https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2023/02/18/698461/US-antiwar-rally-washington
Anti-war is anti war, full stop. If you're preening and hemming and hawing about how any sort of anti-war action is bad, you're an arm-chair ultra-leftist. The Liberals joined us on the protest line against the Vietnam invasion, abandoned us in the march to massacre Iraq and Afghanistan, and are actively against us in trying to balkanize Russia with China in their cross sights after they're done. The inverse is true with the Republicans, with the caveat that all of this flips once more on its head the moment they trade out the fossil in the white house.
On the singular issue of fighting against american imperialism in the name of Anti-war, you do not get to pick who's joining you on the protest line - that's chosen for you by the historical conditions that lead to this moment in time - you play with the cards you're dealt with and you do your best to push the odds in your favor.
side note, I sure as hell ain't holding my breath for this event, but I'll be increasingly jokerfied if it actually starts gaining ground lmao.
Are you against American imperialism and against NATO expansionism?
What if I'm against American Imperialism, NATO expansionism, and red/brown alliances?
American fascists, such as misanthropic or the atomwaffen's "National Socialist Order", nor are the fascist-infiltrated paramilitary groups aren't organizing anti-war protests, they're either participating in the war and getting blown up right now, or agitating for the war, or attempting to accelerate the american collapse through terrorist actions.
I'm done with this. If you and your org think this is the proper course, I'm not going to talk you out of it and you're not going to talk me into it. I'll tell you this, seeing who you all are willing to align with and who your twitter is platforming, I certainly don't feel like PCUSA are my allies right now.
You're more than entitled to your very respectable opinion. So as long as you're against American imperialism and against NATO intervention in the Ukraine War then I'll personally consider you an ally on the issue.
I would gladly burn this country to the ground and live in relative poverty if it would end American imperialism and I could live in peace with the woman I love.
to be blunt, unideological right-wing hogs who're usually herded by reactionary sheepdogs towards interests of empire.
Loud mouth morons who happen to be saying something reasonable even if it is for all the wrong reasons?
That’s not true, I am organizing with ANSWER Coalition, The People’s Forum, PSL, CodePink in a principled event to demand peace. Not a bunch of fascists, libertarians, and patsoc grifters.
So lets get this straight for everyone reading this,
This persons response to the fact that "red/brown alliances are bad" is "nothing can be done without allying with fascists".
So in other words, our hero here want a repeat of what happened to all the communists, bless their hearts, who tried a red/brown alliance in
nazilandg*rmany during the mid 20th century.What a fucking genius.
:amerikkka-clap: :amerikkka-clap: :amerikkka-clap:
doing something automatically being better than doing nothing is some liberal :brainworms: that some of us apparently still need to work on
don't pour water on a grease fire y'know?
I'd rather be alone in my house than not alone in my house with Tucker Carlson.
If the only option to defeat fascists is to align with different fascists, then it's time for the nukes to fly.
I mean, unless you're signatory to the Grand Red/Brown Alliance Treaty all you're doing is giving brown shirts the power to alter your policy choices by doing whatever they want.
Let me, for this comment, speak officially as a cadre of the party. This is purely my opinion and perspective that is resulting from my own personal experience, that is to say what I've seen and what I've heard.
The Party of Communists USA is unilaterally against American Imperialism and any attempt of NATO expansionism into Ukraine. On this critical, and singular, issue that can lead to a world war and nuclear extinction - we have cooperated or participated with any political organization that has this goal as well. This means that if there is a pan-left united front in California that is primarily organized by Trotskyite parties that is organizing anti-war protests, which there is, then PCUSA will participate in coalition to grow the west coast anti-war sentiments, which it has. This means if PSL was organizing an anti-war protest on the east coast against further funding of the Ukraine War and encourages everyone to come and march with them, which they did, then PCUSA will join their protest event and help agitate against the war with them other groups, which it has. If a because by the circumstance of a blue ghoul is in the white house causing a war leads a bunch of hogs and burned out bernie bros to organize an anti-war rally, then any members of PCUSA around there may go there to educate and agitate the people that go there to adopt more anti-war and anti-fascist positions than whatever's planned to be said there.
Secondly, and this is still with my cadre hat on, neither the politburo nor the central committee has made any decision on this because thats a completely irrelevant topic of discussion that would waste valuable time. All clubs can reserve their opinions on the topic and can choose what actions they wish to take to further accomplish their tasks, be that focusing on anti-war agitation, researching historical documents to compile books, entering club members into workplaces with the purpose of unionizing them, doing agitprop art projects, or generally vibing if they're a sole member in an isolated area.
