Politics Comm can't understand why people don't like Harris running right at every opportunity. Must just be bad actors wanting trump to win cause they're critical. Or just upset DNC is sprinting right after convention
I don't want Trump to win and that's why I'm not voting for Harris, since she's functionally identical to Trump.
At this point you can expect the democrats to do something utterly deranged like put Trump in the cabinet as an Ultimate Display of Bipartisanship so yeah I'm not voting for the party that will literally put republicans in office
Stop making Israel an election issue and worry about your own damn country.
My own damn country is the one arming their genocide. I didn't make it an election issue, they did. Fuck you.
jingoism is genuinely a disease. why should I have less empathy for people because they’re outside lines that dead generations drew around landmasses
why should I be expected to have more empathy for a person across the country in Los Angeles who I will never know than a person across the world in Palestine who I will never know. They weigh the same to me
Arming and providing cover against anyone that would think about helping stop it.
Oh and also cutting off aid due to unfounded Israeli alligations towards unwra
nah dude you can totally bear-hug a genocide in a country where like 75% of the genocider population routinely cycles through living in the US without affecting domestic politics at all, get it through your head. it's totally fine and doesn't affect your life at all that your manager at work personally shot 12 palestinian children in the head at point blank range.
How many thousands of women and children were simply LIVING in their homes when Israel voluntarily and with full knowledge of their civilian presence dropped a 1,000lb JDAM on them to eliminate a singular HAMAS target or two?
Look I'm voting for Harris but I really, really dislike how she goes into explicit detail on the events of October 7th but doesn't go into explicit detail on Palestinians crushed, decapitated, blown in half or to bits by explosives, maimed, shot, and yes sometimes raped by IDF. This double-standard of evocative imagery is in itself pretty disturbing.
this boils my blood
Look I'm voting for Harris
it's the r/politics religious mantra
Tbf he would get banned if he didn't add that to his comment. Even I do it sometimes on Lib subs even though I'm not American.
What are you arguing for, then? If you give them a pass to still vote for Kamala then your rhetoric causes no material change. Just eat the ban at that point.
It usually goes like "I'm voting for Biden but he's committing genocide and should be prosecuted for it hence I will now be looking for third party candidates like Jill Stein".
but why bother even talking with them if you have to say stupid shit to not get banned?
comfortable liberal who would be mollified by "we see you, we hear you" and empty platitudes mildly upset about lack of same
I'm speaking
Libs turned that shit into a meme. Kids dying and.... Fuck this pisses me offThese idiots would rather burn to death than get out of a house if a 'tanky' said the house was on fire
"Let's just agree to disagree," said the liberal to the smoke detector.
Heh, these stupid tankies keep saying the house is on fire. They're probably repeating Russian propaganda to benefit Trump.
It's always the same. Down to the well actually here's why turning it into glass is worse than just starving them like comments.
That shit is so disingenuous, "israel" wants to colonize that land, nobody is dropping a nuke anywhere.
The genocidal procedures taken by the IOF would not be different under Trump vs Harris.
But brah, it’s totally acceptable to overreact when one candidate doesn’t give us every little fucking thing we want, and MORE. They better cowtow, or I’m gonna keep being mean in comments because that’s useful and productive for reealz.
I’ll totally trash their bullshit because I’m not “working for the man”, dawg. Kamala is just more bullllshiiiit or whatever stupid thing we people say. Palestine on ma dingdong, and JillStein4Prez ✌️💩💩
It was a mistake to look at the comments
I hate this "oh so you want a perfect candidate who gives you everything you want" rhetoric.
- yes obviously that'd be ideal
But
- we live in the belly of the most murderous empire in human history, so I don't expect it, and the only demand I have, the only one (1) is "don't commit a genocide." I hate the rest of the Biden/Harris
platformregime's likely policies (they don't want to share a public platform) too, but if I genuinely believed she'd try to stop the genocide I'd hold my nose and voted for her, I've (I'm embarrassed to admit in such a cool radical space) done it before several times since I started hating the Dems out of hating the Republicans more, but I cannot in the face of genocide.
