!)

            A company called Sanifair has a de facto monopoly on public toilets and they want as much as 1€ per visit.

            Not sure if true, but the reason why the USA doesn't have paid ones is an organized vandalism campaign against them in the 1970s according to something I once read.

            • SkingradGuard [he/him, comrade/them]
              ·
              11 months ago

              Well I'm not in the USA, just living in another Angloid country.

              I mean yeah you're sort of right, it's a gamble finding clean public toilets because it's up to the city/town's council to invest in constant cleaning from their budget. The city near me where I work has their main public toilets very well looked after, so I'm used to the high standard.

            • Wheaties [she/her]
              ·
              11 months ago

              Sitting to pee is great. Sitting to pee means i get to sit more.

            • ElGosso [he/him]
              ·
              11 months ago

              I thought it was a lobbying campaign by two college students

          • SoyViking [he/him]
            ·
            11 months ago

            That really depends on the country. In Denmark you wouldn't expect to have to pay, although a few places charge people. Often this is done more as an anti-homeless thing than as a revenue generation thing.

            In Germany you should expect to pay for a public toilet visit. Enforcement varies, from just a dish of coins with a sign urging you to "tip" the cleaning staff, over a grumpy looking lady sitting next to the dish, shaming you with her eyes to leave a "tip", over said lady only handing you the key to the restroom after you've paid her to having actual turnstiles preventing freeloaders from relieving themselves. As far as I understand this tipping culture exists as a result of the cleaning staff being paid dogshit wages so you should absolutely leave a tip if you're able to.

            I can't remember how it is in Sweden but I don't remember it as being as pervasive as in Germany.

            • volcel_olive_oil [he/him]
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              edit-2
              11 months ago

              Sweden is a cashless society with coin-operated public toilets :D

              (hospitals and schools are where you will find free toilets here)

    • DragonBallZinn [he/him]
      ·
      11 months ago

      I visited a cousin recently and he took me to his gym for a workout, and according to him they replaced half the mechanical weights with DIGITAL WEIGHTS. That you need a special band AND an account for. Because why? Novelty? It's not like anyone reads the spam emails we're all forced to slog through to even participate in society.

      a-guy

  • davel [he/him]
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    edit-2
    11 months ago

    It’s not that bad for me, but then I’ve got eight finely tuned anti-bullshit browser extensions and a DNS sinkhole. No one should have to construct a whole elaborate tower defense like this just to get on the web.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
      ·
      11 months ago

      eight finely tuned anti-bullshit browser extensions

      Drop your mixtape bro.

      • Krause [he/him]@lemmygrad.ml
        ·
        11 months ago

        https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adnauseam/ or https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin/ blocks ads

        https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/behind_the_overlay/ gives you a universal button that closes popups

        https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/i-dont-care-about-cookies/ removes cookie banners/popups

        https://gitlab.com/magnolia1234/bypass-paywalls-chrome-clean removes paywalls on news sites

        https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/view-page-archive/ shows you webpage archives

      • davel [he/him]
        ·
        11 months ago
        • https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock
        • https://gitlab.com/magnolia1234/bypass-paywalls-firefox-clean
        • https://github.com/kkapsner/CanvasBlocker/
        • https://decentraleyes.org/
        • https://github.com/mozilla/multi-account-containers
        • https://github.com/stoically/temporary-containers
        • https://docs.clearurls.xyz/
        • https://noscript.net/
        • https://www.daniel.priv.no/web-extensions/amp2html.html
        • https://nextdns.io/
    • invo_rt [he/him]
      ·
      11 months ago

      DNS sinkhole

      Hell yeah, comrade. I'm running a IDS along with a sinkhole myself.

      programming-communism

      • davel [he/him]
        ·
        11 months ago

        These days I seldom enable NoScript. It’s useful on rare occasions. Once upon a time I tried working with it from a block-by-default starting position, but eventually the tediousness of managing the filters wore me down.

