https://twitter.com/DSA_Intl_Comm/status/1525120090575884296
For more info on Left Party of Sweden opposition on NATO:
https://vansterpartiet.se/nato
time to rev up the op-ed machine. anyone with a finnish or swedish last name, you're on tap
“tankies are not centering and uplifting the lived experiences and self determination of nato member states and their war crimes”
have you considered that sometimes entities do both based and cringe things and you cannot classify them as a binary?
They are cringe when it matters I guess. Good for saying to oppose NATO when talking about other parties, but still facilitate politicians here who give tens of billions to Ukrainian nazis and NATO arms dealers
International Committee are consistently good, the larger DSA org is usually bad.
I'm allowing myself some faint hope for the Left Party, they have some frankly moronic and hypocritical views on drugs and Swedens drug legislation vs alcohol legislation, but to some extent they seem to wanna shake off their reputation as paper tigers serving the whims of the socdems, and thats good if true.
theyve also been like actively campaign to oppose joining NATO, like actually going hard against it and seriously organizing which has been refreshing to see cause i really thought they were just gonna drop the ball on it and not say shit
Much better than the initial saying no to munition deliveries to Ukraine, and then backpedaling when they were criticized for it.
80% of the comments in this thread were made by an unhinged troll. Judging by him gleefully testing out slurs, I'd say he was either physically prepubescent or mentally prepubescent.
Now does this "dsa position" actualy mean remotely anything for the politicians that are dsa affiliated , canvassed and even members of. Is this a position on the war or Nato that is discussed , let alone agreed with or followed in the majority of DSA chapters. Cause anti imperialist action from an org/party itself in this and other matters only is a thing if its mass action and can mobilize a non insignificant amount of members and chapters to follow it or act on it and to be taken into account in their electoral persuits and propaganda. Otherwise there is no point in speaking of such things as "DSA foreign policy positions"
Yeah its the position adopted by delegates at convention and its in the political platform. Also the position adopted by the NPC in their statements on Ukraine and the IC in its work (which is appointed and approved by NPC). So its the national politics, which yeah i would say the vast majority of members and chapters support. There has been work with this coalition Peace in Ukraine that chapters have participated in across the country. When it comes to federal electeds in congress they're just affiliated with DSA so not much can be done since its not a party. I think based on the massive amount of backlash DSA got from liberal media on its Ukraine statements with even the white house staff attacking it id say it has enough outreach for these freaks to want to come after DSA hard.
E: a good recent example for how national stances can propagate across the org, the International Committee did a campaign to oppose USICA and US escalations against China and 25 chapters representing a majority of DSA members signed on to it + lots of individuals and leadership, and I think stuff like that can have a real impact on the politics and organizing work of members
i'm ideologically opposed to nato expansion but if i lived somewhere they might invade I wonder what I'd think the odds of invasion would have to be to flip that on a pragmatic basis
it's like being anti-proliferation but if I'm iran or some other bullyable country I want a nuke yesterday
They did OK during the last cold war, but that was with a really high defense budget, and compulsory service (male only at that time). Pretty much all swedish men I know who are older millennial, Xer or boomer, spent 10 months to a year at 18 years old running around the woods, getting yelled at by career officers, digging foxholes and eating pea soup out of tins in a tent in the rain.
Anyway, if it comes to that, I'd rather bring back compulsory communal pea soup consumption for able-bodied people (of any gender) rather than fucken nato membership. I don't live in sweden anymore but I don't feel like moving back there when I hear about shit like this. Have to figure out voting by mail so I can vote V next election I guess.
There's the DSA national political committee (NPC) which is your typical soc-dem electoralists, then there's the rest of the DSA which are as radical as you'd want the DSA to be. The International Committee is cool and good and gets called trots by the NPC.
the NPC is complicated but actually IC is appointed by NPC and this kind of stuff goes through them, so its all part of the national political stance of the org actually
The NPC can only appoint people that volunteer though. And given the low number of people who ran for NPC compared to the number of seats, I'd suspect whoever showed up for the IC committee got it. That doesn't mean the IC and NPC don't share beliefs, just that they don't have to. But if the NPC's suspension of the BDS working group leaders is an indicator of their beliefs, then I find it hard to believe they have the same internationalist bent that the IC has.
The current IC leadership is very good but there was definitely others that didnt get the spots for sure. There was a huge change up basically in 2020 from the previous old 3rd campist trots cause that NPC was more favorable to the current IC's politics (but then some NPC resigned etc and things changed a bit). There will be new leadership appointments soon tho so guess well see, and theres new NPC appointments that might change dynamics too (tho NPC did reverse the decision on BDSWG at least). But still the NPC is pretty favorable to the IC now cause its the largest and most active committee in DSA nationally and does lots of good work. If they didnt approve they would just stop all the stuff IC does and not let it run the show basically on foreign affairs anymore.
There was a huge change up basically in 2020 from the previous old 3rd campist trots
Was that the IC or the NPC who were 3rd campist trots? If IC, what changes in the NPC precipitated the shakeup in the IC?
tho NPC did reverse the decision on BDSWG at least
But they haven't reinstated the suspended leaders of the BDSWG. They only un-de-chartered the BDSWG because they didn't have the authority to do so. The national convention established the BDSWG and the NPC and only it has the authority to de-charter either.
If they didnt approve they would just stop all the stuff IC does and not let it run the show basically on foreign affairs anymore
That's a legit point but then I'm very confused as to what the NPCs collective politics are. Are they actually socialist internationalists but somehow die hard electoralists?
In 2020 internal organizing cohered things more at convention and resolutions were passed to expand international work like to support Cuba solidarity and engaging with mass socialist parties in Latin America, and a bunch of left NPCs won and they reformed the IC. The committee was basically defunct before then so it was reworked and new leadership revived it and made it into what it is now. Last year IC and NPC members went on an official delegation to Venezuela and even met with Maduro, that shit woulda never flown before lol
The BDSWG shit is ridiculous and tbh it passed without even a majority of NPCs actually supporting dissolving the WG, which is why it was then reversed. A huge mess, and the leadership is basically just ignoring their suspension mostly, though some of them resigned. Its not great but i think its all being amended. People are really angry about the BDS shit which the socdems did so next convention might favor the left NPC more and pick up new spots.
NPC is kind of a mess. There are NPCs who are actual communists and marxists who support this, and there are some who are socdems who are more squishy or oppose it. IC wins out in the majority for the most part. But then 3 NPCs resigned, 2 who were very favorable to the IC, the other more of a toss up, so now new appointments are being made and hopefully they still mirror that or things might change. Definitely some real opportunists in there though.
FWIW my chapter initiated the call to expel Bowman which snowballed into the BDSWG crisis. We're now trying to organize a special convention to elect more internationalists and put more control over the NPC. If you or your chapter hasn't signed on yet you should:
- https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSess6I_tVKMsmsxJuS4U4UPYNfZ6VKQNm1busBMcKWi3bTB6Q/viewform
It's unlikely that we'll get signatures in time to have the special convention but it'll still be valuable to know who's on our side going into the next convention.
tbf these countries wouldn't even consider joining NATO if it wasn't for Putin's attack on Ukraine
Imagine being so mad at “larpers” that you have to make an entire account on their niche website and this is the weak shit you contribute
Touch grass my guy this is corny
