Liberals said the exact same shit during the civil rights movement i.e. MLK was a Russian asset and being controlled by the CCCP etc.
Hell, they killed
Bobby SealeHuey, (never history before morning coffee) because he actually met the Chinese comrades of his time; and they couldn't have a Black leader bringing communism to the hoodEDIT now that I've got a cup of ACTUAL coffee in me and not some watered down, burnt, gas station turpentine, lemme get more into this because I've got a pet theory. The Panthers meeting our Chinese comrades is the entire reason why COINTELPRO has only continued, intensified, and evolved in the decades since-- because it all boils down to 'they can't have anyone bringing communism to the hood'.
Back in the day, they had the shit locked down. The internet wasn't like that yet; we couldn't have whole-ass discussions, debates, arguments, and flame wars over theory or sects. The knowledge base wasn't out there yet, you had to be into some scholarly shit in the first place, or know somebody who jumped you in, to even be talking like we are now. The genie's out of the bottle now; and they CANNOT AFFORD another movement as large as or as motivated as the Panthers were. They can't have another community-based, community-focused mutual aid network like that again, because these theories are the next step.
This is why they train our misleaders to make the concept of seeking liberation sound corny. This is why the misleaders push "Black Excellence™", "Black Capitalism", and all that happy assimilation-reformist bullshit. Part of why the 'hotep' discourse is a thing. (I'm not gonna play around and act like some of it isn't some members of our community actually being corny about it; but I don't believe that sentiment came from the ground up.) This is why they locked up the Uhuru 3, and made 61 political prisoners under RICO charges in Georgia. This is why they still infiltrate our organizations, lock up our leaders, and kill the ones they know won't comply. They can't afford another.
As a black American, I gotta side with fantastic-nonsense (totally inaccurate username BTW 'cause they spittin' straight fax) here.
I have been targeted by Russia to act as a disinformation agent against Biden and play a part in him losing the election. It sucks to know that libs like this user are waking up to this truth, and now I gotta deal with that.
I figured their
word saladgenius take on matters would be too enlightened for you all to understand, so I just thought I'd clear it up here and now with my firsthand experience as a certified black American Russian bot. Thank you.
I still cannot understand the “russian bots sabotaged Hillary’s election” narrative. She won the popular vote by several millions, lost the electoral college by like 10. Did the KGB invent the electoral college? Because it seemed like an ordinary election with the exception of the funny candidates
I genuinely feel like i’ve lost my mind because whenever this topic comes up, no one seems to acknowledge this. Not even people here. Am i missing something? Am I missing the big picture when I point out Hillary literally won and still lost and that tankies or bernie bros or putler bots couldnt’t sway shit? Unless they assume Hillary would’ve won 5 million more votes if the bernie bros didn’t have allegiance to russia and caused her the electoral votes? What am i missing?
It's more because liberals will use the electoral college to make their point in a way. In their Russia fantasy the disinformation campaign influenced enough swing state voters to turn the electoral vote in favor of Trump.
They'll even acknowledge that the electoral college is flawed (they've been on that spiel ever since the 2000 election), but they won't ever actually make a push to reform or completely get rid of it because they also wholeheartedly believe American institutions are damn near infallible.
They'll even acknowledge that the electoral college is flawed (they've been on that spiel ever since the 2000 election)
Yeah libs used talk about the EC, now their go to obsession is "first past the poll"/ranked choice. Every vote evangelist is flogging this as a magic bullet to save what they think is democracy
Even a moderate understanding of modern history reveals that people will happily vote in fascism. Or fascists will just ignore the voting altogether and seize power while libs wring their hands. Very big brain stuff
Even a moderate understanding of modern history
that's pretty much the problem with libs
That’s part of it, but also any realistic path to eliminating the EC or rendering it neutral would require the DNC to win over a lot more state governments, and the Dems are deathly allergic to engaging in that sort of long-term strategy. Not to mention having to expand the party beyond their coastal and urban enclaves.
I love the irony in the cognitive dissonance:
"Everyone believes they are immune to propaganda." - Group of Redditors buying into blatant propaganda.
Yes, it's Russian propaganda that caused Hillary to lose, and not her unmasked contempt for anyone not completely adherent to neoliberal ideology. The success of the previously unknown Bernie's campaign should have been a wake up call to at least act like you could play nice with the more progressive folks. Bernie was never going to be the VP pick, but there were a handful of others that would have been at least throwing a bone to that part of the base.
