It was removed because of the title, it went even further than Zenz's report did.
Also, BBC is running with this story now, citing Zenz as a source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-54260732
I don't know how normies think this isn't a big deal. It's not even entirely about whether the stories are true or not. It's about the fact that "reputable" news organizations are using an absolute lunatic as a source of info.
This is almost like if you were reading the New York Times, and they casually dropped: "according to a report by Alex Jones..." in their article. You would probably never look at that news site the same way again.
OG reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ixjuq2/china_forces_500000_tibetans_into_labour_camps/
Anne Applebaum has been running a similar grift with the Soviet Union for years. Major media outlets refer to her as a "historian" when she's just a fucking blue-blood neolib journalist with zero academic credentials. Actual historians think her work is dog shit but if you're a media outlet and you want to bring on a "historian" to talk about the Soviet Union, you bring in Applebaum.
I think I remember a great criticism from Wheatcroft on the absolute moralism and lack of consideration of material circumstances even though he's just a standard orthodox historian.
Yep. And Stephen Kotkin is a Princeton historian who wrote the definitive work on Stalin in the English language. He's not a Soviet sympathizer at all but he's criticized Applebaum's work pretty harshy IIRC.
it's just hard to get around to the idea that the most reputable news organisations in the world are actually full of shit.
I wish everyone was an expert in at least one thing so that they could go read virtually any mainstream news coverage on that one thing and see how ridiculously bad they are on the basic facts and premise. I'm in software and any time I see reporting on software or software security, it's awful and wrong. If they're so wrong about that then surely they're probably wrong about everything, because they're an organization of writers - not experts.
Freedom of press will never exist under capitalism. Every local newsroom I've worked in has been beholdened to the publisher's politics and every national one is either run by a billionaire or VC group.
Freedom of the press in liberal democracy is freedom of the press to be bought and sold by capitalist interests.
The capitalists (followed, either from stupidity or from inertia, by many S.R.s and Mensheviks) call “freedom of the press” a situation in which censorship has been abolished and all parties freely publish all kinds of papers.
In reality it is not freedom of the press, but freedom for the rich, for the bourgeoisie, to deceive the oppressed and exploited mass of the people.
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Zenz posts a new China Holocaust story
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Media goes crazy, posts a dozen articles about the atrocity
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Right-wing media begins embellishing on the Zenz story
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All these stories are reposted uncritically to Reddit
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Some Mod or Admin finally takes something down
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Everyone on the sub is now convinced Reddit is a China psy-op where free speech is repressed
Don't forget the part where as it propogates through the propaganda networks, it obfuscates the source (they start citing BBC instead of Zenz even though they're the same report).
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This is almost like if you were reading the New York Times, and they casually dropped: “according to a report by Alex Jones…” in their article. You would probably never look at that news site the same way again.
Zenz is literally a repeat opinion contributor for the NYT, it is that.
zenz wrote a book about how we have to be virgins for jesus because we're all getting married to him. you get to have sex with him by page 69 tho, which is definitely worth mentioning. https://books.google.com/books?id=lRtSQB3HHJcC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
edit for important info: book is about the rapture and would definitely help you establish that he is not a credible source of information if you brought it up with most people.
That book would actually make him more respectable among the people who want to believe this shit.
Goddamn it. Middle America is so perfectly ripe to become a theocratic state. I'm so genuinely scared.
Some of them I guess. I think trying to push for a conflict with China is popular even among liberals now though. They usually aren't hardcore evangelicals and would probably think that book is weird. idk
I don't know about that, sure, maybe some comments are calling it out, but it still has 50k upvotes, and 90% positive.
is the 'labour camp' accusation even in the report or is that something the news outlets make up to get anti china headlines? the reuters article about this doesn't claim that there are camps for tibetans.
"Labour camps" are not in the Zenz report. The report describes people going through "Militarized Vocational Training."
According to evidence compiled by Dr. Alex Jones, who was so instrumental in raising international awareness of frogs being turned gay, other amphibians such as newts and salamanders are also being turned gay. The new report was sponsored by a global alliance of MPs who share growing concerns about amphibian sexuality. I will now continue regurgitating the contents of the report without ever questioning any of the claims or the quality of the evidence.
-Associated Press, probably
Obligatory WaPo Opinion article on "How Western Media would cover Minneapolis if it happened in another country", still not comparable to the situation in Xinjang, obv, but fun to read imo.
Half a million people... Tibet only has 3 million people 😔
Ah they're picking up on how nonsensical it is
1 in 6.. jesus christ.
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r/AvoidChineseProducts
holy shit how dense can you be
I've got tons of criticism for China and have far less hope in them as a country when it comes to leftist goals. However, it is nice to see how we can still change some hearts and minds when it comes to such overt jingoistic defamatory propaganda.
