AI : the boss should be fired, didn't make a single cup of coffee all month
Wait I’ve only learned a little about project cybersyn, did Pinochet destroy it because it said he sucked? Or just cause commie bad?
I think the answer is "yes, and yes". It was an ideological heresy and it threatened his paymasters.
But - ironically enough - he still fell back on it in the end, because Chile needed the revenues from the copper industry in order to function. Privatizing the country's largest revenue stream would have meant downsizing the military. And that threatened Pinochet's control of the country. So he ended up doing all the same fundamental state-run economy shit Allende was trying to master, just a decade later and after having shot half the guys in Chile who knew what they were doing.
Weird how socialist ideas are well thought out good ideas that work. Thanks for the info!
in the world we live in the boss what decisions to make, not the AI. the AI is simply there to help the owners decide who to throw to the dogs
*AI is there to justify management's decisions, and occasionally to spark ideas management can use in lieu of listening to workers or doing their fucking job and coming up with big brain stuff themselves.
In college I worked for a few months at a little coffee shop in a mall and it had two cameras: one in the main area and one in the back storage room. They went to a feed that the owner would watch from his house and if he saw me sitting down or doing something else objectionable, he'd call the store and chew me out. I was eventually fired when they had a re-training for all three of us employees and I didn't smile enough during it, according to the manager
Anyway, all coffee shops need to be unionized or worker co-ops; death to coffee shop management
I was eventually fired when they had a re-training for all three of us employees and I didn't smile enough during it,
I'm old enough to remember scary propaganda about how the USSR was a surveillance nightmare world where every moment, waking or asleep, was monitored for loyalty and efficiency checking.
And these fucking techbro bootlickers are cheering for this because it's for the benefit of billionaires with pedo islands.
For what it's worth, this guy is likely lying about the actual capabilities of this system.
Tracking the time the person has spent in view is a legitimate task this software can accomplish (although this was called person/object detection/tracking long before AI was the newest buzzword).
The number of cups the baristas are making? Likely bullshit.
Exactly, tracking time in frame is a pretty standard CV task. Tracking # cups of coffee made would be require more sophistication than any cafe in the world could afford, if it's even possible to do reliably.
Purely guessing for fun:
If it can reliably recognise workers, and every worker is only making coffee for their own customers: count how many coffees the worker entered into the POS system based on timestamps.
Yeah that would be one way to do it without any computer vision tech. Recognizing workers might be a stretch even, that would require a model to be trained on shitloads of pictures of every single employee.
I think it can be pretty easily setup by the company contracting out this software with a single consultant/engineer
You can see in the photo that there's a clear division of customers and employees separated by the counter
So hardcode in the counter coordinates on the camera screen and any human detected to the right of the counter can automatically be assumed to be a worker and anybody left of it can be assumed to be a customer
From how it looks in the screenshot, every worker has a differently colored tracer following their movement. Why mess around with face recognition, when you can just pin an led badge to every worker
Because you can call it AI and squeeze an extra comma out of the coked-out VC ghouls funding your company
You could still do that without using any advanced AI. It's not like the customers or VC ghouls are going to know the difference.
Calling algorithms AI is a time honored tradition.
I do some applied ML on photos/videos and I feel like this should be pretty simple
Manually map out the coordinates of the counter and add a bounding box of coffee cups/mugs in addition to your baristas. Count how many times an overlapping coffee mug and barista bounding box enters the bounding box of the counter
I guess that would work if you structured the shop's entire workflow around being recognizable by the program. Even then, pairing this with employee recognition and considering all the edge cases it would be very hard to pull off. It would be a really cool problem to hash out if it wasn't for such a cartoonish evil application.
Just think of all the resources needed to achieve this feat of human ingenuity. Only to use it to squeeze an extra .25% profit out of a barista.
Its crazy that this would be a thing AI would need to do when any half descent accountant could simply measure cups-poured by shift and sift the data for the most productive employees. Even then, the bottleneck in this shop is certainly not the staffers themselves. The work space is tiny and the equipment is antiquated. You're investing god knows how much in AI when you'd be far better off renovating.
You could just track cups via the tills. I don't get it, none of this adds anything at all that doesn't already exist. You already produce a record of transactions per employee via receipts produced in the cash registers.
none of this adds anything at all that doesn't already exist
The last decade of western technological advancement in a nutshell.
The tracking doesn't even matter, the number of cups is not even a useful statistic. Why would anyone want to track that?
I assume the 5 or so people behind the counter have their own responsibilities and work as a team instead of competing to serve the most cups.
WOuldnt the number of cups be tracked by sales anyways?
99% of applications for neural networks are just replacing sensors and measurement systems with a crude approximation implemented using image recognition that works (at best) only in the ideal demo scenario they present to investors/clients
A friend of mine worked for a company that was trying to sell a warning system for unfastened seatbelts using a webcam in the console
that's even worse because it means a bunch of people will get fired because techbros sold gullible business majors some machine learning snake oil
The overlay looks fake AF. And the Facebook OP screams egotistical douche.
