• ClimateChangeAnxiety [he/him, they/them]
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    2 years ago

    I’ll be honest I could’ve told you that just from living in Florida this summer.

    It’s bad. Pretty much every day for the last two months if you walk outside you’ll immediately be drenched in sweat and it doesnt evaporate. There is no cooling, you’re just wet and get more and more out of breath until you get back into the air conditioning.

    I’ve lived here most of my life and it’s always hot in the summer but this year feels noticeably worse and everyone I’ve talked to agrees.

    • JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them]
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      2 years ago

      I was camping out in Okeechobee last week. Two days in a row the "real feel" temp was 108. I was drenched in sweat just from sitting in the shade reading.

      I've been saying for years that we need to evacuate the state. Thankfully, between RoevWade and DeSantis it looks like my family is finally coming around. Now if I can just reach my close friends.

      • ClimateChangeAnxiety [he/him, they/them]
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        2 years ago

        I’ve been saying the same, originally just about sea level rise but now I’m worried about wet bulb temps too. It’s fucking baffling to me that there’s still new construction happening in Miami. Like, y’all do know it’ll be underwater in like 15 years right? What the fuck are you doing?

        • JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them]
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          2 years ago

          RIGHT?! It's already flooding down there, on the regular!🤯 Remember that building that collapsed? It's not gonna be the last. I'm reasonably sure that all the big money down there will get bailed out, but what I'm thinking is that the property getting yoinked up by the big corps are gonna get milked dry for long as possible and then offloaded at fire sale prices to people who find themselves out of luck like a decade later. Insurance companies are already seeing thewriting on the wall and jacking up rates and refusing to renew policies without costly upgrades. It's a whole thing going on, apparently. I think that's partly insurance companies bailing, but also trying to get people out of their homes for the corps to snatch them up.

    • NotALeatherMuppet [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      that's so sad. it's possible to escape. i grew up in arizona (lol) and made it to north of the 45th parallel now. we had our first heat wave of the year (above 90f) last week. it rained every day in april.

    • AOCapitulator [they/them, she/her]
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      2 years ago

      I live MUCH farther north, and I feel the same, though it was only for a couple weeks that it got as bad as you described

  • eduardog3000 [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Not entirely related, but I lost a chicken last week and I'm pretty sure it was due to heat. The rest are ok so I guess since she was brooding she was putting out a lot of body heat and didn't get up to drink or save herself.

    :sadness:

      • eduardog3000 [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Actually a pretty sad part is she wasn't even sitting on anything. We didn't want more chicks (11 chickens and 3 ducks was already a bit much, both to take care of and for the space we have) so we took the eggs, but we couldn't get her to stop brooding.

        But yeah, I guess she was a dedicated mother even if she didn't know any better.

    • kristina [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      I just need to go back to Czechia idk why my parents roped me into this shit. The mountains are cool and nice and a good temp all year round. I feel like a nicely watered tree there :meow-melt:

    • Sandinband [any, comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      I can't regulate my temperature well in general but heat is so much worse because it fucks with my head :/// I can't sweat that much either so I dont get to cool down unless I'm in air conditioning

    • Dingus_Khan [he/him, they/them]
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      2 years ago

      Except: shifting climate patterns are predicted to bring increased moisture to a lot of the desert southwest without bringing the temperatures down. Also Phoenix will have no usable water inside a generation at this point

  • BigLadKarlLiebknecht [he/him, comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    So uhhh…what’s gonna happen when folks have to congregate inside cooling centers this summer in order to survive, just as BA4/5 and Monkeypox are getting into the real swing of things

    • barrbaric [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Already happened in the PNW last year with the heat dome, though with less infectious strains, and IIRC there was only a small spike in cases. The baseline's already so high it kind of doesn't matter.

      • BigLadKarlLiebknecht [he/him, comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        The baseline’s already so high it kind of doesn’t matter.

        :yea:

        Looking forward to that Moderna bivalent shot based on the first Omicron strain that doesn’t confer immunity to BA4/BA5….

