putting Willems in the same bucket as fucking CinemaSins is a travesty, this guy's problem is just that he's stupid
CinemaSins' criticisms are often just fucking incorrect if you actually pay attention to the movie
yeah just the most reddit-ass videos, total, unswerving incompetence combined with uncut, weapons-grade smugness
i fundamentally cannot grasp what i'm watching and it seems extremely stupid without this understanding. here's 5 minutes of bad jokes based on this
Discovered Willems some time ago and every video is entertaining and informative. Rare to see in the film review space on YouTube, at least as far as the more successful channels go.
You are supposed to notice the plot, characters, dialogue, and editing. What the fuck are you talking about. Literally anyone can tell Noah Baumbach from Wes Anderson from Paul Thomas Anderson from Scorsese even if they can't articulate exactly what the difference is. That should deepen your appreciation of the art, not stamp it out!
I'm guessing since he mentione cinema sins it was less about noticing styles and more nitpicking "plot holes" and continuity errors.
Redditor, watching a film that plumbs the depths of human depravity to spotlight the struggle and beauty of human solidarity: I think that lamp was on 2 scenes ago
People want their slop so smooth it can be pumped down without risk of having to chew on anything. Nothing of substance, just the same stuff over and over again without any introspection or thought. Cum. They want cum.
I need to know which movie to be mad at because it has women in it
Combing the credits looking for the women ruining cinema off screen 😤
I do it because I don't particularly like movies but i do enjoy conversations where i can be aggressively wrong
I don’t watch movies. I just review them based on what i read from other people
This has nothing to do with analysis and everything to do with being a dipshit comes from endlessly consuming empty, self-aggrandizing slop of the 'I Am Very Smart' variety.
Filmmakers, film critics, and film writers more generally are nearly always by far and away the absolute, most film obsessed viewers and most of them could tell you exactly how every shot is constructed, what lens it's shot on, picture the script layout in their head etc. It doesn't ruin their ability to enjoy film at all.
So I'd suggest actually going deeper into understanding and analysing film, from people who aren't fucking lazy edgelord YouTubers trying to seem clever, to unlearn some of the shit habits they've conditioned themselves with.
Additionally, human empathy will get you a long way with being absorbed by characters. Try going outside, talking to people, not self-consciously trying to be the smartest person in the room, and then apply that same mindset to fictional characters. You'll never enjoy a film if you've decided you're already above it and the characters are just puppets you want to dance in particular way instead of the representations of real people.
You'll never enjoy a film if you've decided you're already above it and the characters are just puppets you want to dance in particular way
People who view characters as just utilitarian automatons for plot progression are wildin
The Redditor, in a completely roundabout way and for entirely wrong reasons, is realizing that consuming slop is completely meaningless. The next step is to stop consuming slop and find better hobbies. There's more to this world than watching Marvel trash.
are you referring to all movies and shows as "slop"? because if so I strongly disagree, film is a legitimate art form and experiencing art is absolutely not meaningless. idk what this dude is watching but I wouldn't assume it's just Marvel. even good movies can have the kinds of flaws he's talking about
CinemaSins isn't "critiquing" obscure French or Soviet film. They're mostly just chasing after slop that people remember. Their most recent "reviews" include Dodgeball, Alien: Resurrection, Mean Girls 2024, and the Garfield movie.
ah, I've never watched a CinemaSins video. it sounds like something I can safely avoid because I don't like review shows that only exist to shit on movies they hate
I guess RedLetterMedia got big by doing that but at least they also sometimes talk about stuff they actually like
edit: also I don't think only obscure foreign art films count as works of art, I'm a horror fan so a lot of my favorite movies are very schlocky but still have artistic merit IMO
CinemaSins got their start making videos about continuity errors and such in movies, and degraded over the years to where it's a bare minimum effort unscripted first-pass nitpick of a movie, such as "has opening credits", "kid's bedroom has toys in it", "they haven't introduced this character yet" when that character is being introduced. It's one of the most lazy productions I've ever seen.
ah, I've never watched a CinemaSins video. it sounds like something I can safely avoid
It is not just something that can be safely avoided, it is something that you should avoid if you value having braincells. That said, you would definitely be missing out if you didn't sample some of Shaun's (leftist skull boy) videos exhibiting just how bad CinemaSins really is.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB8NXe_on1cV3bJvw_FA1FX-FI7PGZnV_ Same playlist and videos, but invidious frontend: https://invidious.fdn.fr/playlist?list=PLB8NXe_on1cV3bJvw_FA1FX-FI7PGZnV_
For those who don't already know Shaun, I'd also recommend his more serious work on topics like the US dropping of nuclear weapons on civilians in Japan, The racist and ableist origins and continued racist/ableist use of The Bell Curve, his series on BBC's Transphobia, etc.
I will watch the shaun videos because watching good youtubers calmly dunk on popular bad youtubers is a guilty pleasure
Develop a critical eye and start making your own slop, turns out it's fun!