  • Diputs [he/him, comrade/them]
    ·
    11 months ago

    I personally find that the most tragic thing about the internet is how if you looked at the way it was made you'd almost think it was the product of a socialist state. It is a product of intensive collaboration between different researchers, fully subsidized by the state every step of the way and the end result effectively given away for free to the public. Now it is rendered a wasteland, carved up and privatized, and with LLMs and image generators it can only get worse as everything gets filled up with computer generated slop.

    However, let's take a moment to think about how much good such technology could do if it was subservient to the needs of a socialist state, search engines that actually give you what you want, central planning networks with unparalleled efficiency, social media that prevents the reproduction of reactionary thought, a free, fully organized and easy to access centralized digital library of all academic resources. I can't help but be hopeful for whatever society comes out of this capitalist hell.

    • CptKrkIsClmbngThMntn [any]
      ·
      11 months ago

      I think this is a very common pattern. Some new social or technological space opens up that allows people to collaborate and create something actually valuable together, and then hordes of capitalistic parasites come storming in to set up as many fences as possible so they can charge tolls and harness the new kinds of art and tech that was created for advertising, extraction, and rentierism.

      • Raebxeh
        ·
        11 months ago

        Humans create value by organizing and capitalists are privatizing the means by which we organize. This is true of third spaces IRL and it’s true of social media.

    • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
      ·
      11 months ago

      You are by far not the only person to think that something like the Internet and the Web specifically would be most useful for a socialist state and even easier to create it.

      Only IRL, in that socialist state that had people trying, things went differently, because officials and directors and administrators felt that such a system would threaten their power.

      Probably could have happened to a limited extent if its authors wouldn't be idealistic idiots describing their communist dreams right away to those predators behind redwood tables. Should have been more modest.

      • Hexagons [e/em/eir]
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        11 months ago

        Only IRL, in that socialist state that had people trying, things went differently, because officials and directors and administrators felt that such a system would threaten their power.

        Would you mind providing some evidence for this claim? I assume you're talking here about the Soviet Union, but I have never heard that Soviet scientists tried to build an internet but were stopped by government officials. I'd like to see some evidence of this before I just take your word for it, you know? Thanks!

          • Hexagons [e/em/eir]
            ·
            11 months ago

            Well that is a tantalizingly sparse wikipedia article. If I had more time, I'd pirate the book it seems to be summarizing, because it seems like it could be an interesting read. Have you read the book? Or did you make do with the extremely sparse wikipedia article?

            • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
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              edit-2
              11 months ago

              I don't remember most of things I've read about this, because it's sort of a common knowledge for everybody in ex-USSR interested in history of cybernetics in the latter.

              Which makes the fact that a Murrikan tankie hasn't heard of it even funnier.

              EDIT: Ah, yes, look at the references in the Russian version.

          • voight [he/him, any]
            ·
            11 months ago

            Show me where this article says it was about the threat to the power of bureaucrats & not the feasibility of cyberneticizing the economy in the first place lmao. If it's so easy why hasn't anyone than China even begun to do it with modern technology? Walmart and Amazon sharing information along their chaotic just-in-time supply chain does NOT count. Rich investors prefer to use information technology to get an advantage over others, rather than cyberneticize economies anywhere.

            • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
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              11 months ago

              In the Russian version of the article you will find it, including even ministries most opposed to it and references to other attempts. The English version seemed its translation to me on the first glance, a glitch in my firmware so to say.

              For USSR it would in theory (not considering politics inside a bureaucratic system) be easier due to the command system of the economy.

              And some local transitions of this kind even happened in USSR, but to preserve balance of power between ministries, service branches etc there would be elements in the chain that wouldn't be converted specifically so to not give away control to a different organization.

              That would look as stupid as automated data submission to some analytic center, but some stage of the calculations it would perform (for planning purposes or something else) would be done by human computers. Purely for organizational\political purposes - "no, that other ministry can't do it without us".

              Or they wouldn't be global - some plants etc would submit data to some computational center of one ministry, some to another, but those centers wouldn't share data or expertise.

              That was also the case with much less ambitious modernization projects in the USSR.