        • AOCapitulator [they/them, she/her]
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          2 years ago

          if wastewater levels are to be believed, cases are actually ~3x higher right now than reporting indicates, or in other words 230,000 cases daily

  • ajouter [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    31°C at 100% humidity

    isn't that essentially south-east asia year round?

  • NuraShiny [any]
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    2 years ago

    Okay, honest question: People live in the Sahara today. they also live in the jungles of central America and Africa today. Clearly people can survive in these temperatures...what is this supposed to tell me exactly?

    I mean, obviously both of these examples are textbook extreme climate and these people take measures for their own survival and if climate change continues these places in particular may become factually unlivable, but there will not come a point in which all of the earth is too hot to live on, but still isn't saying 'oh if it's over 31c and wet out we will all die' just wrong?

    Am I just jaded to think that climate change can't kill all of us, just most of us?

    • Diogenes_Barrel [love/loves]
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      2 years ago

      so wet bulb is a 'perfect' condition between humidity and heat, we use water to cool our bodies and if humidity is high enough it nullifies the ability for sweat to cool you faster than surroundings heat you up

      sahara is dry as a bone so itd need to get way hotter for your sweat to not work, or wetter. idk why wetbulbs dont seem to happen so often in jungles tho... seems ideal

      • Pseudoplatanus22 [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Probably because it's cooler. Lots of shade, and the people that live there must know a thing or two about heat stroke or exhaustion. We have reached 35 degree wet bulbs on earth, but currently only actually on and around the Persian Gulf. Coastal areas are more at risk because of the water.

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I think they say you can survive 140 degree surface temperature? if you're otherwise well hydrated and in the shade and the humidity is low. Evaporative cooling works really well if your surroundings are dry and you don't dehydrate or let your electrolyte balance go out of wack.

      • ClimateChangeAnxiety [he/him, they/them]
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        2 years ago

        In jungles the humidity comes from all the plants evaporating water to do photosynthesis. That evaporation brings cooling, so jungles get pretty warm but not deadly hot. You can almost think of it that plants have to sweat to photosynthesize.

        Coastal and swampy areas near the equator at the most at risk, because there’s so much water just sitting around.

    • JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them]
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      2 years ago

      Wet bulb will kill most of us, then there's excess CO2 in the air which start to affect the brain at about 600ppm (office buildings already sometimes get as high as 2000ppm at current 460ish levels), there's famine, flooding, fire, pandemics, etc. People who think we're gonna survive this are being very optimistic.

    • Dingus_Khan [he/him, they/them]
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      2 years ago

      A lot of it is a cumulative effect too, you can survive stretches of high temp/humidity but in the future when it becomes a months long season that will be increasingly difficult. Also FWIW for several years at this point subsistence farmers in central America have been dying early from renal failure brought on by years of hard labor in ever hotter conditions.

    • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      The jungle people only make it by hiding underneath the fauna that the rainforests provide. People having to do manual labor in them drop dead all the time. I live in one of the hottest regions of Central America. There was one point when it got up to 112 degrees Farenheit. It was very dry and my head felt like it was spinning if I was out for too long. There's going to be a point where I'll have to move and I'm still not sure where that will be.

    • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      what is this supposed to tell me exactly?

      The study? That a couple dozen random Americans from the northeast suddenly thrust into high temperatures suffer horribly much sooner than expected based on existing research. People adapt to the temperature they live in long term, so someone used to carefully climate controlled environments struggles to handle heat.

      Also people who live in the most extreme climates have developed various ways of mitigating that, whether in things like clothes that reflect sunlight and whisk away sweat while remaining breathable or in architecture that helps keep living and working spaces cool by doing things like channeling wind through cisterns or cellars and building cities to create strong, shaded breezes, along with behavioral things like just not doing heavy work during the hottest times of day.

    • star_wraith [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Also note the population density of those places. Some humans can survive there, but not a lot of humans.

    • iwillavengeyoufather [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      For the Sahara, I found that one of the hottest areas is Ouargla, Algeria. The highest forecasted temperature will be 47 degC with rel. humidity of 6%. This is equivalent to a wet bulb temp of 20 degC (< 31 degC limit).

