Communism = no labor
https://twitter.com/jamie_elizabeth/status/1638663189255561218?s=20
This quote makes too much sense so I'm going to bend over backward to read it as if it says something different
she actually thinks she'll get to sit around and think about stuff all day under communism? i thought that was just a joke
:wojak-nooo: But I wanted to be a coal miner!
:programming-communism: Shut up and get back on Reddit!
reddit is still going to exist under your version of communism
ok that's it. I'm making my own splinter
If we don't keep Adrian Chiles columnist job under communism I want no part in it
I mean, isn't that basically what trendy New York podcasters do. (Producers are comrades)
Once again trying to convince liberals that bread is the product of labor: growing wheat, making bread, plus transport and distribution
This is just that dumb "people would just like... make insulin" discourse again. Stupid and pointless.
I would simply make insulin in my bath tub for the commune :very-smart:
And if my insulin wasn't properly formulated and people got sick, they could simply choose not to get insulin from me in the future.
I'm not a libertarian, I swear.
Sorry I killed your kid with my tainted eye-drops, but at least his death was the result of a free association of producers and he wasn't oppressed into living by Stalinist bureaucrats :ancrap:
shoveling poop and polishing German horse cock right
baltic right wing theory of labor
:rage-cry: nooo you can't elevate us into sapience
:chad-stalin: you are now the lead project manager for the local Gosplan office.
shoveling poop is based
idk about the horsecock thing, that seems uniquely gerpersonoid
To be fair, labor could definitely be reduced with the amount of technological advancement we’ve seen in the past few decades
But no work? :che-laugh:
shaking my head why didn't Stalin press the fully automated luxury space communism button
I always feel like less of a typing failure watching other people make multiple edits to their comments.
yeah I don't do a great job of proofreading for spelling mistakes on here
also sometimes I think of something after I press send
But no work?
what if
hear me out
we created a system where some people didn't have to work
i call it yewdalism.
the soviets obviously had a nuanced understanding of this but some people are really making twitter arguments based on wild speculation for texts from nearly a hundred years ago. everyone does labor of some kind. in the western labor market, if you are disabled you are literally forced not to work even if you do want to work. many people would be good with doing a job for x hours each day that their ability is allowed.
a construction worker in the soviet union, for example, could work for 3 months and get the rest of the year off to insure their body isnt overworked.
Antifada thinks MAGA truckers are communist while China is capitalist
Jamie has had some awful takes before, but I can't think of any this bafflingly DUMB
In gommunist country you have to work! Youre forced to do it! Unlike here where you can choose to starve and you’re not guaranteed a job so you might just starve anyway.
I believe this person is an idealist who believes that everyone will just voluntarily do whatever they want in the aftermath of their revolution and it will all work out, somehow
I'm sure the sewages will be maintained by volunteers and insulin will be made by hobbyists.
If you seriously believe people need constant threat of violence to do basic societal maintenance why are you even bothering with leftism.
Things like pharmaceuticals need very specific technologies that require a modern factory setting to produce. Without those, people die. People need to be trained to administer these things, distribution and transportation logistics need to be considered. You need to prevent people from doing capitalisms. Unless you would like to live with only the resources within walking distance then you're probably gonna need a system of organizing labor.
Not in a way that pleases twitter "leftists" who think supply chains are exploitative
Nope. You can't just make insulin in your garage and most scientists aren't pharmaceutical chemists who can do this stuff. Also yeah, let's just have our medical system be an unregulated gift economy, I'm sure no one will use crystals to try and heal me.
In gommunist country they build Ugly concrete blocks, unlike here were you just cant afford any home.
I want to write something clever but I can't really begin to explain the sort of brain you need to find American suburbs "pretty".
At the very least one must absolutely hate humanity and nature to reach that conclusion.
I don’t know how she could have possibly interpreted this quote as pro-wage-labor, but I also don’t think she was saying that abolishing wage labor is the same thing as abolishing labor altogether
She's been on the ground participating in the Cop City protests so I'm not talking shit about her.
“ To see someone harming the interests of the masses and yet not feel indignant, or dissuade or stop him or reason with him, but to allow him to continue. This is an eighth type.”
