lmao
Ironically they literally have done exactly that. They’ve had pretty consistently the most grounded takes on Ukraine of anyone, basically saying every time “Ukraine is a Nazi infested corrupt neoliberal hell nearly indistinguishable from Russia”
The only thing they were wrong about was they predicted Russia wouldn’t invade, but I still maintain that was the right thing to believe at the time.
The only thing they were wrong about was they predicted Russia wouldn’t invade, but I still maintain that was the right thing to believe at the time.
That was mostly because the media kept releasing the same story about "CIA report says Putin about to invade TOMORROW" and then it didn't happen and repeat the same story a few days later. That happened what 3 or 4 times?
They've predicted it about once or twice a year since 2014, I think. Boy, wolf etc
I remember the Ukrainans the first few days were actually telling the west to calm down so they could try to find a negotiated solution. Then the CIA hander must have called and "clarified" the situation for President Big Z
Even Zelensky himself didn’t believe (or at least didn’t publicly say) that Russia would invade lol.
Wasn't it a kind-of minor scandal when Biden's people were saying "We tried to warn you!" a day or two after Zelensky basically brushed off the possibility in a prior interview?
The only thing they were wrong about was they predicted Russia wouldn’t invade
Them and pretty much everyone on here, too.
Sure, but a lot of libs are now pretending that the left angle was not "the CIA is probably lying and Putin won't invade since it would be bad for him", but was instead "it is good if Russia invades". There is a big difference between "I think GW Bush won't invade Iraq, because that would be crazy" and "GW Bush should invade Iraq, it would be good". One is misreading a situation, the other is being very very wrong.
The only thing they were wrong about was they predicted Russia wouldn’t invade, but I still maintain that was the right thing to believe at the time.
CTH: "Invading Ukraine would be such a stupid idea. It would be an absolute quagmire that would degrade both countries and decimate the economy of the entire Eastern European region. No way Putin would be this foolhardy."
Putin: "I'm doing it"
Everything the Chapos warn would happen comes to pass
The Internet: "CTH was wrong on Russia."
Like I said, I think their reasoning was absolutely correct and I agreed with them then and have agreed with them on everything since. It was in fact a very stupid thing to do and thinking it wouldn’t happen was the reasonable prediction based on all evidence.
The logic that predicted Putin wouldn’t invade is the same logic that would’ve correctly predicted every similar situation in the last 20 years.
It's even weirder that he's criticizing them for not being anti-establishment enough
So he gets Aaron Mate on from Grayzone, who says that he's actually a Chapo fan and going to their live show, and Tucker breaks a quick smile. I don't know how to read that.
They are basically his evil opposite. Like he's the talking head for Nazis, and they were the most popular podcasters for commies.
The American people have no say in the national policies.
Policies don't spring from the soil fully-formed. Someone is implementing them. Someone is administering them. Someone is funding them. In America, all those people are Americans.
If Americans want a say in domestic policy, they can have it. They just have to... like... get together and do things to implement their own political vision.
How many wars have the American people managed to stop?
Wars are incredibly lucrative and have huge economic incentives behind them. Nixon was a shit, but he was right about the Silent Majority. Anti-War protesters make a bunch of noise. But the noise they make isn't representative of their clout. Often, its the opposite. After all, if you're getting what you want, there's no reason to complain.
The American People aren't a uniform group. They are a motley assortment of regional communities and corporate offices and social interest groups. And they degree to which they are engaged on a given issue, along with their polarity on that issue, varies significantly.
At some level, its important to recognize how many people are complicit in the function of empire, how many are entirely apathetic, and how many are only in opposition verbally.
If Americans want a say in domestic policy, they can have it. They just have to… like… get together and do things to implement their own political vision.
like voting :maybe-later-kiddo:
It's kinda like when they say the name of the movie in the dialogue of the movie.
Well said. Chapo has probably helped shift a fair share of people to the left. They have generally good politics, it's not a bad thing. But at the end of the day Chapo and all of the things in its orbit are still media. Never forget that content is a marketplace
Chapo Trap House teaches people about good politics, yet they have a podcast. Gotcha! They claim to be leftists, yet they are have money. Owned! They criticize society, yet they participate in it. Curious! :very-intelligent:
Its tiresome, because when you look at the times they were most involved - literally flying to England to block walk for Jeremy Corbyn, stumping for Sanders, posting up for various LA/NY City Council races, fund raising for Palestinians and Trans Activists and every other flavor of Leftist activist group - you can tell that they really want to do more. But they also get behind a lot of failed projects, and that can be demoralizing.
Meanwhile, the out-and-out most politically active member of the group was Virgil. And an anonymous Twitter thread was all it took for his own fans to write him off as a shade worse than Jeffery Epstein.
Sometimes it just feels like people bag on high profile leftists entirely because they haven't won yet. Oh, what's that? The Defund the Police Protests didn't bring in a new Bolshevik Government? Must be Will Menaker's fault for reviewing Bullworth.
Lol kind of a cartoonish response when all I said was they're good but they're still media.
I stopped listening to chapo in the middle of 2020 because their response to the biggest uprising in American history was “let’s talk about shitty NBC shows.” Do they have an anti-war stance on Ukraine now or do they not even talk about it?
It’s so damn bad. These so call “leftish” in the west are somehow go crazy in this war, and becoming war hawks day by days that f*cking Tucker Carlson call them out
Bernie, other than decent take on Cuba, don’t have any expectations for the dude that advocate for bombing Yugoslavia. Expect more from the “squad”, truly pathetic
If anything, it's exposing who's really a leftist and who just jumped on the bandwagon to shock their family members.