      For jungles, Belmopan, Belize has forecasted temps for this week up to 33 degC with 56% rel. humidty (wet bulb temp = 26 degC).

      you can use this calculator with values from different cities

  • Praksis [any]
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    2 years ago

    bro I've been biking around for 3+ weeks in this weather for my job :(

  • Pseudoplatanus22 [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    The 35 degree temp was in ideal circumstances-in shade, with water to drink, unclothed, and at rest. A study I linked in another thread a while ago pointed out how these circumstances are almost never met, citing a heatwave in Russia in 2008 (iirc) that killed quite a few people, where the wet bulb temp never went above 28 degrees.

  • ThisMachinePostsHog [they/them, he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I've never heard the term wet bulb before this post, and I feel like I'm not smart enough to understand the implications other than things are getting too hot and humid for people to survive.

    • SnackClip [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      "It's a dry heat" is a real thing, the dryness lets you cool by sweating. If it is a wet heat ur dead

    • fox [comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      The wet bulb point is the temperature + humidity when sweating no longer cools you down. Since sweating is how we avoid heat stroke this is bad.

      • ThisMachinePostsHog [they/them, he/him]
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        2 years ago

        So is wet bulb temperature specifically the cutoff point where humans can survive? Or does it just refer to any temperature with 100% humidity? (Like, today's temperature is going to be 75 degrees with 100 percent humidity, for example) I hope that question makes sense.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      The worry is that a densely populated area, usually Bangladesh is where people are worried about, is going to get at or close to the wet bulb temperature for a long period of time. And if it's hot and damp enough, and it lasts long enough, then the theory goes that everyone without access to AC will eventually die. Like entire cities, entire provinces kind of thing. The less developed an area is the more vulnerable it is because it will have less access to AC and refrigeration. Old people die first because they're much more vulnerable to heat stress. But young people will die en masse too if it's bad enough for long enough.

      • ThisMachinePostsHog [they/them, he/him]
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        2 years ago

        That's absolutely horrifying. I'm assuming that it's some naïve, lib part of me that wants to ask if this is 💯 percent inevitable. But we're not going to be making any progress on combating climate change. Not with the course we're on now.

  • iwillavengeyoufather [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    there a few comments under this post saying "what about this hot place"
    use this calculator and type in the forecast temperature and humidity
    the wet bulb temperature probably does not exceed 31 degC, or if it does, you might be able to find news articles about heatwaves/deaths

  • Dingdangdog [he/him,comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    I always wondered about that actually, I come from a pretty humid climate and it felt wayyyyyy too hot in the low 90s when trying to work in it. Wondered why I never got used to it very well, but there it is lol

    • ClimateChangeAnxiety [he/him, they/them]
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      2 years ago

      I’ve lived in Florida and Colorado, and visited Arizona in the summer. I would take 105F in Arizona or Colorado over 90F in Florida. When it’s dry you go through short cycles of feeling hot and then a sudden cool breeze, and never get too wet.

      That’s how sweating is supposed to work.

      In Florida you walk outside and become damp, and then the longer you’re outside you become wetter and wetter while also your body temperature increases.

      • Dingdangdog [he/him,comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        Labor laws in the US don't even have heat restrictions, theres like recommendations to allow for a 10 minute break every 2 hours but that's it, and obviously that doesn't apply to prisoners or migrants lol

        I wonder how many heart attack and stroke deaths are heat related from outdoor laborers in hot climates

        • ClimateChangeAnxiety [he/him, they/them]
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          2 years ago

          I’m sure it’s bad. I know people who work at the Universal theme parks in Orlando and it seems that they are particularly afraid of being sued and getting bad press for that exact problem, and are surprisingly good about making sure that if the heat is causing problems they go into the AC for a break.

          But honestly having theme parks open in Florida in the summer is a public health hazard in the first place, they literally all have medical staff on site mostly because of how common heat exhaustion and heat stroke are.

          • Dingdangdog [he/him,comrade/them]
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            2 years ago

            I agree, I actually passed out at one when I was a kid. Just overheated. Waiting on a crowded line, humid, hot, it seems really dangerous especially as thing are getting hotter

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        2 years ago

        the longer you’re outside you become wetter and wetter

        :trump-anguish: