NatSec ghouls fucking around: we must starve the next ten generations of russians for their hypothetical glassing of Kyiv
NatSec ghouls finding out: uhhhhhhhhhhh uummmmmmmmmm uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh help idk what to do
Holy fuck right wing media really has completely isolated and destroyed the Dems even pretending to do shit. No wonder so many are retiring and jumping ship.
Yeah , no shit. Sanctioning Russia means cutting off something like 35% of the European energy supply. The EU was never going to go along with that for anything less than an existential threat to Europe.
Or some sweetheart concessions/kickbacks from the US that the US has absolutely no intention of even considering
America was trying to come up with alternative arrangements for oil and gas to Europe. I'm going to guess them flinching hear means either they failed to make those arrangements or were trying to sell their own stuff and got rejected by the EU.
Wouldn't alternative energy sources be really expensive and a logistical nightmare, if not straight out impossible?
I think the alternatives are liquefied gas shipped by container ships from America. Pretty sure it's prohibitively expensive, which is why I doubt Europe had considered that option seriously and probably only floated it as a bluff.
Hello can I get this translated to stupid dumbass please. Is this basically "US flinched?"
The news has been set to "maybe WWIII" for awhile now and the other home page threads have a lot of details that I have trouble piecing together
yeah, pretty much. Russia has essentially annexed two parts of Ukraine that had a strong separatist presence, and the US is basically saying that doesn't technically count as an invasion, so it may not follow through on the sanctions it had threatened Russia with.
More broadly, everyone sucks here all around. Russia sucks, Ukraine sucks, the NATO countries suck..
Russia isn’t operating out of humanitarian concern
They're being shelled by Ukraine. Why do you think they're doing this then?
To destabilise the Ukraine enough to prevent NATO from accepting them as a member? To win internal popularity by defending Russians abroad? To establish Russia as a credible great power that you can't just fuck over like the Ukraine tried to do with the Minsk agreements? To soften the Ukrainian government enough to get them to make concessions?
but I don’t see a problem with annexing territories where the people want to be annexed
the problem is that, as far as I'm aware, that's not something the people there want
uncritically repeat those vague impressions as though they came from you investigating the matter
as far as I’m aware
literally the reason that phrase is there to say the opposite of what you're accusing me of
That I haven't seen solid evidence that the majority of people in those regions want to be part of Russia. If you have sources to the contrary, please share. I don't know what linking NBC is supposed to show. I definitely have not done substantial research on the annexation referendums and didn't realize it was required to comment on Hexbear dot com.
Ah, forgive me for thinking the Russian bots on NBC were a reliable source for the official results of the referendum
The link you posted said it was illegitimate. I don't know why you're going off about useful idiots for western propaganda when you're just giving me western propaganda. If you want specifics then... any of the accusations in that article, I guess?
I do not operate on the assumption that any people want to be annexed. Most of the discussion I've seen in ML circles has said they don't. If I'm wrong, ok. I am welcome to being criticized on Hexbear dot com. But you made the claim "they want to be annexed" without sources. I made the claim "I do not think so" without sources. If you want to raise the level of discourse to debate bro shit, I'm not even going to debate, because I don't even want to fight for the thing I'm saying. I'm just curious to hear the perspective that the referendums were legitimate and to see some evidence for it.
This is discussion forum. I'm discussing and hoping to learn more.
I understand burden of proof (btw spending a bunch of paragraphs explaining it and epistemology is almost the definition of debate bro shit). I am earnestly asking for where I can find more information about what you're saying. I'm not trying to defend my claim. You seem to be more knowledgeable about this conflict than me. You can berate me or, when I ask "How do you know that?", you could show me.
This is a small community of like-minded people that operates well on good faith discussion. I am a fellow anti-imperialist. I'm not crowing for war or sanctions it anything else the US media and government are.
This should be a place where I can safely express an opinion without extreme conviction and then, when I ask to be told why I am wrong, have the other person at the very least not continue to go off on me instead of just linking something or explaining something that shows how they arrived at their conclusion. I recognize your username and you probably recognize mine so can you just chill and show me the correct information.
Edit: honestly I'll just stressed from work and maybe you are too so I don't really need you to come at me anymore, if you're going to I'm just going to disengage
Yeah if anything, they’re gonna smack him just like they did when he had the gall to pull out of Afghan. And then his approval rating will drop another 10 points.
Wheres @SorosFootSoldier I'm pretty sure he hate watches cnn, having it on in the background.
CNN's been wanting war now for the past like couple of weeks. At least that's what I gather from the quick spurts I do end up listening to before I get upset and turn it off.
Biden is going to fuck this up and it will be used as a massive politcal tool to wash the dems in the midterms.
Broke: starting a war to win an election
Woke: failing to start a war to tank an election
Biden helped the neocons start the 2nd Iraq war.
He had a week of private briefings telling him that Iraq posed no threat and then he purposefully excluded that testimony from the public hearings.
I’d love to see someone call Biden a chicken to his face, you know he’d absolutely lose his shit, Marty McFly style
Watch him punch out a reporter and call them a pony faced dog soldier
I said RED line! RED! The one he crossed is merely maroon or cardinal. :DaBiden:
