Tip creep is getting ridiculous and it's being laundered as pro worker, to boot.
Misfits Market, a grocery delivery service, sent out an email either early this year or late last year, about how you can now tip their delivery drivers!
Yay, show them your appreciation!They were far less upfront about the fact that they gave them a 33% pay cut and are leaning on the tips (which are confusing to opt out of) to pick up the slack.
Honestly holding the door open for each other is one of the positive things I like about us Yankees.
Wait, you can like "hold" a door open? What, with your hand? I'm European and I've literally never heard about that. I thought slamming doors straight in other people's faces was a universal thing. Learn a new thing every day.
I kid, of course. But for real, what makes you think of door-holding as a uniquely American thing?
Out of the ten foreign countries I've been to in both Asia and Europe, me seeing instances of people holding the door open became as rare as me finding hyper-processed u.s.a-grade slop over the pond in either direction.
Stateside it was universally common in all eighteen states I've visited. It's just a form of the peculiarly distinct friendliness we exhibit here.
I don't see it enough.
I get resentful that I'm always holding doors and hardly anyone else does for me.
People say Americans are friendly but I don't get it. I'm not White, though.
Well if you come up to my neck of the woods I'll always hold the door open for ya, rain, snow, sleet, or shine
People say Americans are friendly but I don't get it. I'm not White, though.
I genuinely think this is key, and probably why people don’t even acknowledge. Also part of why I get so pissed when they don’t.
Where I'm from in Europe I think most people sort of think of it as just basic common courtesy, especially for older/disabled/people carrying stuff. At least, that's what's taught, but I wouldn't speculate on how often it actually happens here vs. the US. I did also once have a colleague from the US who was extremely (almost performatively, I would say) friendly about those kinds of small, polite gestures. So what do I know.
Nah lol it's awkward. I can open the door, it's helpful only if one party is carrying something that might make it difficult.
It's a matter of distance, if someone is like 40 or so feet away, that's a door hold, any further is outside of reasonable unless they're carrying stuff. It's nice but also if there's a crowd, it's efficient, everyone having to individually open a door that's closing on them slows things down and it's just a pill for everybody. If it's a big enough crowd do.thar thing where you kinda pass the door hold off to the next person behind you and move on.
Came to this thread expecting a discussion of American tip culture; instead I get 30+ comments arguing about door holding acknowledgement love this website
Looks like I’m at the forefront of this door holding debate. As a former back of house restaurant employee, I’d probably get fucking wrecked for my opinion on tipping.
I would probably not introduce tipping in my country where no one does it and we have a high minimum wage, but sometimes people try
Call me selfabsorbed but I genuinely hate when i don’t even get an acknowledgement from people I hold the door for. I don’t want you to smile or say thank you or look me in the eyes but jist make some sort of indication that you know this door didn’t fucking magically pry itself open you twat.
It happens almost half the time, and I literally hold the door for everyone and can’t help not doing it. Every time I wish i could go back in time and slam it in their face, I’m not your personal bellboy
I know this is sn overreaction sorry
It’s a realistic way to frame things.
Do you do nice things for the reward or just to be nice? If it’s the latter, then the other person’s reaction shouldn’t matter. Letting it irritate you wastes your own energy for no purpose, and the other person will never know about it, you’ll just continue to seethe, which will be added to the next time it happens.
That said, I do understand your frustration.
If you understand my frustration then you can also understand that people do things just to be nice but are well within their right to feel disappointed by people who won’t acknowledge their gesture, who almost seem to think such a gesture is meaningless or furthermore entitled to it.
I’ll keep doing nice things, and I’ll keep seething when people are rude in turn when I’m doing nice things, don’t put the moral failure on me.
I don’t believe I’m putting a moral failing anywhere, but I’m sorry that what I said made you feel that way.
The point I’m making is that none of us can control how others behave, and getting angry at them only serves to make us bitter. By disengaging our own feelings from this act, we can lead more content lives, and that’s helpful for our own mental health.
Quit being over analytical nerds. It’s a common courtesy to acknowledge someone doing something nice for you, and it’s totally normal to feel disappointed when that breaks down
No doubt you’re a redditor. Let me guess, you’re probably one of those people who just wished to ‘be left alone’ by everyone when they’re just being polite to you and exercising the basic norms of the social contract? .
My account sits dormant since they banned the sub.
Why does it bother you so much to not get guaranteed validation?
Why does it bother you so much to validate people who are being nice to you, and why does it bother you they’re disappointed when you don’t?
Ok fine let's take it as close the door in front of their face, and not literally smack them in the face with the door.
It's still eyebrow raising imo to get that worked up.
Ok fine let's take it as close the door in front of their face
If not acknowledging someone holding the door for you is not a big deal why should closing the door be?
I take it you don’t acknowledge people doing polite things for you because you don’t owe them anything? Do you not appreciate when someone’s polite to you?
Are you being polite to actually help?
Or because you want a head pat?From my upbringing I've learned to stay far away from the latter.