Nope, she picks Tim "Pro Life" fucking Kaine, but it was Russian ops that convince those Michigan voters to pick Stein.
Johnson got twice the third party voters than Stein if I remember correctly. You never hear them getting mad at libertarians.
IMO both things are true. Yes she won the popular vote undeniably, however that doesn't excuse her disastrous campaign, most of the time Trump would not have been even close and the electoral college issue is something they as Adults In The Roomtm should have taken into account when propping up Trump. At this point it is all academic debate anyway, like going back and looking at what they did wrong etc.
The point is yes she won, but it should not have been that close and it wasn't an upset or unlikely result, it is now understood it was just their incompetence overall.
The same thing is happening right now too, Biden should be far more popular than Trump under almost every scenario except for the fact Dems keep making incredibly dumb decisions, almost as if they don't want to win...
Just remember there is nothing to understand. It's cope. Those idiots lost a layup with a bad candidate and a surprisingly good showing from Trump.
They won't take responsibility, so it was a Russian disinfo thingy.
I'm not racist, I just think everything is a conspiracy by specifically Asian countries. Doesn't matter which. Just any country I'd see as having special magical abilities a couple centuries ago.
Russia is a white european country. The only reason they're allied with China is bc Western capitalist elites are not too racist (relative to avg crackers)--they care more for money than race. Thus, they want Russian oil and other massive Siberia resources, even if it means killing Russians
slavs aren't considered white until it suits the western ISAs to call them white (and blond-haired blue-eyed)
Russia is a white european country.
Depends on the story the Westoid propaganda wants to tell. Sometimes their white euopean, sometimes their the inscrutable asiatic horde
they're only considered "Asiatic" when western capitalist elites need to kill them to take their resources
no mayo actually considers a group of basically white christians, with lighter hair than them at that, to be Asian
this of course means that Russia and the West making up doesn't bring about communism, but instead global race war
this of course means that Russia and the West making up doesn't bring about communism, but instead global race war
That was actually the strategy favored by Kissenger and a certain segment of foreign policy ghoul community (and intuitively desired by the US right for white identity rationale). Obama blew that option up completely with the Euromaiden coup.
I'm not racist, I just think everything is a conspiracy by specifically Asian countries to manipulate black people in particular since they're the most gullible.
Liberals try not to infantilise and dismiss the experiences of minorities challenge: impossible.
As Matt said once before his health issues, if Russia and or China can just manipulate the people of the US with the disinformation and influence elections then they've already won. Pack it up. They got us.
I said it then and I'll say it now...
If a handful of memes from Russian for-profit bot farms seeking Facebook ad revenue can almost topple 'the greatest democracy in the history of the world' then it ain't worth shit and you just pack it up now.
To add to that: if countries like Russia actually can influence US elections by manipulating platforms like Facebook....what does that say about the influence companies like Facebook have themselves?
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Though honestly that is not a very high bar considering what passes for democracy in Usania.
Tumblr users be like:
Pith aside, I'm going to need crackers to knock this kind of bullshit, especially this "Black users were SPECIFICALLY TARGETED by the Ruzzian Orc Bots" tack they're on now right the fuck off; because this is the exact play that the feds have been running persecuting the Uhuru 3. Isn't it Amazing how hella white people can act up, attempt to steal an election, and trample down the halls of the Capitol building screaming about how they're gonna lynch everybody from AOC to Mike Pence, have FUCK ALL done to them, but the minute a Black soul stands against the settler empire's intractable wars, genocides, and colonizing, they get FBI raids, federal charges, and being labeled a "Russian asset"?
Deadass if Cuba, Russia, China, Vietnam, or Ghana offered to pay my one-way ticket out and set me up with a job on my landing? If I was entering their country as a defector or refugee? I'd do it in a heartbeat, and the next time anyone saw me I'd be Yeonmi Parking this country of crackers. "Their food security is so bad that when a family patriarch hits a possum on the freeway, they talk about feasting for a week." I could do her job.
I'd do it in a heartbeat, and the next time anyone saw me I'd be Yeonmi Parking this country of crackers.
"In America, crackers will see videos of state forces abusing black people and then, with a straight face, tell you that if you have a problem with it the Russians have gotten you."
Except unlike Yeonmi Park, you could just tell the truth about amerikkka and it would be 100x worse than the fabrications they make about the DPRK.
