A 20-year-old woman was shot and killed Saturday after she and three others accidentally turned into the wrong driveway while looking for a friend’s house in rural upstate New York, authorities said
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The shooting happened just days after a Black teenager in Kansas City was shot twice by a White homeowner after going to the wrong address to pick up his siblings. No words were exchanged before Andrew Lester opened fire on 16-year-old Ralph Yarl as the teen stood at Lester’s front door, according to a probable cause document obtained by CNN. Lester, who told police he thought the teen was trying to break in, faces two felony charges in the case, which has reignited the debate over so-called “stand your ground” laws.
Truly wack-ass, goddamn awful country where "shoot first, ask questions later" is taken as ethos
How psychotic do you need to be in order for your go to response to be shooting any visitors you don't recognize. Least soul sick country.
And to think that literally, people who were traveling across this huge landmass known as N America (after Europeans pillaged it from the Indigenous Peoples for themselves) on foot, by horseback or on wagon, were part of a cultural understanding that if one happened to be stranded in a storm or injured or some other situation they could most likely seek shelter or aid at the nearest home.
How the fuck did we get so far from this communal decency and empathy?
It has to be the fear-based propaganda of protecting property and suspicion of others, along with the still-conditioned American Exceptionalist idea of the frontiersman individualism and modern consumerism in which one becomes so self-absorbed and layered with fear. Of course RW hate machine media is a big part too.
So goddamn sad, stupid, infuriating and depressing.
How do things change? By having a black family or two on every single block across this whole country. Segregation is real, from the racist legislators to the racist real estate brokers.
This was a rural area though. I think this is just a uniquely American disorder
How the fuck did we get so far from this communal decency and empathy?
Honestly I think it's a myth, god knows the number of murders (non-genocide murders) that people got away with, settler colonialism breeds a genuine demonic mindset in human beings
And to think that literally, people who were traveling across this huge landmass known as N America (after Europeans pillaged it from the Indigenous Peoples for themselves) on foot, by horseback or on wagon, were part of a cultural understanding that if one happened to be stranded in a storm or injured or some other situation they could most likely seek shelter or aid at the nearest home.
if you were white, tho. gotta state that.
How the fuck did we get so far from this communal decency and empathy?
It’s what Jesus intended
If I were a delivery driver of any sort I'd be pretty anxious right now.
"I didn't know he was the pizza guy - my wife never tells me anything."
Seems like it is open season on humans. Jesus Christ.
Pizza Delivery Drivers are statistically in much more danger than cops per one hour of work
They're just under Divers and Loggers I think.
Gas station attendants are above cops as well
What the hell makes people like this? I can understand keeping your guns accessible if you live by yourself way out in the boonies, but how anyone could just open fire on a random car pulling into their driveway or some person standing on their front porch is beyond me. How many of these sociopaths are coexisting with us, just silently waiting for an opportunity to murder a random teenager?
how anyone could just open fire on a random car pulling into their driveway or some person standing on their front porch is beyond me
that's exactly it, these demons want to live out their revenge/punisher fantasies and just sit praying for a sliver of a pretext to pop some caps
This 100%. When that kid rang the doorbell, the dude saw it as an opportunity and knew he wouldn't be held accountable thanks to shit bags like Zimmerman and Rittenhouse.
What I have never understood about the "open the door and shoot at a stranger" phenomenon is: if you're really fearful for your life, why wouldn't you just stay in your home? Fine, go hunker your paranoid ass down by your door with your gun in case they try to break in, but if they're an actual threat why would you expose yourself?
silently waiting
If you take folks at their word, then there are a lot who aren't silent. I've met plenty of Neoconfederate types who love to socially fantasize about getting an excuse (usually burglary, spiced up with the burglar being high to help them feel like they have a figleaf of ability to claim self-defense) to do violence. Some of them want to be Batman and just permanently injure a poor person before turning them over to :thumb-cop:
Most though, want to be what they think the Punisher is, which is mostly indistinguishable from an IDF soldier
Fun fact: consistent indoor shooting range users have the highest modern lead exposure risk outside of workers in industrial manufacturing jobs. So yeah...
Unless it’s the police of course. They can go wherever they please and reap whichever souls they please, and it barely requires a high school degree.
We are entering an era of American ultra-violence. Just a massive psychosis of every NIMBY whack job, where they have finally reached peak derangement and paranoia. I swear you can feel it walking down the street. Everyone driving home in their Dodge pickup truck is one spilled 24oz gas station soda away from a murder-suicide.
My life-a-movie but it's a Paul Verhoeven film :stalin-stressed:
Everyone driving home in their Dodge pickup truck is one spilled 24oz gas station soda away from a murder-suicide.
I went to the dispensary yesterday to pick up some flower. They were having a huge sale and the parking lot of 10ish spaces was completely full. I sorta just waited (blocking a few cars) while someone exited their space, thinking that once they get out I can take the space and be done blocking peoples' cars.
The person exiting managed to wiggle their civic out from the normal-sized space that was being infringed on by a massive fucking truck whose tires spilled over both lines on both sides of the space, so I quickly discovered that I (being slightly wider than a civic in a camry) couldn't quite fit there. Rather than try, I resolve to sit and wait a few more seconds because another car has pulled out of a slightly more convenient spot. As I'm waiting (it's now probably been 2 minutes total since I arrived in the parking lot), a lady gets out of a car whose exit I'm unavoidably blocking because my choices are (a) wait for the new space to open up or (b) exit the parking lot that I just arrived in. She approaches my window and knocks hard a few times before asking "what the fuck are you doing". I say as calmly as possible, "I'm waiting for a space and I'll move as soon as I can", gesturing at the car currently backing out in front of us. She makes a frustrated noise and says fuck a few more times before hitting my rear window and getting back in her car.
By this point, the person who was exiting their space has been spooked by the commotion and decided to pull back into the space. Rather than cause a confrontation, I drove a mile around the block and parked in front of some residences near the dispensary and just walked.
I hope that lady had a better afternoon than her morning :deeper-sadness:
This is exactly what I mean! Everyone seems to be ready to confront each other with anger. I think it might be a psychological symptom of worsening material conditions.
I think it might be a psychological symptom of worsening material conditions.
That and reduced prefrontal-cortical capacity from covid imo
Literally the rage virus from 28 days later but people freaking the fuck out at each other at the grocery store.
This is exactly what I was talking about a couple days ago when I posted about feeling bad vibes in the US
So many :grillman: and :frothingfash: want so very badly to live out their le epic zombie apocalypse power fantasies. The real "horror" in that genre is that side of the fandom. :scared-fash:
Has this been happening a lot recently, or is it just that this happens constantly and people have been paying more attention recently?
according to Pew Research Center, amerika experienced record-low gun violence for abt 20 years starting in the mid-90s. then those figures starting skyrocketing around 2016 :soviet-hmm:
from: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/
What even happened in 2016? Just emboldened far right?
Maybe this is naive, but I feel like to shoot someone like this you need to be afraid. Like even if the ideology tells you that someone mistakenly stepping on your property deserves death, you won't really feel that enough to kill unless you're scared. So I guess a lot of this is downstream of right wing media trying to scare people about crime (lib media is also complicit of course). Still, it's fucking unbelievable to me that there are adult white males who live in the suburbs feeling enough fear to do this.
i think its both. chuds see the rising popularity of progressive policies (and the slow increase of legit socialists that hasnt happened in amerika in 50 years) and they fear the implication this has for the status quo. this fear is backed by MSM lying abt "the left's violent riots". and the more conservative MSM outlets are stochastic terrorists that come just a millimeter short of telling their petit bourg and PMC fashy fans that they need to "secure white existence" with their guns. so they have this latent fear and rage, then they become emboldened by charismatic strongmen like :trump-moist:
Same, this part really hit home for me
After the shots were fired in New York, Gillis and the rest of the group drove away from the house in the town of Hebron looking for cell phone service, and then called 911.
I've had to find someone's house in the mountains at night without cell service and it fucking sucks enough without getting killed
Time to drive around with a potbelly stove lid tied to my chest, I guess
in a toyota technical with your most trusted buddies manning the gun
Came here to post this. I regularly pull into people's driveway and back out if I missed my destination or was lost. This is absolutely insane, it feels like this country is falling apart faster than I realized.
wait, is this different from the person who was dropped off at the wrong place and then was murdered? or is this the same case? either way, good gods what a shithole country :doomer:
holy fuck 3 within a week of each other, what a diseased country :doomjak:
may I ask which third case are you referring to? Are you sure you don't mean this story, where the cops went to the wrong address and shot the homeowner?https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-15/us-police-shoot-man-dead-after-responding-to-wrong-address/102227592
never mind, i believe i'm thinking of the story in the OP. the way i heard about it originally made it sound like she was dropped off by a rideshare or something at the wrong address and then was shot, but i can't find anything like that, so i think its this story.
also, :do-not-do-this:
my dad is absolutely one of these maniacs desperate to shoot someone. He talks about how he doesnt care if someone is running away empty handed, he would kill them for daring to touch his stuff. doesn't help that hes been followed around by racist rednecks so now his paranoia is so bad he wont leave the house without a gun. He keeps trying to give me guns and at some point im sure he will wear me down.
You have to be careful when visiting him, he is much more likely to kill a family member by accident than a burglar.
Or on purpose. Lots of familicides start because the (usually) father believes that everyone is out to get his family, so it’s best to prevent suffering by checks notes murdering the family
everyone is out to get his family
Chuds murder their family so no one else is theoretically able to :brainworms:
Few things creep me out more than the Burgerland death drive where a Burgerlander murders his own family then kills himself. :joker-amerikkklap:
oh hes def scared me before, I call and text him before I come over. But yes thanks for the advice I will be careful.
He keeps trying to give me guns and at some point im sure he will wear me down.
Keep taking a gun every time you visit until he has no guns left :think-about-it:
If you’re stable enough you should just accept his guns before he does something stupid with them e.g. Mandalay Bay
You're probably right, Ive been doing well lately, Ill talk to my partner about it.
This country. This fucking country.
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The self internalize surveillance state is one of the more dystopian parts of modern living. The constant fear of some nebulous unknown other is what I believe drives this frantic protection of property . especially in the suburban United States, every home owner believes their house to be a sovereign domain.
Every outsider must have a stated, purpose and banner above their head to indicate whom they represent whether it be some Mega Corp or a Girl Scout trying to engage with the shreds of community left in the burbs. being on or near property that does not belong to you is a threat to the suburban mind everything is private. property is civilization. Occupying space on property for any reason is a declaration of war to these deranged lawn chair wannabe feudal lords.
land of the free (highest per capita incarceration rate on earth)
home of the brave (deranged populace so skittish they murder complete strangers on sight)
as american as apple pie (dish both originating in england and predating the existence of the usa)
greatest country in the world (does not rank #1 in any social, economic or political indices)I’ve never met people more obsessed with “their property” than America
I've not been there but I've seen "We don't call the cops we shoot on sight" signs here in suburbs in germany. I feel like that's even more brainworms since, no, you won't, because you'd go to jail forever and also pretty high chance the deadliest gun you have is a bb gun