If you have any follow-up questions, or witty comments feel free to state them, be they general or official
Official hat on, I'll forward your comment to the Social Media Department. the split of the ultra-left faction hit the SMD the hardest since all of the splitters were terminally online leftists that manned our internet stuff, which is a shame since they were quite good at it.
And since you tacked on that edit, I'll add that insofar as I am aware on the west coast, when the CPI leadership dissolved itself on the east coast then Maupin undissolved CPI, the west coast CPI split between a few maupin loyalists and quite a few more people that wanted to wash their hands of the group and decided to do their own thing. The group that decided to go their own way are a portion of the pan-left anti-war group ran by Trotskyites and by proximity are the only, formerly associated, 'maupinite' group the party has worked indirectly with since the very fun revelation about his behavior was revealed.
The person saying the event is good and should be supported turning out to support the event isn't exactly a gotcha
Yeah totally, it's cool to form an "anti-war coalition" with a bunch of people frothing at the mouth for a US-China war.
We live in a fascist nation filled with fascist imperialists on both sides of the fake political spectrum. Any opposition to war is going to temporarily align with whatever fascist party is out of power, that is no reason not to oppose imperialist war
You had no problem rallying with libertarians in 2001 to oppose the Iraq War because the GOP was in power, so the DNC nag at the back of your head was soothed. Now it’s blaring alarm bells and it still has power over you, you still have residual liberalism holding you down
JFC, I'm not arguing against oppossing the war, quit putting words in my mouth. Starting a coalition with a group of people banging the war drums against China isn't anti-war, it's arguing for the bureaucraric reallocation of resources to another front. This is not opposing war. The only thing will functionally accomplish is laundering the reputation of a bunch of right-wingers who, when the time comes for war with China, will be able to hold up their credentials as having been against "the bad war", so you can trust them when they support "the good war". And they will say "see, even the left knows I'm trustworthy" and show everyone a picture of you and them holding hands.
And no, I didn't have a problem with the Libertarian Party opposing the Iraq War because I was a fucking 13 year old. I've since grown up and realized that you actually aren't going to get many working class people to buy into your message when they see you in a partnership with people who think the minimum wage and labor protections should be abolished.
How is calling for the abolition of NATO and the CIA furthering war towards China?
The Iraq war had a better anti-war movement than the current state of the US, so maybe you should take lessons of mass movements from them and stop being a purity scold, a perfect example of the isolating idealist failures of the western left
Yes I think they are serious about their list of demands. If a mass movement forms around a platform of demands, you must take it seriously
Oh, Lt. Col. Tulsi Gabbard is for the dissolution of the CIA and NATO? That's quite a view for an active US Army Officer.
The Iraq war had a better anti-war movement than the current state of the US, so maybe you should take lessons of mass movements from them and stop being a purity scold, a perfect example of the isolating idealist failures of the western left
Yeah, how did that go. Did you stop the Iraq War?
This tendency stopped the Vietnam War and pressured South Africa into collapsing and stopped support of Rhodesia. All these movements involved libertarians and dumb normal people who don’t have good opinions on everything.
Just to be clear, your good and correct socialist opinion is that anti-war mass movements are pointless and we shouldn’t bother?
No, this tendency did not stop the Vietnam War. What bunch of American-centric nonsense. "Uh actually, it was all the white Americans holding up signs that stopped the Vietnam War". Fierce and effective resistance to imperialism by the Vietnamese people and the massive financial drain that the Vietnamese War caused on the US economy stopped the Vietnam War.
They also weren't the ones who stopped apartheid, either, South Africans stopped apartheid.
The white saviors have come to hexbear.
First off I would argue you're confusing the bumbling hogs with the ghoul sheepdogs that want to herd them.
Second off they're frothing at the mouth to stop a US-Russia war in the here and now.
And Donald Trump didn't support the Iraq War. How did that go for Palestine? What about Venezuela or Bolivia? Was he actually principled in his anti-war stance, or did he just use his status as being "against the bad war" as a reason for why you should trust him about these "good wars"? Do you think that it benefits the blob to have people like an active US Army officer who they can hold up as "one of the good ones" if and when Ukraine goes really sideways for NATO, so that they can bang the drum for the next war?
Go ahead and oppose the war, but when you do it with some of these people, understand that you are helping to establish their credentials for the future war.
