Do fucking nothing to meaningfully combat the pandemic, laugh about the idea of the government sending universal covid tests, cancel stimulus money, let unemployment expire, half ass any sort of vaccine mandate, refuse to implament lockdowns, and generally handle covid exactly the same as the gop did, and then, after all that, your official message is basically just personal responsibility. Fucking cowards. Liberals will call this based. I'm so pissed at this useless government.
I'm still amazed that they have done nothing but negative/punitive measures to get people vaccinated. Give people a sick graphic T-shirt if they get vaccinated, give them a couple blocks of federal cheese, give them some gift cards or whatever, literally anything that may incentive them to do the thing they want people to do. They are so bad at being bad.
It's bananas that they have tried nothing and are mad that nothing has worked. They haven't done the most merger material incentive, they have the means but choose not to do anything with those means. That's the worst part of it all.
They will do everything but anything that will actually do something.
:yea: Remind me again how Biden is different from Trump?
You got two choices, Red MAGA and Blue MAGA, both hate you for being poor. Good luck!
I think the ban on trans people joining the military which hooray i guess? lol
none of the tax cuts on the wealthy, the draconian border shit, or anything else that meaningfully effects marginalized and poor people
Drone strikes are at all time lows afaik and Afghanistan withdrawal are good things. Everything else is the same or slightly less worse than before. Anything good has only been temporary and insufficient at best
i think biden's throwing more kids in cages
oh you mean bad stuff that he's undoing?
Less openly boorish and crass.
For some, that's perfectly fine
One of the only things trump was good at. Throwback to "I like people who weren't captured"
Also I never looked up the full context for the losers and suckers thing, and somehow it's better than I thought
[Regarding the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018] In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed.
We haven’t just thrown money at people like trump with the cares act! We means test!
Here's an idea, if you're so hellbent on the vaccine saving us, go door to door and vaccinate people. For the people that don't have a home, schedule pickups for them to be driven to a pharmacy and back to get the shot. Give people like a week off from work for each vaccine, paid.
Give people -- a week off from work -- paid
"Literally communism."
My dad back in April waited five hours in the ER to get a neurologist to diagnose him. Two weeks of phone calls and insurance issues later, he gets airlifted to a hospital for emergency brain surgery.
Thankfully he survived, but I think of other people in more strained areas and how they might not be so lucky.
I can't understand this level of callousness.
better not get sick, because those hospitals aren't going to be around either
Definitely don't get injured either, and try not to develop cancer or anything in the meantime
And the children too young to get vaccinated. This will be a huge shitshow.
This is beyond fucked up coming from the government. Individual people roasting antivaxx chuds who own themselves is cool and good, but the gov doing this when they could fix it tomorrow is disgusting.
Cool that we are actually doing American Stalingrad but it's just to keep Arby's open
"When the one with the spatula gets killed, the one who is following picks up the spatula and flips!"
In the Battle of Arbysgrad (20 January 2021 – ongoing), Biden and his allies fought the COVID virus for control of Arbysgrad - a euphamismic expression for the the economy of the United States. Marked by fierce and needless close-quarters combat and direct assaults on civilians, it is one of the bloodiest battles in the history of warfare, with ~805,000 casualties to date.
After their continuing defeat at Arbysgrad, the American High Command had to withdraw considerable aid to the public to force them back to work to replace losses to the economy.
when they could fix it tomorrow
Enlighten me? I'm thinking "fix" in this case means "compulsory vaccinations administered at gunpoint" but I'm guessing you mean something else?
Tying the stimulus to getting the vaxx seemed so obvious to me from the beginning, i still can't believe they never did that
Right? Easy way to do another stimulus round and would have been extremely popular.
Some states did do cash payments, although it was a lower amount (~$200 iirc) since they had lower budgets.
Those programs were, unsurprisingly, extremely successful.
I think one state even gave you a lotto ticket, which I thought was fucked up. That seemed to be almost as effective as actual cash last time I checked, but felt manipulative.
Yeah all the states around me did million dollar vaccine lotteries. Kinda fucked up but somewhat effective.
I feel like the vast majority of the antivaxxers are just mildly anti vax. Literally just 500$ would easily buy them out to get vaxxed
NC did a lottery. What was even more fucked up about it is they kept how they were getting the info super opaque for awhile. Turns out all the first responders who didn't get it at a Walgreens or CVS or whatever didn't get entered and if you didn't subscribe to Walgreens or CVS by phone they just didn't bother to contact you.
