I'd just laugh at this fucking dork if he wasn't a perpetrator and promoter of sexual violence and slavery. Real monsters exist, and he is one of them.
The whole saga with this guy appearing out of nowhere as some sort of role model for dudes and then abruptly thrown into a Romanian prison is so fucking funny to me
It gives me a fresh layer of :doomer: to teach kids that talk about Taint out loud by name and talk about, (CW: sexual violence)
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quote, "chokefucking" their future girlfriends to "put them in their place."
If it makes you feel better when I was a kid browsing shitty places (i.e. chans) on the internet my friends and I made plenty of terrible "jokes" about shit like that and we all just outgrew it
I was there too.
It's still not a good thing to count on the exceptions or "growing out of it." I'd rather nazi hellholes didn't exist at all, or at least weren't so easily available.
No it's not a good thing we were exposed to it either, I agree. I'm just saying don't let it taint your hope for the kids too much, most of em will just get past it if a bit more jaded than they should be
No it’s not a good thing we were exposed to it either
I've had to banish racist, homophobic, transphobic, and even ableist terminology and beliefs from myself over time.
We are not immune to propaganda, no matter how "funny" it was when we received it.
I’m just saying don’t let it taint your hope for the kids too much
I try not to, though I do try to encourage them to consider that the girls in their class are fellow human beings, to mixed results.
What...the....fuck.
Why aren't they getting thrown in juvie for admitting to wanting to do crime?
There's a good chance they'll stop being shitheads once they reach maturity, but send them to present juvie if you want to assure they won't!
There's just enough distance between stated intent and actual persons, because their future girlfriends are only theoretical for now. :doomer:
Edit: Plus, the desired actions that those boys talk about are dreadfully common in mainstream porn now.
A lot of my early exposure to sexual content was online porn. I saw how violent, racist, and misogynist a lot of it was, and basically thought "Wow, this is what sex is about? In that case, I hate it."
Depressing how many young men apparently instead went :awooga: "Hell yeah sign me up"
Growing up with shit like stolen playboy/esquire mags and the lingerie section of the sears catalog sounds so pedestrian compared to the shit kids can find on their phones these days, it's fucked up.
I hate that the whole "5 black guy 1 white girl" thing is not only popular, but also become a meme. Like it just so fucking racist and sexist at the same time.
Also "ebony" or any weird ass skin category name really feels so dehumanizing that I just dont understand how people did not get turned off from that.
if you stick to amateur, non-hardcore porn you can develop a porn addiction without the violence and bigotry
for real tho, i was a porn addict who thought i was being healthy by not consuming the over-produced/hardcore stuff. it will still fuck up ur life, im glad i kicked that addiction
I ask my enemies to make a choice
Choice? I made my mind up as soon as you said "One, they kill me":gigachad:
homie out here tweeting like he's a Venture Bros villain.
"Ah! You got me monologuing!"
True, which I suppose makes him even MORE pathetic.
More pathetic than the goofy villains in a cartoon about failure. Damn, that's something.
One, they kill me
Start pressing that #1 button so fast my palm starts bleeding
I once stayed awake and prepared for Mortal Kombat as well. My mom bought me Ecco the Dolphin instead.
It's extremely hard. Of course, when I was a dumb little kid it took me over a week to get out of the first section. Didn't get much better from there.
I just love the drama in this tweet. What a fucking post, man. The knowledge that there's a real human being out here thinking like this is such a perfect little nugget of hilarity.
I am once again asking the "everything is material conditions" people to at least consider that it probably isn't good that there is a fascist human trafficker that encourages domestic violence as a practice to impressionable teenage boys, and that the way his hateful propaganda is received and processed isn't entirely dependent on the pocketbooks/allowances of his audience.
I didn't say material conditions were not a factor. I said it's a mistake to dogmatically state that it is the only factor for how people think, believe, behave, and act.
EDIT: Oops, I just realized you were agreeing with me. :sweat:
“material conditions are most important
I'm not even arguing against that and I conditionally agree.
I just don't like when someone gets so knee-jerk about defending the slop they consume that they claim that the propaganda in their slop has no effect on its consumers whatsoever and that people would think, believe, behave, and act exactly the same way without the presence of that propaganda.
Those people either don't have Fox News relatives or refuse to believe that being told hateful conspiracy theory shit all day every day can have an effect on people, because they might feel guilty about something else they themselves watch.
I really hope no one on this site thinks that this can’t happen
I would wish for the same but I know it's not the case.
In the past I've been dogmatically told that people would do exactly the same things with or without their entertainment's messaging/propaganda, no matter what, as a sort of material-deterministic absolutist statement. The example I gave in the past was the "fight clubs" that broke out after the Brad Pitt movie became popular. The dogmatic and unprovable claim was that those "fight clubs" would have appeared anyway, out of the aether, all on their own because of "material conditions."
It just seemed like an excuse to consume trash without feeling bad about it.
The alternative I always propose is to consume that trash while being aware of the propaganda and accepting that it's there and that it can influence people. After all, the con artist rulebook states that one of the easiest ways to spot a sucker is to find (or make) someone that believes that they can't be a sucker.
I agree with you, but it still seems selectively and perhaps deliberately ignorant if someone declares that their entertainment doesn't contribute to those conditions.
Dialectical materialism doesn’t deny communication, but merely does not pretend (as liberal idealism does) that people’s minds are made up by mainly intellectual and aesthetic sensibilities.
I agree with you there once again.
I believe that the overcorrection makes a similar mistake with a similar outcome, with a similar motive: people don't want to feel influenced by the conditions around them (be they physically material or intangible information) and want to feel independent of such influences.
Unfortunately, yes.
Old arguments, old struggle sessions, but they exist.
That's a laughably wrong opinion. Generations of documented con artistry techniques indicate that some of the most gullible people are those that think they're immune to being fooled.
Yeah Dialectical Materialism, not Naive Materialism. The latter is techbro bazinga brainworms. Ideology exists and is important. heck Dialectical Materialism is an ideology!
heck Dialectical Materialism is an ideology!
There is no escaping the trash can. We can only choose better trash cans. :zizek-preference:
Ideology and propaganda grow out of material conditions and the “industry” that creates them is based in material reality. Just because it is spread over the internet doesn’t mean it isn’t material.
For instance, in this case there’s a material basis that causes content like this guy’s rises to the top of YouTube and becomes visible.
Sure, call it material and part of material conditions and I won't even argue against that.
What I will argue against is the belief that some have that propaganda doesn't influence people because people would have done the exact same things with or without that propaganda exposure.
Saying propaganda doesn’t influence people is anti-materialist lol, I hope nobody is actually saying that. If propaganda didn’t work it wouldn’t be so ubiquitous. This seems like pretty basic base/superstructure shit that anyone calling themselves a Marxist should understand.
Not yet in this thread, but old struggle sessions way back did make that claim. I won't name names.
Isn't Andrew tate materially real. Thus him talking to you is a material condition
lol, it's more like Andrew Tate's mere ideas do not have the ability to change the world. And it's true, if the young men did not have the material conditions they do that makes them receptive to a fuckhead like Tate, he'd be just some asshole somewhere on the internet no one cares about - and he probably wouldn't exist as the trafficker, abuser, and moronic asshole he is without the material conditions of the 90s and 00s US shaping him. He needs the internet manosphere and redpill culture and rape culture and sexist/homophobic etc US to become who he is and feed into that culture. And all of those exist for material reasons - misogyny, for example, because capitalism needs domestic/reproductive labor to be done for free or cheaply as possible. And his followers needed to be brought up in the 00s and mostly 10s to be receptive, the gen z hopelessness of growing up knowing there is no future for America or the world due to climate change or infinite polycrises with no solution absent revolution and especially when they all got shunted online because of covid for a hot minute, I don't think he was super popular until after 2020.
He thinks he's the centre of the universe, doesn't he?
Eat shit, abuser
"I will stay awake tonight prepared for mortal combat" certainly is a way to say "i can't sleep because i'm afraid my cellmates will shank me and because the rats come out of the walls at night to eat my toes"
Using your few phone calls from a prison in a neoliberal hellhole to post on twitter instead of talking to your lawyer
:saul-stare: your honor, my client has the god given right to post
In Romania, prisoners under open, semi-open or closed regimes or awaiting transfer can make ten phone calls per day, not exceeding 60 minutes for a single call.
Prisoners under maximum security regimes may make up to three phones calls per day, not exceeding 30 minutes per call.
The only way to beat him is a leftist talking like an anime protagonist.
JK idiot got taken out by his own hubris.
I know it's :LIB: flavored but still funny when Greta Thunberg tweeted "this is what you get when you don't recycle pizza boxes."
that whole thing is just so iconic. A guy talked rudely to a girl ten years younger than him at least unprompted and, due to not cleaning his room(:jbp:) got arrested.
His target audience is edgy alienated young teen boys with emotional problems that love that edgy loner vs the world shtick, so this is on-brand and well targeted at the correct audience.
man life in prison sure does suck, no people to smuggle, no lamborghinis, lights are out at 10PM...
I hope he spends an amount of time being very bored in prison, gets food poisoning and then quietly shits himself to death