Oh they have labour camps and execute people? Don't look up US prison labour or stats on police killings. At least the citizens of the DPRK are jacked from taking turns pushing that train around.
I mean, there definitely were like a couple bots reposting the same comments on twitter, but that's always been the case for anything and everything.
I wish I could remember the figure, but basically the entirety of the Mueller Report came down to "yeah, we found russian meddling. They spent about 2000$ on facebook ads" and libs were like "SEE?! The russians are AtTaCkInG"
If Americans don't want foreign agitators to take advantage of racial tensions maybe America could try not being so fucking racist
Yea, comparatively, the ClA funded racial terrorist stabbings and bombings in China and even that completely failed compared to "Tumblr Russian bots"
Not even the Eternal Dragon has the power to grant that wish
In exchange for keeping most of the racism, white workers got concession from capital for some number of decades. Then
and now we're even right? Kicked the can enough, surely... 
user: I hate this!
bot: I hate this too!
asshole: SEE SEE!!! A BOT MADE YOU THINK YOU HATED THIS!
Didn't Facebook release a study on this spooky Russian disinfornarskaya or whatever, and it turned out to have been basically a single percentage of all Trump related content?
I remember several studies, all the ones done by firms that weren't getting paid by the DNC, showed that the actual impact of Russian bot farms was actually very minuscule. If you ever checked any of the linked posts that came from the bot farms you'd often see engagement often in the hundreds to low thousands. Nothing that was as widespread as the MSM reported.
Similarly for Twitter:
The emails inadvertently suggest how marginal and ineffective the accounts that were genuine Russian disinformation efforts actually were. Describing Russian accounts they’d purged in advance of voting in 2020, one internal email reports some decidedly underwhelming figures: 345 had been inactive, and the ten that were active “had little reach and low follower counts.”
[...] In fact, much of the supposedly suspicious activity had nothing to do with adversarial governments at all. The FBI repeatedly passed on suspicions and forwarded news articles alleging sinister foreign hands behind the George Floyd protests, the existence of pro-Trump African Americans, and various suspect accounts, only to be told they were all of domestic origin. One analyst “found no links to Russia,” they wrote, and neither did another worker who carried out a thorough double-check. “I can brainstorm with [redacted] and see if we can dig even deeper and try to find a stronger connection,” the analyst helpfully offers.
Wonder how it compares with the effectiveness of correct the record
Liberals would much rather demonize a huge percentage of their intended base than actually admit that they suck ass on their own merits
I'm reminded of this map a Blairite drew a couple years back to link Russian interference with "the black community".
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Blairite? How dare you! I'll have you know that Paul Mason is a commited communist, no wait, commited socialist, no wait, socialist realist, hang on, leftist-NAFOist with spice-taking characteristics. You can joke about his Pepe Silva enemies of the state mind map all you like, but the only three true working class white blokes he still drinks with from his Trot days thought it sounded important and I'll have you know that an admin worker for MI5 sent him a polite email saying they appriciated him sending it in but it wasn't what they were looking for and to keep trying. That's basically the same as making him the new James Bond right there! People are just bitter because he was the first to correctly identify that the best route to a worldwide socialist unity is to back Starmer and insist he immeadiately starts a nuclear war with Russia for the good of the global working glass. He might be the next foreign secretary! After all he only just missed out on getting onto one of six different 5-9 person shortlists to stand as a Labour MP in various constituancies. He's a valuable and important political operater, which is why the Labour leadership respected him too much not to beg him to please not go canvassing and campaigning in Islington North for fear that he'd make it too easy for them to get rid of Corbyn and they'd look vindictive when all they wish him is the best. And even if you're one of these too cool for school jaded fake online leftists that doesn't believe in 'electoralism' (i.e. power) then he's once again about to prove his lifelong anti-fascist credentials by putting the hard questions to our brave comrades from the Ukrainian military who spend every day of this conflict on the front lines of the defense industry convention circuit, like 'what's your favourite Putin meme' and 'what's your favourite memory from your time in Tornado Battalion?' Time to grow up, be more like him, and do some actual real political praxis.
I'm China.*
*Not the country but the powder dripping from his nose onto his keyboard as he knocked this up in MS Paint at 4am.
These people, they do not believe in reality and objective truth, they only believe what they are told. In that way they act closer to bots than any “russian bot” on the internet ever could.
another trotsky-crime for the trotsky-crime tribune to adjudicate