Tucker is a fascist. He espouses fascist ideology every night. He has guests on his show that are fascists. He's had guests on his show actually say that they're going to do fascism and that they have to do it because the left has gone too far. He tailors the image of his guests so that they appear more palatable. He very enthusiastically supported Kanye West while editing out the blatantly antisemitic parts. There was a scandal where Fox fired one of Tucker's staffers because he got posting fascist things on fascist internet forums. Tucker is a fascist.
You should seriously reconsider what you said. You just said that a fascist was right about leftists. Tucker was not speaking in good faith. Tucker was not telling the truth. Tucker was disparaging what he considers to be left because he's a fascist. If you see a fascist say something and you find yourself agreeing with them, you seriously need to reevaluate yourself as a leftist.
Broken clocks are wrong 99% of the time. The correct response to finding yourself aligning with a broken clock is not just shrugging it off. The correct response is to be concerned at the very least. If I found that my clock was aligning with a clock that I know to be broken, I would check to see that my own clock was correctly aligned.
Do you think that Tucker has actually listened to Chapo Trap House to see what they think? No. No. lmao. No he hasn't. He's just saying this to rile his base at leftists.
In the longer clip, Tucker says that Chapo Trap House is asking for the US to nuke Russia and "calling for radical race war every day". He also says that Russia is the "real" oppressed people. Just pure brainworms.
Tucker is not antiwar. Tucker is unironically pro-Russia. He's saying these things because he actually likes Russia and Putin, because Russia and Putin are far-right reactionary like he is.
I don't like Tucker or Chapo, and Tucker would support the war in Ukraine if Trump were the one doing it. As for Russia, the situation is complicated, but critical support for the battle against NATO is warranted, responsible as it is for mass murder in places like Yugoslavia and Libya. As Lenin wrote over a century ago, communists should focus primarily on destroying the bourgeoisie in our own countries first .
He’s a fascist, yes. But if a fascist call you out for his audience base that you being war hawks, you should reevaluate yourself as a leftish. Especially the one that has large follower base in Congress whom vote to pump more money to actual fascist.
Tucker was not speaking in good faith. Tucker is not against the war. Tucker is against supporting Ukraine because he supports Putin unironically.
He was not speaking in good faith. But some one on the left in the west that have large base need to step out and go against the war. The latest AOC stunt was horrendous, and let fascist like Tucker to take the anti war narrative is pathetic.
By "the latest AOC stunt", you mean the Tulsi Gabbard redditor crank yelling at her? The stan of Tulsi Gabbard who thinks that the left is being destroyed by cancel culture?
Again Tucker is not antiwar. You are being fooled. Tucker is pro-Russia. He doesn't want ukraine to receiving funding because he supports Russia. Russia is also reactionary and not good and not the USSR.
Fascists have tried to hijack leftists movements since the beginning of fascism. That's what fascists do.
I mean the redditor that said she indirectly pushing us closer nuclear war with a nuclear nation by pumping money into a fascist govt. I think that more important than Tulsi bit. Like seriously, you need to reevaluate yourself if you think pumping more money into Ukraine is a good idea, and not seeking a diplomatic result, like Clare Daly and Mick Wallace. A least the latter using their platform and advocate for diplomatic solution, stop the pumping money and weapons, what the “squad” has done other than towing the state dept line and pumping more money for the fascist govt in Ukraine?
I didn't say any of those things. To think that AOC is responsible or in control for this situation is ungrounded. The fact that the redditor is a Tulsi fan, who is a right wing grifter, should have been a clue for you. Tucker uses AOC as the punching bag of the left. Tucker is only saying that the US shouldn't give funding to Ukraine because he support Russia. Tucker also brings up that the money would be better spent in America, which he is also lying about because he opposes help working class people. He's just lying.
Ukraine and Russia are both reactionary and right wing but there should not be a war because civilians are the victims. There are innocent people being killed.
Again Tucker is not antiwar, he supports Russia. He supports Putin. Tucker is not antiwar. He's not calling out warhawks. You are being fooled. You should recognize this because he's a fascist.
Again, what I asked is what Granit said, the "leftish" in congress, especially the squad should use their platform and advocate for an diplomatic off ramp against a nuclear nation as oppose itching closer to it by pumping money and silent about it. You know what a nuclear war mean, what a third world war mean? Dude, if those two break then no one give two sh*te about who fascist or who not, because we all gonna get annihilated.
https://youtu.be/WN5BdM65zcQ?t=384
This is a clip of AOC saying that she doesn't want to support funding to ukraine because she's antiwar and she's worried about the military industrial complex
https://twitter.com/JosBtrigga
https://twitter.com/NoggatoneThese are the 2 reactionary clowns that interrupted AOC. One is a Larouchite and the other is a magacommunism patsoc. :funny-clown-hammer:
Buddy is like 5 years behind in terms of popular communist media and platforms. Yawn. Wake me up when he starts calling out creators on communist TikTok 🥱
What does dancing underwear girl in the ushanka and half Tshirt have to say about this??
I want the chapo clip "the villages" or "the troops BBQ" or that one bit about fuddruckers to be played live and uncut on fox News just to see the sound of screaming kettles boiling being the brains of the hogs moments before they squeal until they're red in the face