It was more of a way to sell private information to convenience stores than anything else.
Fixes your grocery bill. And that feeds you more than brainworms do
Exactly. Most people will drop their antivax shit when it clearly benefits their material interests. Has to be paid at federal level so states don’t ratfuck it.
Any hold outs, you pay travel nurses to go visit and figure out wtf is wrong with them. If they have a legit health exemption, make sure that’s noted.
If they don’t, encourage them to get the shot and offer them the money in cash in person so they can see it. Use $50 or $100 bills to drive the point home.
Anyone who still holds out should be locked out of every public space, have groceries delivered to them, internet + cable cut off, and visited weekly by a travel nurse. Do that for a while and anyone who still tantrums, you can then consider forcibly vaccinating.
separate programs: national vaccine passports and potentially a database.
I dunno my job offered 36 hours free pto for getting both your vaccines and people still didn't get it.
My point was that some people's resistance to the vaccine goes beyond monetary needs. And I don't think it's a small number. They in fact see any form of enticement to take the vaccine as further proof that they shouldn't. At this point, in fact, I think that's most unvaccinated people.
So, again, how do you make sure those people are vaccinated without pointing a gun at their heads?
Material conditions triumph over idealist values. See how long your values and beliefs in the ethereal last in the face of the concrete reality of your kids crying to you that they're hungry and you don't have the money to feed them. How strong is the bedrock of your conspiracy when the landlord is beating on your walls with a letter of eviction?
The economically secure few who's fat affords them the time to stave off their proletarianization grow fewer and fewer, and the number of masses crushed under the capitalist boot continues to grow. It is only through addressing their material needs can crises be overcome.
Fun “SocDem” style mechanism since this is a hypothetical anyway:
you could use this as a way to fine anyone above a certain income bracket (say $200k) who was still unvaccinated. Start off small, but then rapidly compound the rate you’re seizing until it ends with them at the $200k benchmark.
Publicly list the amount being seized and run huge propaganda campaigns showing it being diverted into covering the healthcare costs of everyone with covid. Frame the people who you took the funds from as being hoarders who wanted everyone being helped to suffer.
This is stupid and wonky since you at this point would have already seized their wealth, but would be hilarious to watch happen.
Edit: If I remember right; I’ve read some numbers varying the amount that everyone could equally have in the world as annual income as between $75k-$200k.
Naw, most people who aren’t vaxxed are either lazy, overwhelmed, or lightly antivaxx because they have some friends that are.
There are other methods of pressure besides putting a gun to anyone’s head.
You think they’ll need to be forced at gunpoint, then? Just trying to understand what you’re suggesting, in favor of doing.
Your characterization of the unvaccinated. I think most people who are unvaccinated have fully bought in to conspiracy theories and I don't think money is likely to change their minds.
I think those people would have to be forced at gunpoint.
You keep repeating that gunpoint line, is that what you want to do to solve this? It’s heavy handed when we haven’t really tried that many other social pressures.
Mask / vax mandates in public spaces works pretty well, as does requiring it for employment. Cutting off treats and applying social stigma up until they vaccinate is a strong lever.
The amount of people who have actually quit their jobs over vaccination when push comes to shove is negligible.
It was just exaggeration to say I don't think anything can be done to make them get vaccinated. I don't think there's anything (this) government can do to get people to get vaccinated and reasonably end the pandemic.
We cannot cut off the treats or create any more social pressure. Or at least, the Democrats can't. You can't make the proverbial suburban hot tub salesman fire his employees for not getting vaccinated. You can't make people in East Ditchwater wear a mask. I talk to friends who have visited red areas of the country and people just don't wear masks. How does this white house get those people to wear masks or get vaccinated when they view everything it proposes as an anathema? Half of this country's entire personality is "the opposite of whatever he says". How do you combat that? You can't.
Social pressure + taking away all treats while offering them $4k in cash to get over their shit would work for almost everyone.
Anyone who gets extremely violent / tries to go on a shooting spree, though? Then sure, put them down like the rabid animal they are. That won’t be necessary for almost anyone though.
people refusing to wear masks should be beaten. people refusing to vacc should get an opportunity to vacc but then get thrown on a pillory for schoolchildren to throw lawn darts at.