This isn’t just some random “leftist”, this is a podcast host that is completely misleading people who are interested in communism about a literal 101 topic.
This isn’t just some random “leftist”, this is a podcast host
lmao
lmao this isn’t even about Stalin, this is about how work is organized in a worker’s state.
Understanding unemployment as a problem of capitalism and a tool for disciplining the working class doesn't have to do with Stalin and is basic Marxism. The whole political project is to liberate human labor from exploitation and alienation so it can fulfill our lives and improve the world.
This is the correct take. People's IRL contributions are much more important than whatever silly shit they say on twitter. Terminally online leftists (all of us on this website) need to grow up, log the fuck off and go do something real. But that's hard, so I guess we'll just keep anonymously criticizing strangers online and bickering with each other over ideological differences that no one normal cares about. For fucks sake, it's almost like COINTELPRO has become self-sustaining - leftists are so good at splintering their own movements by infighting that the FBI can just sit back with some popcorn and watch the show. But hey, I'm sure if we call enough people libs then communism will win, good job everyone.
Disagree and while I'm not saying people should hate her, the Stalin question is a good litmus test. It's the same playbook they run on any Socialist figure. Whether it's Castro, Chavez, Maduro and even Evo. Someone who can't comprehend that Stalin wasn't a supremely evil figure definitely has question marks on them.
I don't even think it's an irrelevant question here. There just isn't a mature enough movement for it to take in effect. If someone can't comprehend lies that are decades old, there should be questions about how they can handle them when they are fresh and involve people they know.
And it's not like she's just a primary offline figure who likes to occasionally rattle zingers online. She runs a Communism podcast that is supposedly educational.
I think it's counterproductive to demand that people swear fealty to a dead soviet leader before considering them a potential comrade. Do you do this litmus test with your real-life friends? Like, do you really refuse to hang out with or organize with people who aren't stalin fans? Or is this more a test for deciding which leftist podcasters/online figures are "good" and which ones are "bad"? Neither makes sense to me, but I'm curious
Do you do this litmus test with your real-life friends?
yes
Sounds like a good way to make sure you're surrounded by insufferable nerds
Fealty? It's about the person being able to interpret information. Yes, I do make notes about what people are saying and whether I can consider them trustworthy on the tasks that information can be applied to. And I have done this before being a leftist. This is a skill required in any cooperative work.
As I said, I don't believe people should hate her but questions exist and a person's ability to interpret fact from blatant fiction should not be completely disregarded.
I do make notes about what people are saying and whether I can consider them trustworthy on the tasks that information can be applied to.
Are you a secret agent or something? I prefer to build trust with people the regular human way, by getting to know them over a period of time, assessing whether or not they share my general goals and principles and seeing if they live up to their commitments. Whether or not they agree with my interpretation of the legacies of controversial historical figures seems less important to me. I also think that there are valid criticisms of Stalin and the U.S.S.R. generally that aren't based on lies and propaganda, so I wouldn't rush to assume that anyone engaging in that criticism lacks critical thinking skills or the ability to interpret information.
No, I simply ask any random friend or coworker help on every and any task regardless if it is in their skill set or expertise. I'm always going to electrician for plumbing work and asking CNN for their opinion on Nicaragua. Just complete bad faith. :side-eye-1:
You're just doing tedious strawman stuff now and you know it. I'm gonna stop now before I commit the cardinal sin of getting mad at an internet stranger over something pointless and stupid. Have a good one.
This is a website not a movement and the strategic goal of it is to post and read posts. If you dislike dunks do not look at the dunk tank. If you want to be a good communist log off
I call playing N64 games fascist and spend 8 hours a day making call out posts and call everything alienation. This is the tip of the spear of the Hexbearist political movement.
This is the dunk tank. You're supposed to dunk on them. And yeah I agree with you that they will not be part of the movement.
The PMC is so indoctrinated that they cannot, even in their wildest fantasies, divorce the idea of labor from employment. When we say "no unemployment" they read that as "everyone is going to have a job in exactly the same sense that people have jobs now--doing soul-crushing shit they hate in order to support the lifestyles of an elite oligarchy." They can't even conceive of labor apart from wage labor.