And democrats are?
If you opposed any war with them in the past understand you actively helped establish their credentials for the present war.
Is your group taking part on the ANSWER rally or are you only organizing with Libertarians and LaRouchites?
We've shown up to every anti-war rally that we've been aware of. It's pretty simple you know.
That's not an answer to my question. Are you officially participating in the ANSWER rally?
While I'm in complete disagreement with Alaskaball here, this is a stupid fucking comment and you should delete it. Stop fedjacketing people you disagree with.
They will not because they do not exist as a remotely coherent ideological unit within the U.S. They have no actual political structures to draw from, no real backing or base of support, and it takes years of de-programming to get people to think in an even remotely principled left-wing manner, let alone begin to organize and execute a political agenda on those principles.
pessimism
Shit like this makes me doomer as hell. A bunch of millionaires leading weirdos protesting the war, not because it’s imperialist infighting, but because it’s woke and gay or some other nonsense.
The people who said “never again” after the Iraq war have 0 interest in that principle. What is to be done? “Organize” the 5 random people in your neighborhood, 1 of them being an FBI informant? What does that even look like? Stand in front of the embassy? Yell at some politicians who are dusting their $6000 suit as they walk to work? Aside from straight killing somebody, all this shit seems pointlessly performative.
1 of them being an FBI informant
if we all organized the 5 people in our neighborhood they'd eventually run out of agents :think-about-it:
I don't care about their workings out they got the right answer
Nobody likes any of these people. Other than ron paul, only like 0.25% of the country knows about any of these goons
reporting on them just makes actual leftists look crazy which is an objective of the state department
I agree but these speakers aren't leftists
I'd rather not have my political opinions associated with right-wing antivaxxers
That's not how movements work. People who agree on the issue being able to work towards a shared goal even if they disagree fundamentally about everything else is a sign of a successful campaign.
The anti-vietnam war movement wasn't all leftists either
Yeah, that would be true if we weren't talking about fascists. Theres no good that will ever come from joining a movement with fascists
reverse night of long knives, but if we had the ability to do that we could just do it without the fake teamup
Interesting, most of the residents of the third world are terrorized by the imperialist fascist empire regardless of which imperialist fascist party is in charge
Those are good things, sure, but what exactly is the strategy for how this group hopes to achieve them? Making demands that you have no power to back up is pointless idealism.
The BLM marches were at least willing to use force to make their point, this event is just "Hey pls stop your massively profitable war because we're asking nicely
Yeah dude, protesting against police murder is definitely the same thing as the going to a rally with Tulsi Gabbard, Jimmy Dore and the Libertarian party.
Yeah dude, protesting against imperialism and world war 3 is definitely the same thing as the going to a rally with Kamala Harris, Joe Biden and the Democratic Party
A nationwide movement with aims like "stop killing black people" or "spend less money on cops" is being a lot more realistic than a handful of cranks saying "disband NATO."
Looks like a pretty clear message of ending the war, not a whole bunch of other stuff that's obviously never going to happen. Also doesn't look to be run by chud grifters lol.
Faux red-brown alliance anti war rally? Sounds fucked up
There has been a failure of the American "left" to occupy this space first. the democratic party (including Bernie and "The Squad" ) is unanimous in their support of NATO's imperialist proxy war, fails to understand (or deliberately ignores) any history before february 2022, and AOC even dismissed anti-war people at her own town hall meeting as "Larouchites".
Noam Chomsky and Vijay Prashad are both correct about this conflict, but there isn't any activism to rally around their perspective. So the contrarian right who think Putin is based trad homophobe christian leader and supports Russia to own the libs (rather than being sincerely against NATO) have taken to shitting up the discourse and occupying the space that should be occupied by the anti-war left. The crisis of unipolar US-led globalization have broken the brains of the American "left."
There isn't an American left in mainstream politics. If you mean the american left parties, then they have all been uniformly anti war, but thet are tiny and no one listens to them; even the shit CPUSA national org has had a strong anti nato anti ukraine war line. The only time you see Americans in general organize in significant numbers for an anti war position is when it actively involves American citizens fighting and dying. Talking about the "American left" as a coherent entity is like talking about fucking unicorns.
There was so much hope in the old sub as people like AOC and Sanders were trying to win. They hadn't seen it before. Every "left" politician in the US bends the knee to the point of giving up on even the milquetoast slightly-left things they said when they were new.