See my other comments. Bullying works. People refusing to mask should be turned away from all spaces, you’re right.
i'm in full agreement i just want to be crazy clear that i want these fucks to bleed. pissed off
I don't know if it needs to be said but this should be the crystalizing moment for anyone still interested in federal electoralism and/or party politics. The Democrats are a conservative party. There is no redemption or saving it. There is no taking it over. Absolutely nothing and no one inside it can change it or pressure it to change itself. Not a Bernie, not an AOC. Any organization that's even quasi-socialist should take this opportunity to get the fuck out and put their energy toward something real. If having all these progressives meant anything, this wouldn't be happening. If they were strong enough to do something in response with this, they're strong enough to stand on their own and not associate with this shit. Even if you want to be stubborn and say that the DSA is on the verge of changing it all, they would have to essentially run decades long PR against the memories of this in the electorate's mind. That's why anyone should get the fuck out and just do a new party. You're going to waste time and effort on rehabilitating a dead brand rather than actually solve problems.
Couldn’t have said it better, sweatie. Don’t try to change it from the inside! Just :vote: blue! Cuz otherwise your voting for Russian fascists
Whenever I see the word "the unvaccinated" I replace it with "children under 5" and it gets way more ghoulish
I replace it with "the immunocomprised even if they're vaccinated" and then I worry about my friends some more.
Yeah, solidarity, I had to stop doing that cause that describes my wife and it was getting too hard to deal with
No shit. My six year old son just got his second jab last month after another semester of virtual after waiting for the vaccine to finally get approved. Part of the problem is how much conventional wisdom has established kids not being in danger...true or untrue.
Man, I wish I lived in one of those supposedly "authoritarian" countries where they actually have a good pandemic response, and uh, leadership in general. Man, just fuck the USA. I just have "death to america" humming in the back of my head all the time now, it's barely keeping me sane.
Every week my "move to China" meter moves towards overload.
"They'll be too busy to beg for affordable health care when they're begging for functional health care"
We are more fiscally responsible and don’t just do helicopter money like the cares act
Excuse me, it’s not just a bit… it’s a lot!
$250 BILLION dollars that we’ve reduced the deficit, sweatie, and student loan interest revenue will be kicking in soon!
cortisol is like the opposite of exercise
Exercise reduces levels of the body's stress hormones, such as adrenaline and cortisol
:very-smart: :what-the-hell:
legit mask off moment by the dems saying "go die in a ditch, you will get nothing from us and be happy for it"The strategy for 2022 is to get the death toll so high that they can cancel the elections.
That would be more clever than anything they as a party could come up with. They'll let the death toll reach the millions and then preemptively concede before the ballot count is even finished.
L O fucking L at all the responses from chuds claiming that a release which essentially boils down to "personal responsibility" is communism
It's such a bleak world out there
:agony-immense:
I'm not shedding tears for chuds, but I also don't want hospitals to become morgues and be unavailable for people who have been vaccinated
This pandemic has been completely mismanaged from the start, and I feel like it could cause our medical system to collapse
Honestly yeah there's some joy in that, but we also got peeps with immunocomprimised systems that are getting the short end of the stick by no fault of their own :deeper-sadness:
funny thing about widespread public health crises and broken social systems: they aren't a form of justice meting out reward and punishment to saints and sinners!
The only type of justice will be that we can get together :mao-aggro-shining:
Lmao.. Joe is trying so hard to be a libertarian here, and we all knew it was coming due to his behavior around underage women
Annnd there goes the midterm. This is the fact shir Republicans always claim the Dems are saying about the stupid white middle class and they just flat out said it.
Guilt tripping is just gonna make people more unlikely to get it. We are fucked.
I legit don't understand how America doesn't have a bigger terrorist problem, given it's attitude towards helping those who are at their wits end. Especially from some of the ghoulish healthcare companies, which all compete for the prize of "most deserving of a UNABOMBER package delivered to the executives door"
terrorist industry got bought out by the FBI:sicko-wistful:
just try opening an honest terrorist business these days! Feds have the resources to undercut your bottom line, to say nothing of competitive wages. You know how little the CIA pays terrorists in Libya? try and find an american willing to work for those kinda paychecks
milennials killed the terrorist industry!
I legit don’t understand how America doesn’t have a bigger terrorist problem
We do, tho. :cop: :fedposting: :cia:
