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This man has never read Marx. This are the same second-hand shit takes all libertarians got about Marx.
Marx constantly cites “Capitalist” economists in his writing. He also cites Government Reports when he talks about stolen wages, punishment of laborers, child labor, etc., not “museum shit.”
Also the Labor Theory of Value isn't even something Marx came up with! It was an existing idea at the time- acting like the LTV is Marx's sole insight is absurd
Even if you discard the LTV (and a lot of modern Marxists do), the idea of extracted surplus value still survives. Your boss pays you less than what your boss gets from your work - or else they wouldn't have hired you in the first place. It doesn't matter where the value comes from, the workers don't get paid more than what they contribute - at least on average. (Unless you have a bullshit job or your company is a fraudulent scheme.)
Yeah. The way I like to think of it is that the boss is an unnecessary part of the process, so it is fundamentally in the collective self interest of the workers to remove the boss from the process.
Eh, the way that I think of it iis that management is essential. Resource management is as important as the resources themselves, it's the capital class siphoning this value that's to blame, not your typical management.
@NotARobot probably meant boss as in owner rather than mere manager. Strategy and tactics are still needed to direct production, the difference would be in who benefits from the control of production.
Besides he and Engels toured around workshops. Also there was a huge tradition of pre socialist experience going on before Marx.
Yep, those were Utopianists who were no better than these fucking libs we have today. Scientific Socialism gang whats up
That would be too easy and to rough a sketch. While many early and pre marxist socialists were not antipathic to utopian ideas not all of them were utopists or idealists. Even the utopists though were parts of the relations of their times.
Marx: the sky is blue
Mint article writer: walks outside and looks up, ah, you claim the sky is blue yet it's actually a gaseous mixture which reflects a specific wavelength of light thanks to raleigh scattering. no I won't say which wavelength, it doesn't matter, you are wrong
If a text contains the word guru you immediately know it is just a bunch of malarkey.
Sounds like about as much of a real job as being a landlord, or a shitty columnist for a business magazine.
If climate change really does turn Earth into an uninhabited toxic mud ball, at least I'll know that these dumbasses won't ever mentally assault anyone again with their stupid stupid STUPID bullshit
The worker is not a slave! He is merely forced to sell himself to the capitalists in order to eat! This is a joyous freedom.
"to the last I grapple with thee; from hell’s heart I stab at thee; for hate’s sake I spit my last breath at thee"
Elon Musk "we may be spending our whole lives eating protein cubes and staring at a steel tube, but we've provided an important counter-narrative to the doomers"
Management gurus are people who get paid absurd amounts of money to say vapid, obvious things to corporate upper management, like "Executives are constrained not by resources but by their imagination." The bar for these people is so low that the fact he even mentions Marx and "extraction of surplus" at all makes him an impressive overachiever compared to his peers.
Lol the Chinese are so brainwashed and can't think for themselves, unlike me, the Marx understander 😎
In an information society, the worker owns his or her tools (i.e., skills and knowledge)
You can't even install a non-Internet Explorer browser on a lot of work computers because IT considers it unsafe. You don't even have full control of the software you bought. And if management decides you're using new software tomorrow that you think sucks - fuck you, you'll learn to love it.
Also the most important part of worker alienation isn't from the tools - it's from the products. You can't afford what you're making or you can't control what you're making - whether it's ethical, honest, safe. You're a tiny replaceable cog doing a boring task, working toward a goal you don't like, and most profits go to people who did none of the work. You have to be blind or on happy pills to not see that this is true for workers today.
Also with so many apps, you don't actually have ownership of them; you just have permission to download and use them
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Californian_Ideology
And that if these ghouls had bothered to actually read Adam Smith, they'd know he likely would've agreed with Marx on a shitload of stuff that Smith had no chance to see firsthand as capitalism developed and became the dominant economic ideology.
Boss: “Hey, use your skills and knowledge in the way I want or you’re fired”
Worker: “Okay”
Well, look at that. Control. 🤔
The dumbest part is that even though Marx didn't tour factories himself - his constant collaborator Engels did!
Engels' family owned and operated factories and made him manage them. Plus Engels had an Irish working class lover/life partner who showed him her circles' perspective. AND Engels' original journalistic accounts of working and living conditions in industrial England are some of the best of the time. Together, Marx and Engels understood industrial capitalism so well that they were too ahead of time in their predictions - the same level of development hadn't reached France and Germany when they were commenting on it, much less the rest of Europe. But eventually it did.