I should have known better lol. I knew all about George Bush stealing the election, COINTELPRO and all that shit. But man, when Bernie starting pulling real numbers and getting results right out of the gate (which would have carried any other candidate to victory off pure media attention alone) I could feel the hopium. Normal people I knew in real life were talking about nonprofit healthcare and shit because every candidate was forced to ape Bernie's position on it.
I think if sanders had won we might have seen something. Like I don't think the world would have shifted overnight, but that kind if success for a left wing movement might have given some coherence to the real energy that was there and the desperate desire for change that everyone still feels. Unfortunately getting owned by the dems really just scattered anything that might have been. I don't think an electoral strategy is possible anymore, it is too discredited by sanders loss; assuming electoralism was ever really viable to begin with, a sentiment I am partial to thinking it wasn't really.
Fair enough, and my apologies for calling you out. I guess I am just tired of endless pessimism and your post was unlucky enough to trigger me.
:this: yeah, that's the problem when the US "lefts" most prominent public figures are social fascists with no understanding of internationalism let alone understanding imperialism
So when a candate deliberately leaves out a foreign policy tab in thier issues page that's a big red flag.
Using the fucking term "Larouchites" makes me realize how AOC has to know by now how compromised she is and beholden to the power structures the democratic party has created to fucking smother anything tangentially left.
Exactly. The American left/radical liberals did some vote triangulation politics nonsense to support the war because they don't want to lose the support of liberals and the democratic party, who they got into bed with. They put out one very mild anti war statement (that letter from the squad) to test the waters, saw the push back from liberals and immediately withdrew their statement.
Teaming up with democrats will cause the death of social progressive and more left wing views. Once democrats can't hold minorities hostage by holding their human rights over their heads, they will lose their votes too, little by little. This gives the "third way" (we all know what that is) a perfect opportunity to strike.
This is what I can piece together as a non American.
have taken to shitting up the discourse and occupying the space that should be occupied by the anti-war left
Ok but isn't it a good thing that someone is occupying the space.
someone is occupying the space.
no, because as I said, the right's """anti-war""" position is more out of a contrarian admiration of Putin and there is no sincere anti-imperialism among the right.
wall of text if you care about this
They support Putin against "d3generate globohomo judeobolshevism" and other such nonsense spectres they've conjured up in their own heads. If you go to the right spaces on the internet (corners of 4chan for instance) you can see this in action, but you can also see it on Tucker Carlson. The American, Canadian, British and European right have taken to thinking of their own governments and international institutions as Communist conspiracies (despite enormous evidence to the contrary). They do not oppose the actual existing privileges of unipolar western hegemony, they just hate it when they see a NATO official wave a rainbow flag and they support Putin who they see as a based anticommunist Christian crusader fighting Satanism or something. They have an incoherent narrative. Meanwhile, "respectable liberals" who support these imperialist institutions have to convince their voters that imperialism is actually progressive, hence the bad-faith attempt to pretend their proxy war against Russia is about protecting progressive European values. Hence the pinkwashing of imperialism, the attempt to falsely gain support for imperialism by pretending these imperialist institutions are progressive, or attempting to support feminism/LGBT. This strategy dates to the 19th century, when British imperialism in Afghanistan and French imperialism in Africa were framed as attempts to liberate women from backwards cultures, and so on. There is a yin-yanging between the bourgeois liberals and conservatives in the imperial core, for lack of a better term. the conservative bourgeoisie will falsely appear progressive for being "anti-war" for contrarian and absurd reasons. The liberals bourgeoisie will support imperialism while appearing to support bringing "human rights" to the "backwards east" with "lethal aid."