but if I genuinely believed she'd try to stop the genocide I'd hold my nose and voted for her, I've (I'm embarrassed to admit in such a cool radical space)
That's nothing to be embarrassed about, if that were a campaign promise (though her being the current VP and the genocide still going on would be fucked in it's own right) then that's a real reason to actually
, it's something actionable and would help millions, tangibly by allowing them to live, if ever voting in this hellscape mattered that's a compelling reason to. I'm sure many of us were ready to vote for Bernie because of his campaign promises and like that campaign, of course we can't have that, because this democracy is a farceNo I mean like I voted for Biden because the "Look he can't possibly be worse than Trump, do you really not care about abortion rights?" propaganda got to me even though I found Biden himself despicable (and then he turned around and committed genocide, so much for harm reduction. That's what I'm kind of ashamed of.
If I genuinely thought Kamala Harris would be Biden term 2 unchanged except working against the genocide instead of for it I'd be browbeating everyone I knew to vote for her.
Ohh I hear you. I do wish more people would reflect like you have on the promises Biden gave and the administration we got. Amnesia has taken hold.
I'd also be voting for her if she vowed to change course. Funny how you can get my vote that way.
Jill Stein is the compromise, you fucking lib. She is not my ideal candidate. The alternative is American Cultural Revolution. It will involve lots of guns and rope. You will not enjoy this alternative.
Why are they talking like a right-wing stereotype of a black person?
Sorting by controversial really brings out the bad takes.
I gotta say, I am so fucking angry about the abortion restrictions that the scumbag GOP implemented, that I will vote to keep the republicans out of power no matter what. as much as I hate the democrats, harris, and their genocidal policy in gaza, I also hate the republicans who support the same policies PLUS support murdering women through abortion restrictions.
call me a lib if you want. but I want to punish the republicans for the abortion shit and I have not been able to yet at all so I will not skip the chance to do so.
the dems are going to do about reproductive rights what they've done for the last forty years: jack shit while they fundraise off it. so this just boils down to genocide apologia to me
In 2007, then Senator Obama told Planned Parenthood signing that law would be "the first thing I'd do as president."
In April, 2009, the recently inaugurated Obama said that legislation to codify abortion rights into federal law "is not the highest legislative priority."
The democrats also had the numbers to end the filibuster and do it in the last congress but are evidently unwilling or incapable
The Democrats refuse to do any of the obvious things it would take to fix that shit. All you're doing is rewarding them for genocide.
Abortion bans are terrible. They're still not as heinous as literal genocide. They're still easier to solve and fight than genocide, in ways jat are obvious to anyone with a little spine and creativity.
Let's flip the script a little:
"I gotta say, I am so fucking angry about the genocide that the scumbag Democrats are committing, that I will vote (Republican) to keep the Democrats out of power no matter what. As much as I hate the Republicans, Trump, and their rapist policies in the US, I also hate the Democrats who materially support the same policies PLUS support genociding Palestinians.
Vote PSL, vote Green, or don't vote at all. If you choose to vote for genocide then you send rhe message that genocide is ok, make yourself complicit, and deserve whatever resulting karmic punishment comes your way.
Have some fucking solidarity. If you hate Republicans that much then find a way to hurt them that doesn't involve empowering Nazis.
except the difference is that republicans ALSO support the genocide in palestine. making your analogy inaccurate.
I have solidarity with the women who can't get abortions, and exercise it one way that takes 5 minutes, by voting for the party that can feasibly win and supports abortion rights. there is no viable option in the presidential election to have solidarity with palestinians and with women, unfortunately. I will have to express my solidarity with palestinians outside of the ballot box.
The Democrats also support abortion bans. They had a chance to codify abortion rights under Obama but didn't. They stood by as Republicans restricted abortion access in many states even before the Dobbs decision. They've had control of the presidency since 2021 and haven't done anything to fix the Supreme Court stacking.
Democrats would rather use abortion as a fundraising cudgel than do anything about it.
Doesn't sound like you have solidarity with Palestinian women.
woop woop woop this thing is detecting genocide apologia off the chartsExplain the differences in their actual policies put into practice, nerd
Neither candidate will be better for gaza because both parties don't want gaza to exist anymore.
There is in fact an argument to be made that since Trump is so fucking lazy and senile he'll do less harm because he'll be capable of less things in general
Fuck just look at the numbers on Trump vs. Biden when it comes to deportations, new oil well approvals, military budget, etc.
It isn't. Now explain how a Harris win is better for Gaza.
Spoiler alert!
You can't.
There is no better option, there is no lesser evil between the two. Both party are the same evil with a different presentation.
How is a Harris win better for Gaza? You peoples can never explain this. You take for granted that the Democrats are always less bad no matter what they do and try to force this assumption onto everyone else by trying to force discussions to start from this assumption, so that you don't have to talk about it. And whenever someone doesn't bite and insist that you showing evidence that the Dems are less bad than the Reps, you get angry, rant about Trump, try ad-hoc explanation to try to hanwave away the very bad things the Dems are openly doing and when that still doesn't work you try to handwave away every arguments against you by calling us trolls or bots or secret Trump supporters.
If you had any leg to stand on there, you obviously wouldn't be doing that. Because all you would have to do is to point out to us your evidences that the Democrats are less evil than the Republicans.
But since you don't have any, the only way for you to "win" that argument is to lash out and come up with ad-hoc explanations as to why arguments against you thesis have to be wrong by default without having to think about the arguments themselves.
You fucking idiots keep stumbling in here trying to browbeat people into voting for genocidal psychopaths. Fuck off.
Person 1: "I bombed your house and killed your family!"
Person 2: "I will 100% bomb your house and kill your family if given the chance!"
Person 3: "I agree with person 1!"
Biden, Trump, Harris in that order.
There is no difference. You keep saying "better." We keep saying there is no better. I suggest reading and comprehending instead of re-asking the same question.
If they read, they wouldn't have come here regurgitating talking points.
You'd at least pretend to oppose it when he does it, instead of trying to run interference for him like you're doing now.
Kamala/Trump policies are virtually the same.
However, if Trump won, you'd suddenly care about Gaza because it's badman doing it instead of goodwoman.
At this point, I've decided to just start slapping the taste out of democrats' mouths and following it up with "A republican would have shot you."
disenfranchising Democrats
deeply unserious vote brained gabagool
The best case for Gaza is Harris taking a serious stand against sending weapons to Israel in order to court the many voters who have expressed that support of a genocide is a deal breaker. That won't happen without people protesting the policies of this administration and making it clear that they won't accept this.
Gaza protestors aren't focusing on how they're withholding their votes from Trump because they weren't going to vote for Trump in the first place so there is no leverage.
Sorry, but Harris is the best case scenario for Gaza.
Incorrect. Claudia De La Cruz, Jill Stein, and other candidates are firmly anti-genocide, unlike Harris who is pro-genocide.
Donald “Muslim Ban” Trump will help make the current situation in Gaza look quaint.
What, materially, would he do that the DNC isn't already doing?
find it really odd that protesters in the U.S. absolutely refuse to discuss Trump -who still has a good chance of winning- in terms of Gaza.
Trump isn't President. None of us here want Trump either, both Kamala and Trump are aligned on being pro-genocide, therefore neither is an option.
s to the degree that I firmly believe protest leadership is less about helping Gaza and more about disenfranchising Democrats.
The Democrats need to be disenfranchised if they continue to support genocide. Taking a pro-genocide stance like the DNC is a bad thing and should be punished.
And to all those who sputter, “it’s Biden/Harris paying Israel”, I say this: U.S. has been supporting Israel for 80 years and that includes the Trump administration.
Correct. Death to America, the world will not be free from the tyranny of the American Empire until it collapses.
Is this a Nazi troll or Hasbara... oh. Same thing.
Or really really shitty joke/sarcasm with absolutely zero tone indicators if it is.
Donald who? Is Trump RIGHT NOW at this exact moment in charge of signing off on funds and arms to Israel? This is absolute yes or no. All answers that aren't yes or no are invalid for this one. Does Trump have actual power to end aid or continue approving it? [let me help: the answer is "no")
Therefore if you are seeking to get me to vote for Joe or Kamala (keep trying!) you should stick on to the meaningful politics we currently exist in. One in which Joe Biden is president. He can control if Israel receives aid. The president has broad, broad, almost 100% discretion when it comes to arming "allies." Note the weapons Saudi Arabia, Ukraine, and Israel all receive. Note that they are not all the same! Some of this stuff is negotiated with Congress, between parties, in the DoD (which the president is commander of), but ultimately when it comes down to it congress passes funding -> the president executes the laws/funding, whatever via delegated powers to their cabinet and dept heads. But the president ultimately holds all this power. In theory and in practice as far as we can all see.
