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Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict
Please add to this if you can.
Links
Time/Map: https://time.is/Ukraine
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ukraine/@49.1162725,31.7993839,7z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x40d1d9c154700e8f:0x1068488f64010!8m2!3d48.379433!4d31.1655799?hl=en
Leftist discussion threads:
https://hexbear.net/post/177324
https://old.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/t03foy/genzedong_russiaukraine_master_discussion_thread/
https://lemmygrad.ml/
Twitter military updaters:
https://nitter.net/ASBMilitary
https://nitter.net/Militarylandnet
https://nitter.net/MihajlovicMike
https://nitter.net/KofmanMichael
https://nitter.net/TadeuszGiczan/status/1498673348183744518
Global South Perspective: https://nitter.net/kiranopal_/status/1498723206496145413
Better war/propaganda analysis:
https://www.understandingwar.org
https://www.moonofalabama.org/
News updates:
https://www.cgtn.com/special/UkraineCrisis.html
Live: https://www.cgtn.com/special/Live-update-Ukraine-Russia-border-crisis.html
YT/Video in Ukraine:
https://www.youtube.com/c/PatrickLancasterNewsToday/videos
https://www.youtube.com/c/RussellBentleyTe
Thank you.
Previous megathreads:
So Russia has offered it's terms for ending the war: fully recognize Crimea and the Donbas republics and sign and agreement to not join "blocs" like the EU or NATO. Basically leaving a neutral state in Western Ukraine with the ethnic Russian parts as independent states or part of Russia proper. This would basically be the prewar status quo but officially and without the constant shooting and shelling in the Donbas, and Ukraine ceding the previously Ukrainian-held territory to Donbas republics. It's a pretty good deal tbh, but he probably can't take it out of fear of what the numerous fascist militants would do to him
The Ukrainian side has 1 less negotiator now compared to the last round. Different stories by all sides on what happened to him but he's dead.
Fascists don't want this to end. They will martyr the entire population if they can. They will collapse all of Europe and use the opportunities it opens up as states across the continent get resource-stretched to start new fascist territories.
that's a great deal they should take it but the fascists absolutely won't let them.
Yeah Zelensky probably knows he'll be killed if he takes the deal. Unless he flees to the USA, I guess.
if it will end this war he can come here and they can put him in a big mansion with juan guaido and film a reality series together whatever i don't care
Ukraine taking the deal now, isn't probably what US wants.
Then again if he's in exile he can continue to act the hero and refuse to compromise
This has been the line from the get-go, has it not?
They started with the demilitarization and denazification of the country lol.
Denazification implies occupation, it was always bs. demilitarization is/was feasible, if all sides didn’t bungle it so much it was even feasible before the war
True, denazification was what was used to drum up domestic support and boost morale in the DPR/LPR
I mean denazification could always be sold like 5 generals of azov were killed, mission accomplished, pack our troops, it’s that weak of a statement. Will the west/libs start trolling that they didn’t denazify? Of course not. That’s why it’s nebulousness is so useful
That's their justification for the invasion, sure, which is pretty dumb. But the Minsk agreements 8 years ago pretty much only required that Ukrainian provinces get self-determination and that Ukraine agree to neutrality, which unfortunately Ukraine never honored.
what a hero, not taking the deal because of what would happen to 1 person. wow, just like Tony Stark.
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Watch he won't take the deal.
Seems like a legit deal - also doesn't Russia suddenly just own a bunch of Ukraine's oil then? Like it is straight imperialism & a resource grab
They wouldn't own anything they don't already own. Crimea has been part of the Russian Federation for nearly a decade. They people there overwhelmingly do not want to be part of Ukraine.
Well there is the oilfield in Donetsk that is currently under Ukrainian control (or at least was at the start of the war)
That wouldn't be part of Russia, it would be part of the DPR. I'm sure a Russian company would extract it though, since oil extraction is very capital intensive and they don't have their own oil extraction outfit.
Oh I guess I was just assuming that they would vote to join Russia afterwards, but they might not
I mean maybe they will. There is genuine sentiment for joining Russia there. I'd like to see what happens there politically as an independent state, but it's not really my call lol.
That belongs to the people of Donetsk, not Russia. If they choose to sell it to Russia, that's their business.
Well, yes and no. The Donbas states would absolutely be Russian client states beholden to Russian goodwill.
Still, it's a pretty mild deal considering the stakes.
Okay and? That doesn't really change anything. Who else are they going to sell it to? Ukraine?
If they forgave the Ukranian state for murdering 14,000 of their people over 8 years, if it's even the same state later at the end of this war, then sure. That's their business as a self-determining state.
Sure it is in theory, but you can't really deny that Russia would have a lot of sway over the tiny state on its border that only really exists because of its military intervention.
I also can't deny that the imperialist states denies their existence and as such will force them to make deals where they can since they're not recognized as sovereign peoples republics.
That's basically what I just said
No it's not.
Does not mean
Russia is acting knowing that they won't be recognised.
No, Russia acted because Ukraine's jingoistic government, that's extremely hostile to Russia, was demanding to join NATO and to become a nuclear power. The interests of the Donbass Republics to fight for their separation from the genocidal fascist-aligned Ukrainian state simply aligned with the Russian Federation's interest to not have a genocidal fascist-aligned Ukranian state enter into NATO and have the imperialist powers right at their door.
Okay and? I literally never said otherwise.
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it's from reuters interview with peskov https://www.reuters.com/world/kremlin-says-russian-military-action-will-stop-moment-if-ukraine-meets-2022-03-07/
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These have been the Russian demands for 8 years, that are scarily reasonable, and unfortunately Ukraine has never honoured.
I have no idea why the Ukrainian government would rather have a war than agree to neutrality and the ukrainian people getting self-determination. Doesn't justify the invasion, but, what a dumb thing to fight over.
Because the U.S. has been using neo-Nazis and misleading promises and other pressure to force it into that position the whole fucking time (and probably e.g. Zelenskyy doesn't care and was allowed to be elected for exactly this reason anyway; we know from the Panama Papers he was taking fascist money...). Here's a good example.
National Interest - How the West Got Russia and Ukraine Wrong