The real cause of this war is complicated. Russia was a source of cheap energy for Europe. Nordstream Pipeline brought natural gas to Germany in a cheap, predictable way without fluctuating price points. The Germans then sold it to other Europeans. However America wanted to sell Europe liquid natural gas. Problem is, it's expensive, has to be shipped by boat, and fluctuates in price. Europe didn't actually want that shit. So they sought out Russian energy because it was cheaper. Meanwhile Ukraine was about to tighten its relationship with Russia in 2014. President Yanukovych was faced with a choice between a $17 billion high interest IMF loan that came with strings attached (anti-labor measures, austerity, deregulation, imperialist looting of natural resources, the usual), or a Russian aid package that was $15 billion, lower interest, and came with cheap energy deals. He chose the Russian aid package. So America couped him, brought Poroshenko (president) and Yatsenyuk (prime minister) to power. Poroshenko helped integrate nazi gangs into the Ukrainian military, who were receiving training and weapons from America through the CIA front National Endowment for Democracy. Meanwhile Yatsenyuk canceled the Russian aid deal and took the IMF loan, plunging ukraine into poverty, putting Ukrainian farm land into the hands of foreign (US-allied) companies, etc. The communist party of Ukraine was banned in 2015 for being "Russian influenced." The Russian language was no longer to be taught in public schools despite a significant population in the Southeastern half the country speaking it as a first language, and so on. Crimea held a referendum to become part of Russia. It passed. Russia annexed Crimea. Donetsk and Luhansk in Ukraine started their own separatist movements and the government began a civil war against Donetsk and Luhansk that saw the Odessa massacre in a trade union hall , as well as the shelling of Donetsk with artillery. So only after 8 years of civil war did Russia finally invade Ukraine when the threat of Ukraine joining NATO (NATO membership usually involves US stationing bases/weapons in Ukraine, close to Moscow) reached a fever pitch. The main cause of the war is US financial interference in Ukraine, and NATO expansion. Both NATO and Russia are attempting to have influence in Ukraine, but the escalation arguably began with the coup in 2014. I don't know much about the orange revolution in 2004, but some have pointed to that as also a US-backed color revolution. And to an extent, the privatization of the Russian economy by Yeltsin was also US-backed, since the USA poured billions into Yeltsin's election campaign, and supported his shelling of the Russian parliament. So the aggression on NATO's part goes back decades.
Yes every part of how they got to their position is backwards and stupid but as Putin isn't actually doing the war to repress foreign gay rights I'm not going to take that seriously
if they accidentally harm American imperial interests out of misguided bigotry I am still going to take the damage to imperial interests as a win
if they accidentally harm American imperial interests out of misguided bigotry
not what is happening. For them to harm American imperial interests, they would have to actually be opposed to them in a non-symbolic way. But their opposition is purely symbolic.
they are opposed to the war in Ukraine. Blocking money to the Ukraine war isn't symbolic it's real
ah, but that's the sleight of hand. They'd rather be in a proxy war with China over Taiwan instead! Also another reason their opposition is purely symbolic is that it's a partisan opposition rather than a political opposition. If Ron DeSantis or Dan Crenshaw got elected tomorrow and continued escalating, I don't think they wouldn't care anymore.
Ron Paul whatever you may think of him is not a fascist. Fascism proposes that war and the profits from it are the primary engine of technological progress and modernisation. A fascist would not be anti-war. The fascists like the proud boys went and fought in Ukraine
Eh, libertarians in the US are just a different kind of fascist as far as im concerned. They're pro-apartheid because of the fig leaf of "property rights" but really theyre just rascists, "anti-war" but only because theyre isolationist who don't understand where the treats come from. The reason they don't support empire is because they think treats materialize from atlas shrugged style industrialists and not from imperial exploitation of the global south. Ron Paul has always been full of shit and a racist clown.
The US empire isn't fascist either it is liberal. Liberalism includes the violent economic exploitation of the global south for imperial benefit a notable example of such a liberal state would be the British empire.
fascism is a specific ideological framework which is incompatible with libertarianism. Both of them are bad but not equally so and it's incorrect to lump them in together
I don't get pedantic when it comes to fash. Its fash all the way down. Liberals are just fash who don't know it yet, but will be in a crisis of capital. Social democracy is the left wing of fascism etc.
That's an awful lot of effort to put into sabotaging a movement that does not exist
Im suprised Yang isn't getting in on this sheepdog/grifter convention
Tulsi's gonna be there though, they can't have too many walkaway types or the grift will be too obvious for even chuds to ignore.
Yeah, besides, being anti-war probably isnt "forward" enough for Yang
True, but he's also pro-attention/pro grifting so it wouldn't suprise me if he showed up anywhere lol. But, yeah he's more mainline in his positions (to the extent those positions mean anything) than this crowd.
Great I hope they achieve all of these goals and no other goals
Yes. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure they don't really care about any of those goals, and just want to further other goals
there is no generic anti-war politics at all there is only being against each individual war
Yet the thread on that pure rally is filled with more people like you calling it impure and associated with grifters and nitpicking it.
anti war right
That is such a fucking weird phrase to read.
How did it come to this?
lol this is the one endorsed by Posobiec and CPI weirdos.
Totally normal and safe. And normal.
Tbh, I'm getting major flashbacks to the astroturfed Tea Party rally against Healthcare back in the day.