              • voight [he/him, any]
                ·
                11 months ago

                The english language one also references a book about how there was a failure to network the country for various reasons. There are all kinds of valid historical materialist criticisms of the soviet union but I'm not buying this pop history take about how bureaucrats were threatened by a cybernetic system that barely existed conceptually

                • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
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                  11 months ago

                  The English version doesn't reference many things other than that book. The Russian version has a rather long list.

                  but I’m not buying this pop history take about how bureaucrats were threatened by a cybernetic system that barely existed conceptually

                  The whole history of USSR's demise consists of various bureaucratic groups perceiving any change as a threat.

                  • voight [he/him, any]
                    ·
                    11 months ago

                    Vague historical truisms are not really useful to anybody.

                    This was over 50 years ago. We're talking about computers about as powerful as graphing calculators. Handing over planning to something like that is a ridiculous prospect. It wouldn't have saved the USSR.

                    The USSR had an overly hefty tribute going to administration and industry, industry was too focused towards military, this planning structure was inflexible for various reasons including external pressure. USSR applied too much external pressure in turn, it supported an unsustainable development policy where third world countries were supposed to be develop in the context of an imperialist financial system with USSR serving as a counterbalance. It's because the USSR was so successful with parts of its planning that it was able to play this role IMO. Painting pretty broad strokes here.

                    Maybe better computing devices would have helped them figure out their planning was not materialist, but semiconductors don't appear out of thin air. These days require extreme metallurgy, precision engineered parts like X ray mirrors & the tables which move chips to carve circuits. They recycle hydrogen gas to keep impurities out.

                    • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
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                      11 months ago

                      We’re talking about computers about as powerful as graphing calculators. Handing over planning to something like that is a ridiculous prospect. It wouldn’t have saved the USSR.

                      Let's please not make such statements without some spreadsheets. They didn't have to run DALL-E on those computers.

                      That aside, those times had plenty of specialized (non-universal) counting machines, analog computers for engineering and planning purposes, and those were practically used, and in USSR too.

                      It’s because the USSR was so successful with parts of its planning that it was able to play this role IMO. Painting pretty broad strokes here.

                      N-no. It just had sufficient resources on start and, as you said, administrative inflexibility not to notice and not to react to the fact that it actually couldn't.

                      Maybe better computing devices would have helped them figure out their planning was not materialist, but semiconductors don’t appear out of thin air.

                      You are overestimating the technology required to make such a system an improvement over what USSR really had.

                      • voight [he/him, any]
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                        edit-2
                        11 months ago

                        Let me give you a classic historical example of relatively good agricultural planning that still squandered its potential: irrigation with slightly salty Nile water destroying soil over time. Just a really broad analogy.

                        Can't be too good at industrializing the country and also incapable of basic planning to the point a graphing calculator changes everything. They were the reason we had a space race bruh

                        • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
                          ·
                          11 months ago

                          They weren't that good at industrializing the country. Large part of it had been done by foreign engineers, large part of heavy machinery still in operation in 70s had been bought in 30s for gold, and some "taken" from Germany after 1945 as reparations.

                          And, eh, what a certain machine will or will not change requires technical arguments. I'm not making statements requiring such, you do.

                          Also if I did say the opposite of what you say, that'd be sort of supported by existence, again, of computerized networked control systems in USSR not intended for economic planning and exchange.

                          • voight [he/him, any]
                            ·
                            11 months ago

                            I bet you're like three times my age and you still have Barnes and Noble browser history knowledge because you're rummaging around for political talking points about communism like "they squandered all the resources of great mother russia, the tsar would be so sad" "they couldn't industrialize, they bought all the equipment with gold, and were given it as pity after the USA singlehandedly defeated Hitler" like lmao

                              • voight [he/him, any]
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                                edit-2
                                11 months ago

                                Also re: strawmanning each other for fun & educational purposes. I'm not mindlessly defending the USSR, far from it.

                                I just don't see the further networking of communication centers in the USSR as being a solution to the problems with their planning.

                                They were aware of how they were straining the agricultural base. Hard to ignore food imports etc. Does that clarify my argument? But it would be flat out wrong to say the USSR didn't push the boundaries of agricultural development, communal gardening, scientific achievements like growing fruit in Siberia for the lulz.

                                Again don't take the pings as pressure, but claiming USSR industry is shamed by technology transfers is bizarre. This strikes me as similar to the arguments made to discredit Chinese industrialization lately, just to get even higher on my high horse.

                                The USSR was not able to withstand financial pressure from abroad. It was able to withstand military pressure. Some soviet military infrastructure is still whipping ass.

                                We'll talk about the world buying Russian oil & all the pressure that entails in 6-8 hours 😴🥱💤

                          • voight [he/him, any]
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                            edit-2
                            11 months ago

                            Before we continue, you need to go read Wages of Destruction by Adam Tooze, a liberal historian who is still better than the dweebs you read.

                            I'm not talking to someone who thinks the USSR needed to steal industry from the Nazis.

                            The whole reason the USSR wiped the floor with them was their industrial production.

                            Where did they get the tanks from?

                            Did they buy all the tanks with gold lmao?

                            • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
                              ·
                              11 months ago

                              than the dweebs you read

                              How would you know whom I read really.

                              I’m not talking to someone who thinks the USSR needed to steal industry from the Nazis.

                              It obviously did. Only it was usually called trophies and reparations.

                              Did they buy all the tanks with gold lmao?

                              They did buy the "means of production", the actual production lines to make those tanks, equipment of those, with gold.

                              Also engineers who would instruct Soviet engineers.

                              Mostly, there would be some industrial equipment really produced in USSR and really used, but Soviet heavy industries relied on pre-war American and German equipment till 80s or something. Well, no piece of equipment can last forever.

                              Why are you arguing about that really? What's so shameful in buying stuff? You think a mostly agrarian country can just build modern industries from scratch? Well it can't.

                              About WWII:

                              They would receive industrial equipment through lend-lease as well, and materials, even steel. Not just cars or canned food or rubber.

                              • voight [he/him, any]
                                ·
                                11 months ago

                                How would you know whom I read really.

                                I guess we'll never know if you don't post anything other than WIKIPEDIA 😇

                              • voight [he/him, any]
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                                11 months ago

                                Being able to organize those technology transfers while developing a backwards tributary state is awesome I hope we can agree

                                It's the stalin sell grain buy factory build tank meme, I can't find it

                              • voight [he/him, any]
                                ·
                                11 months ago

                                Why are you arguing about that really? What's so shameful in buying stuff? You think a mostly agrarian country can just build modern industries from scratch? Well it can't.

                                No that's ridiculous I just don't understand why that means they "weren't that good at industrializing really" lmao

                          • voight [he/him, any]
                            ·
                            11 months ago

                            They weren't that good at industrializing the country. Large part of it had been done by foreign engineers, large part of heavy machinery still in operation in 70s had been bought in 30s for gold, and some "taken" from Germany after 1945 as reparations.

                            Delusional and shifting the goalposts to boot. They weren't good at industrializing, they stole it, so it didn't count 🤣. What are you basing this off of, I wonder?

                            And, eh, what a certain machine will or will not change requires technical arguments. I'm not making statements requiring such, you do.

                            eh smuglord

                            You don't talk to people. Nobody talks like this.

                            I actually just gave you later examples of how computerized planning means jack shit in the face of external pressure, which is what the USSR was unable to withstand.

                            • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
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                              edit-2
                              10 months ago

                              It can be all of that simultaneously and it is.

                              By the way, about German industrial equipment taken as reparations, that knowledge happens to be also part of my family history. My grandmother's brother (EDIT:uncle) was stationed in Germany post-war and busy in that very process. Not that any Russian would argue with that obvious truth anyway.

                              Also you are arguing in bad faith (everybody thinking a discussion can be perceived as a duel does).

                              You don’t talk to people. Nobody talks like this.

                              English is not my first language, Russian is. So solely by virtue of having grown here I already know a lot of things about USSR which you don't.

                              I actually just gave you later examples of how computerized planning means jack shit in the face of external pressure, which is what the USSR was unable to withstand.

                              If by external pressure you mean half the world buying its oil ...

                              • voight [he/him, any]
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                                edit-2
                                11 months ago

                                You shouldn't have learned Reddit English then. Yes you already mentioned you are a Russian speaker first I'm not trying to bash your grammar I'm just being a dick.

                                I don't care about your family history, I'm disputing your ridiculous historical claim that the USSR was bad at industrializing and stole it all from Nazi Germany, and that technology transfers are "cheating" at industrialization. Your family history doesn't even come up because again they industrialized a backwards tributary monarchy rapidly to the point the allies viewed them as a massive threat. You claim they were just handed industrialization when the rest of the world invaded them, & was barely diverted from pressuring them by WWII. Allied with the Nazis postwar to fight against them. Lmfao. I wonder why they had inflexible administration and high military spending.

                                Why would I be sending you cool books and movies and shit if this were a duel? I'm saying you're making an ideological case that doesn't line up with the actual history.

                                Trying to act aloof doesn't mean anything when you're spouting "dad history" straight out of the History Channel. What's next, Hitler's secret Microwave Weapon?

                              • voight [he/him, any]
                                ·
                                11 months ago

                                Again I'm totally down to exchange sources & I'm happy to explain like Tooze's ideology and shit. Good book tho. Just disagree with him on a lot

                                  • voight [he/him, any]
                                    ·
                                    11 months ago

                                    Sure and feel free to hit me with anything other than "dude trust me"

                                    I'm not strawmanning you for any reason other than to force you to take a position lmao.

                                    I view the internet as a way to get information. But reply to my emails at your leisure don't sweat it

                      • voight [he/him, any]
                        ·
                        11 months ago

                        Okay so I have to back up my statements with spreadsheets, but you get to use vague historical truisms. I love talking to people online about history.

                        • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
                          ·
                          11 months ago

                          I'm just saying that USSR had systems capable of processing data necessary for centralized control of air defenses and nuclear missiles, in operation.

                          And Soviet planning was sufficiently rough for computerization of that kind to be absolutely beneficial for it.

                          Anyway, it's not even about processing, which would require machinery, because that could be done in large part by humans still, it's the idea of such an open exchange of data between institutions and ministries etc, which shot it down.

                          A purely administrative reason.

                          • voight [he/him, any]
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                            11 months ago

                            I think you are overestimating how powerful the computing systems needed to operate air defense back then were. Some of that shit was pretty analog. Cybernetic systems are all about inputs & outputs,,, more complicated than just needing processing power. Go watch Eyewar 😎🦾⚙️👀🤩🤖!!!

                            Chile is a later example that was visibly not saved by interest in cybernetics either. US Chicago School economists pushed for an intervention to overthrow Allende, rape and torture as many people as possible, then their moronic laissez faire economics that don't even understand what money are face planted. Chilean right wingers and modern Chicago Boys try to ignore that lol

                            The thing abt it purely being lack of information transparency between different USSR organs resulting in inefficiencies doesn't strike me as a great historical approach, more trying to fit whatever you're talking about to a conclusion, in this case that bureaucratic obstruction alone led to the USSR being dissolved. The USSR was too good at industrializing.

                            Again maybe seeing better statistics about agriculture may have hypothetically convinced them they need Maoism.

                            Trying to boil everything down to a few interpretations of politics within the USSR is really missing the forest for the trees.

                            Totally down to keep exchanging information about it long term as long as you don't say anything weirdly reactionary and get booted from this instance.

                            Can't wait for your "N-no." smuglord response because you don't actually give a fuck about history, you want to keep inbox notifications at bay. Prove me wrong tho.

                            You can always cite these examples you know instead of just linking to a Wikipedia article.

                            You know Wikipedia is highly ideological and has major sourcing issues?

                            Did you know many of your sources for information about the USSR are literally compromised by NATO intelligence? Simon Sebag Montefiore is in Jeffrey Epstein's contact book.

                            • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
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                              11 months ago

                              because you don’t actually give a fuck about history, you want to keep inbox notifications at bay. Prove me wrong tho.

                              Why, you're right, it's a reflex.

                              Simon Sebag Montefiore

                              Not that guy, please. My classmate 12 years ago advised me to read him and I tried, this almost made her less cute for me.

                              You can always cite these examples you know instead of just linking to a Wikipedia article.

                              I can't (don't have time to look for sources), because it's of the "common knowledge" area. I live in Russia, many people in my family worked in rather big projects as engineers.

                              I think you are overestimating how powerful the computing systems needed to operate air defense back then were. Some of that shit was pretty analog.

                              The precision of Soviet planning allows for use of analog computers.

                              And I've said already in another comment that it wasn't about computing power, there actually were computing centers for the purpose of planning belonging to different ministries and organizations, just they didn't cooperate with each other, it's about openness of data.

                              • voight [he/him, any]
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                                11 months ago

                                Openness of data wouldn't have fixed ideological issues with the planning

                              • voight [he/him, any]
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                                11 months ago

                                Okay, sure, as a bilingual Russian liberal I now make you the epistemological black hole thru which I view the history of the USSR

                  • voight [he/him, any]
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                    11 months ago

                    Mao Zedong thought would have saved the USSR's agricultural base

  • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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    11 months ago

    at least bonzi buddy stayed on your desktop or laptop, now every fucking thing requires installing an app on my phone so they can track me

    I really need to follow through with setting up an android VM on my NAS so I can install apps to it and avoid the tracking bullshit

  • EnsignRedshirt [he/him]
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    11 months ago

    It would almost be forgivable if it didn’t slow everything to a crawl. At this point I’d let them put a tracking chip in my fucking brain if they’d just let websites load properly, but we aren’t even going to get that.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      11 months ago

      It's so fucking bad! Nothiung should load less than instantaneously but between the amount of crap shoved in to every site and the atrocious coding habits of "webdev" everything is an absurdly inefficient mess.

  • SoyViking [he/him]
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    11 months ago

    The internet has become useless for news. Back in the old days you could use Google to find articles and read them. Today, everything is behind a paywal and Google results for news content has turned from a list of links to useful information to a list of banner ads for subscription services.

    And no, I'm not going to buy a subscription for Racism Weekly or The Hunt The Poor For Sport Times just because they happen to have some interview with a ghoul or happens to be the ones who exposed some generic local government scandal. And even if I had disposable income and wanted to spend some of it on the self-important stenographers who calls themselves journalists, there's no way I would buy more than one or two subscriptions and I would still be excluded from most of the stuff Google tries to push.

    • blakeus12 [they/them, he/him]
      ·
      11 months ago

      And no, I'm not going to buy a subscription for Racism Weekly or The Hunt The Poor For Sport Times just because they happen to have some interview with a ghoul or happens to be the ones who exposed some generic local government scandal.

      New site tagline

  • D61 [any]
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    11 months ago

    Me: goes to website to use its function

    website popup: "Oh, you're using your cell phone to visit me! I look WAY better in an app!"

    Me: can't figure out a way around the popup and surrenders to the app download

    website's app popup: "We're sorry but your cellphone is too old, I can't be installed."

    Me: goes to website on a computer made from parts from before the website and my cellphone existed

    website: "Hey thanks for logging in, lets get to work"

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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    11 months ago

    It tru. Apps? Apps? I used to SCOUR MY FUCKING MACHINE to get rid of spyware like apps. I went nuclear on the boot sector. I DOD formatted by storage just to be certain every trace of spyware was gone.

    I'm using uBlock Origin to block most advertising and sketchy our outright hostile and malicious code, uBlacklist to block shit from search results (pinterest), and Firefox for general purpose fuck this shit.

  • GeorgeZBush [he/him]
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    11 months ago

    it's great how everything just sucks more and more and there's no end in sight

  • shath [comrade/them]
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    11 months ago

    woe betide the marketing profession and those who partipate