Editing to add context: When it comes to unhoused outreach the people in it for acknowledgement often become liabilities.
I guess it’s some sort of moral hurdle someone needs to pass when they do nice things for you and you don’t acknowledge them.
I personally do acknowledge them.
I just think that you shouldn't do it for the acknowledgement.
Mods have decided I didn't frame anything any way. So I guess there ya go.
You are right and basic acknowledgement of you helping someone should be normal and good
I don't disagree but if you don't want people to smile or say thank you or look you in the eyes what do you want them to do? Grunt of acknowledgement?
Grunt of acknowledgement?
That’s good enough.
Or a handjob, at the very least.
Ok good cause the only other thing I could think of is that strange nod men always talk about which I can't do as a woman
They don't know how to guy nod.
Just regular nod.Me as an NB I am a master of both.
Edit: Or maybe I'm a master of neither.
Either way I do both nods with the same level of skill
*proceeds to try to nod but moves my entire body instead in a strange bowing movement*
No but many men I've talked to claim there is some sort of man nod that they do at other men they see even if they're sttangers.
I bet they also think they'd have caught that pass in the super bowl too.
I actually just replied to another comment about this, but I totally agree!!
Americans are so fucking rude. I hold open doors and hardly ever a damn thank you, much less getting doors held open for me. I usually just loudly say "You're welcome!" but they just ignore that too. Makes me never want to hold doors open to strangers again, but the spirit of my grandmother would be disappointed in me and I just can't help it at this point.
It used to make me irrationally angry as well, but at some point in the past few years I’ve tried to stop letting things that happen in public get to me. My expectations are so low and the effort I put out anymore is even lower. When I’m out and about in public I try my best to keep to myself and ignore anything that isn’t gonna directly affect me.
Maybe this is a selfish way to go about it, but it is what it is. Being courteous doesn’t really benefit me in public most of the time. I’m not an outright dick to total strangers, I just don’t try very hard to be overly friendly.
when i was in high school i had severe anxiety from repressed, untreated ADHD (which sometimes made it hard for me to control my tone of voice) that would make me overthink the fuck out of scenarios like this. my mind would race with how i should enunciate "thanks" the right way and wondering if my voice will seem shaky or nervous, and by the time i was ready it'd be too late lmao
I go big nowadays. They did a nice thing and I'm gonna let em damn well know I appreciate it. Full "thank you very much"
I mean, why expect people to acknowledge something that they didn't request or need? Like, if they're holding an armfull of stuff, you help them with the door, and they don't acknowledge your help then yeah, you have a case. However, if they're just minding their business and you randomly open the door for them, then I think you're kinda being unreasonable to expect some kind of appreciation from someone when you don't know what their situation is.
Like, do you really expect some kind of report card on how good a boy/girl you were for holding open a door for some rando who might, for all you know, have a family member in the hospital, or be struggling to afford their bills, etc etc. If so, that lowkey makes you the Nice Guy asshole, expecting extra emotional labor from that person who really didn't ask for or even want that interaction with you.
Obviously, people are allowed to be preoccuppied with serious personal problems and it’s not fair to blow something like this out of proportion but at the same time,
Like, do you really expect some kind of report card on how good a boy/girl you were for holding open a door for some rando who might, for all you know, have a family member in the hospital, or be struggling to afford their bills, etc etc. If so, that lowkey makes you the Nice Guy asshole, expecting extra emotional labor from that person who really didn't ask for or even want that interaction with you.
Nah, I’m not getting into this nice guy debate about emotional labor, way too much abstraction over unproblematic common courtesy. I never said I was some paragon of virtue, I’m just a regular dude practicing social norms I’ve been taught and maybe trying to make both our days just a little bit better.
I mean, whether or not you wanna get into/acknowledge it is your choice, but that doesn't change the fact that that's what people feel when they don't feel up to giving you feedback for doing something they didn't ask for 🤷🏻♀️
Maybe it's a regional thing? Here in the Midwest, I always get an acknowledgement and a thank you for common courtesies like that
i get kind of flustered when people are holding doors and there's traffic going both ways i don't know who should go first so i'll cut through fast to remove myself, it probably seems dickish but i'm just trying to get out of the way
I thought the comments would be dragging put the tipping struggle sesh. It's even weirder, folks.
The people, they are finally tired of tip creep.
Door holding is where it's at now.
Never said I wasn't
I've been on the sidelines of so many CC and then later Hexbear struggle sessions that being in the middle of one feels like coach calling me off the bench tbh
Yep, I usually like to cook and then eat with some friends. Spitting costs lets us do it more often since it gets pretty cheap.
"hey man come eat at my place"
"oh yeah that'll be 3 euro 42 mate thanks"
this is dutch hospitality
as someone who has been homeless in the usa how is it we have better hospitality towards each other (ive fed friends while literally being homeless btw) than the dutch
I'd compare this to the Ferengi, but the Ferengi had a less blood-soaked colonialist past than Burgerland does.