I don't know how anyone here can have existed during the Trump era and genuinely think these fucking goons are "anti-war".
They're anti-Democrat they don't give any actual fucks about war and imperial slaughter. If they had a coherent worldview they'd be the most pro-war people on Earth.
I doubt any anti-War in Ukraine movement is going to get anywhere. There are not many Americans dying there. It's just :brrrrrrrrrrrr: at the moment.
Even the economic impact on the US has been far less compared to Europe.
This post doesn't need 300+ fucking comments. I'll just say this:
Unless your rally is willing enough to engage in rioting or other forms of illegalism and adventurism, then it's nothing more than a glorified parade and a recruitment drive for the orgs that organized the event. This is regardless of whether the rally is a Sanders rally or a pro-Ukraine rally or the "bad" anti-war rally or the "good" anti-war rally. The George Floyd riots were effective precisely because they were just that: riots. Not every BLM rally in 2020 became riots, but it's the threat of rioting that kept the pigs on their toes. Once the ops came in to sabotage the rallies from within as part of a counterinsurgency strategy, then the rallies became glorified parades and hence useless.
agree whole heartily, i do think these do serve a purpose of unifying colations together for a specific cause, if used well.
True though parades are useful if you get names and make lists at them.
Basically libs like these displays and this is one way to reach them. You can also use it as an opportunity for name recognition: oh hey, X Org was at the protest! They are anti-war ans the person I talked to was pretty chill.
The funny thing is, that you can call irl groups “feds”, “deep state”, “infiltrated”, etc. all you want on hexbear.net. But it’s a breach of the rules to do the same to accounts. That’s “fedjacketing”. Anyway I better log off -I have a protest to attend.
Yeah. Must not besmirch the reputation of BallzLigma420 but feel free to shit on communist organizations vaguely
Weird how they're not protesting for Russia to end the war immediately by withdrawing. Surely there's no other motivations behind this right?
Why would Americans protest for Russia’s government to do something? That’s just imperialist intrigue. You have no control over other nation’s governments and you shouldn’t be rallying with your own against the enemies of your empire. It’s correct of them not to attack Russia.
Nobody is attacking Russia. Defending yourself (and your allies) against an aggressor is always the correct choice. These protestors could be in front of the Russian embassy but strangely enough that's not going to happen. I wonder why?
nobody is attacking russia
NATO expansion
attempted or successful color revolutions in neighbors of russia: Syria, Belarus, Georgia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan...
I wonder why every neighbor of Russia is being absorbed into NATO or turned into a battlefield
:LIB:
I agree recognizing Russia defending the Donbass republics from NATO armed Ukrainian neo-nazis should be at the forefront of the American anti-war movement
I mean, I know they're operating in bad faith, but this is logically sound. They're protesting their government for actions they can control. Why would they be protesting in Washington for Russia to end the war?
People around the world rightfully protested against the Iraq war, you can argue both ways.
Largely those protests were to stop their government joining in
"Largely" is putting heavy work here, in the UK for example there was the Stop the war coalition. Remember your history. people actualy protested asking the US to move out of Iraq not just for their tax bucks to stop flowing to the war effort.
you know the stop the war coalition was protesting Blair right. I was there
those people weren't living in the seat of global imperial power, which is arming the fascists on the other side of the conflict
y'all need to read some god damn lenin what the fuck are these liberal takes getting upvotes for here
What the fuck are you people even talking about?
Like read a god damn wiki before briging your witty takes instead? Iraq war protests Feb 2003
Not exhaustive list of cities major cities: Berlin, London, Paris, Madrid, Lisbon, Syndey.
Clearly Germany, UK, France, Spain, Portugal, Australia are not in the seat of the global imperialist center rofl.
I wasn't even argueing in favor of protesting, just the fact there is no "logic" that says you can only protest shit your own government is doing. The war was lead by the US. Only the US had the power to stop the war.
Iraq War was an act of imperialist aggression. The Ukraine conflict is defense against imperialist aggression. It’s fine for those outside an empire to protest an empire attacking others. It’s not OK for those within the empire to rally their own empire to support the war narratives of their own core
Sure. I was only arguing against the logic you can only protest shit your own government is doing. That is clearly no logic at all.
Shit like this makes me doomer as hell. A bunch of millionaires leading weirdos protesting the war, not because it’s imperialist infighting, but because it’s woke and gay or some other nonsense.
daily reminder this country sucks