Miles Davis was questioning the increasing length of John Coltrane solos and Trane answered "I don't know how to stop." Davis replied with "Try taking the fucking horn out of your mouth."
I'm sure that never happened but it's still a cool quote.
This sounds like the lead-up to why Miles Davis had a cymbal hurled at his neck
(I don't even remember if that's the right blues figure for that story but it does make the bit funnier)
I don't know much about that Patrick channel but the rest are pretty much generic youtube trash. Cinema sins or honest trailers are stale and pedantic. Critical drinker from what I know is just a gross channel. Same with filmento from the looks of it.
None of them analyse shit. Its such a low bar that critical drinker passes for analysis. Whatever that "analysis" is. I'm sorry that you couldn't watch a movie without analyzing whether the movie was pushing the woke agenda. Too bad.
Patrick Willems is a dude with an actual film degree producing actual video essays. He has a fantastic video discussing the nature of "content" and how he hates applying that term to anything that isn't the valueless slop peddled to keep eyes on ads, and another about how actors are turning themselves into brands and no longer doing any actual acting as a result, like how Ryan Reynolds and Dwayne Johnson always give the same performance.
I have taken up this cause. It now irks me to see people retroactively call old TV shows "content"
I looked it up. Ok I might not have seen the ones you mention but I have at least looked at his bollywood video once.
Regarding ryan reynolds though, yeah that dude is the most shady mf. There was thing about him and the always sunny guy owning a football club, its a trainwreck.
I watched one Critical Drinker video that was recommended to me, I think it was on Mulan, all I needed to know that he's a twat because he was deliberately misrepresenting the original animated film in order to make a really tortured point about moral lessons in modern movies being bad.
hyper-analyse
idk if that's what you're doing if your brain goes "ding" every time you see a continuity error or a set expedience. Not everyone wants to watch a movie that is 20 minutes longer because the characters were snacking or going to the bathroom.
the characters were snacking
"You know what I'm in the mood for? Ruffles Potato Chips. Ruffles have r-r-r-r-r-r-ridges®."
I just had the terrible thought of AI injecting ads into everything.
Cinemasins/Honest Trailers is fun for a couple weeks, but gets old kinda fast. Don't know how you'd watch to the point that everything is ruined for you.
Also, watching the Critical Drinker
C*nemaS*ns is just dumb, they just fabricate and omit information randomly to make fake "sins" and other equally questionable decisions. I say this confidently, having seen exactly one takedown style video criticizing them, a channel I've never actually watched.
If it was the shaun skull head guy vid, then that's afaic the last word on cinema sins
bobvids is actually the last word on cinema sins, although both are really good.
I say this confidently, having seen exactly one takedown style video criticizing them, a channel I've never actually watched.
I always thought CS was ironic and the pedantic “flaws” of a movie were just jokes and not actual critique. Do people actually take it seriously?
They're not ironic and people do take them seriously as film reviewers, when they're the most basic nitpickers imaginable and provide no actual review, never mind critique.
I can confirm as someone who watched them when I was like 10 and it made me extremely annoying to watch movies with at the time
Don’t understand how people can watch them over and over. I saw a few and chuckled. Didn’t really think about them after that but kept getting recommended videos criticizing them.
guys I peered behind the veil of ignorance that protects our minds from the unfeeling cosmos and its enormity, and I feel kinda bummed?
cinemasins, hoonest trailers, the critical drinker
Don't know much about the other channels, but these three will do it for ya. The average level of media literacy among youtube reviewers is the absolute pits, and if you teach yourself to think about movies on that level, then you're playing yourself. I'm not like, Mr Cinema Buff certified expert or anything, but I've curated my subscriptions to reviewers with interesting things to say and points of view that I don't have, so that it feels like more of a complement to watching film and TV to me than something that drags the whole experience down.
Yeah I don't know what analytical skills he's getting out of the Critical Drinker, who recently labeled every kid in a shot of The Acolyte by race and gender to emphasize that there were no white boys.
This is silly, but you all can't say this isn't true for some people here as well. Just with like, actual analysis of politics in media instead of plotholes
I try to cultivate my brain-off-enjoyment mode but it's hard :/ playing a video game and jumping up from the couch to call it "reactionary" :/
sounds like he OD’d on the shit he likes and now it doesn’t make his little prick hard any more.
content I mainly watch being film and TV review and critical analysis content.
tell me you’re a debatelord without telling me you’re an online debatelord.
I can recognize faults in movies without it completely ruining my enjoyment of them, because I'm cool and normal. some people get weirdly mad any time a movie does something they don't like and I would suggest chilling tf out about it. making a movie is a complex process that involves many people making lots of decisions under specific constraints and it's pretty unreasonable to demand perfection
some of my favorite movies have definite flaws and that's okay, all art is flawed because humans are flawed. hell, sometimes it's the flaws that make a movie interesting