So if Kamala, who has been virtually silent besides some "empathetic" phrase changes since Oct 2023, wants me, her potential voter, to believe she represents the end of genocide and apartheid in Palestine she needs to articulate ways in which Biden was/is wrong, ways in which she differs from him, and sure here you go, you've waited for it soooo long! How she's different from Trump too. Spoiler: Trump = Biden on the subject of Palestine. Maybe Trump will say "we love genocide, don't we folks?" While he approves bombe. Who gives a shit what he says, that's liberal dogshit, the results are exactly the fucking same.
If Kamala Harris wants to stop being the same as Biden here's the obvious thing she's known for almost a year: say openly that Biden must immediately stop arming and funding Israel. Israel is committing a genocide (hey, I'll let her weasel with "might be- so we have to investigate"). The US must cooperate directly with the UN to immediately take action, militarily if necessary (and it is necessary) to restrain the IOF from further bloodshed and destabilization.
All of that is like "no shit!" tip of the iceberg no fucking brainer kindergarteners could figure it out. "These Nazi people have been displacing and genociding these other people for how many decades? Uh, maybe STOP HELPING THE NAZIS???"
You are in favor, apparently, of helping the Nazis shred more baby skulls though.
You need to immediately rethink your entire pathetic life if you are ok with thousands of innocents dying. You are coping. You are deluded by the liberal circus you are engulfed in. You need to get out of it before the tap runs out and you're forced into a harsh cold turkey situation where the cope is gone, the party is over, and you have no fucking clue where you are or what's going on.
Genuine question here, how many babies would Biden/Harris need to help murder before you would stop wanting to vote for them. A million? 10 million? And you keep saying Trump would be worse but Biden has repeatedly said he considers himself an honorary Zionist and there is seemingly zero daylight between his position and Kamala.
Exactly, because AmeriKKKan Liberalism is a white supremacist, American chauvinist, nationalist ideology. They simply do not consider people like us human. To them we are untermensch fit only for extermination.
The point is that worms like you will do anything to normalise genocide of Arab peoples.
This Fantasy perfect response is to... *stop arming a genocidal state. *
All your accomplishing here is the expression that you just don't think Palestinians are really human. Perhaps you don't think they're animals, but they're just complete non-entities in your mind.
If your reality as you perceive it is the same as ours, that our government is enabling genocide, then this is a government that is deeply evil. And in your learned helplessness and political impotence, your lack of imagination and will to change things beyond standing in line to cast a vote and thinking "I did my part", you scold people for not wanting to vote for the Democrat.
How does it feel to be so morally hollowed out that you would blithely describe an end to a genocide as a "perfect fantasy response"?
And to all those who sputter, “it’s Biden/Harris paying Israel”, I say this: U.S. has been supporting Israel for 80 years and that includes the Trump administration.
That’s why we’re voting for neither of them and consider every modern president a war criminal.
Hey two people are offering to burn down my house and kill my family. One of them will cry and say sorry after. The other one will flip me off and piss on my shoes. I know which offer I'm going to accept!
Trump could finally get the well-deserved infarction we've all been waiting for and y'all would instantly pivot to the next excuse for why nothing can get better ever without a hint of cognitive dissonance.
"Trump shit my pants"
Trump is the new hitler for liberals. A scapegoat they can wash off all their sins on. The jesus of evil.
I'm not voting for someone complicit in genocide. If you want to, go for it, but don't act like you kicking the can down the road for four years in any way acts as harm reduction.
I can only express my hatred for you and every genocidal liberal worm through this song
I hope it stays dark forever
I hope the worst isn't over
I hope that you blink before I do
And I hope I never get sober
And I hope when you think of me years down the line you can't find one good thing to say
And I hope that if I had the strength to walk out you'd stay the hell out of my way
I am drowning
There is no sign of land
You are coming down with me
Hand in unlovable hand
And I hope you die
I hope we both die
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
until they get the big wet boy back.
tactic of putting words in peoples mouths