Not arguing against the reality that something like this can/does exist, but I question the authenticity of the post.
This doesn't look significantly different from the AI I've seen them use inside amazon distribution centers.
They deployed ostensibly to ensure that employees were maintaining Covid 6ft separation, but everyone knew the real reason was to watch for employee gathering that might be union organizing.
I will steal this for my dystopian cyberpunk campaign that runs on/off for 15 years now. I have to admit the things capitalists come up with are more dystopian than my "bad world" fantasy is.
I like to have people in bad world be exposed to the idea of something in the real world (American healthcare) and go "holy shit, we're not barbarians"
Yeah, nice round numbers, tracking groups as one, there's no way this is real here.
That's not Facebook, it's LinkedIn, and being an egotist is kinda par for the course
It's probably a shitty prototype that doesn't work properly. They're trying to get people to invest so they can create a "full version" (that will probably be exactly as functional, just looking flashier.)
Do you think you could fool it by pouring endless cups of tap water?
These productivity losers don’t understand the appeal of certain places. I frequent some shops specifically to speak to the baristas because I like them
Maybe if they stop chatting with you, you'll leave and be replaced by a more transactional and efficient customer.
Reminds me of Kurt Vonneguts player piano where the only professions that couldn't be replaced where barbers, bartender and the guys maintaining the machines that replaced everyone else
Lol bartender. They can't truly be replaced but they will be replaced with a shitty glorified vending machine
That's what they tried in the book, and it didn't work. The story follows an engineer that doesn't understand why he couldn't replace bartenders. Other stuff happens too, but that's sorta host starting point
One of the most pernicious parts of this fucking shit is that this collects reams and reams of data, but that data is a rough fit for the actual information they're trying to extract, and it's bound to be reviewed by people who fundamentally have no idea what it really means.
So not only are they actually squeezing every drop of sweat from employees, and using it as an excuse to constantly record people who might try to organize, which is the obvious use- it's also constantly harassing people who are just trying to do the fucking work, labeling them as making mistakes when they aren't.
Yeah, some upper management goon is gonna come up with some impossible KPIs
Yeah that and just, picking stupid ones that sort of sound right and getting really obsessed with them. Like if camera-monitored drivers need to watch someone drifting into their lane or something, the thing might dock them points for "inattentiveness" because they weren't looking ahead. Or customer eye contact, or stance, or time between orders for baristas. Shit like that.
They get these whizz bang technologies from consultants that could potentially be insightful (at least for their own benefit) if the people using them were thoughtful and educated enough to understand the limitations of the data, but they aren't.
I know, right? Abusive human labour would never happen under any other system. Only capitalism is capable of this.
cough R504 Koylma Highway cough
The road is treated as a memorial by some, as the bones of the estimated 250,000–1,000,000 imprisoned laborers[3] who died while constructing it were allegedly laid beneath or around the road, although documented sources have yet to confirm this through further evidence.[4]
@Isoprenoid@programming.dev is treated as a pedophile by some, as the bones of an estimated 250,000-1,000,000 molested children who died at his hand are allegedly laid beneath or around his home, although documented sources have yet to confirm this through further evidence.
cough "...although documented sources have yet to confirm this through further evidence." [citation needed] cough
Not even the wikipedia page you posted is willing to call this anything but hearsay. Don't waste peoples time with this shit
Do you think there are never any human labour abuses under communist regimes?
so let's recap: you said that abuses took place under communism, implying that therefore we cannot ascribe the violence of labor under capitalism to capitalism, or imagine that anything could be otherwise. this is already a nonsequitur, but then the explicit example you provided was shown to be highly spurious, so now you've resorted to just begging the question. do you have anything else to contribute to the discussion here or are you just twiddling your thumbs?
so let’s recap
Acktually ....
My final point would be this: whether its capitalism, communism, or some other mishmash, if humans are involved and are building the system, someone is gonna get the short end of the stick.
The problem isn't the -isms, it's people.
The problem isn't the -isms, it's people.
That is about the most absurd claims I have heard in a long, long time.
Does expose that you see other humans as problems instead of as humans.
That quote about how under capitalism, you begin to see other people as obstacles to your freedom
My final point would be this: whether its capitalism, communism, or some other mishmash, if humans are involved and are building the system, someone is gonna get the short end of the stick.
Your final point? So far you've made none, and you've failed to engage with people responding to your argument in good faith. This "point" of yours you've already made before, but you've failed to engage with the people responding to it.
Are you always such a little pissbaby?
Do better, educate yourselfAre you always such a little pissbaby?
Yes. You worked it out. Well done.
Your final point? So far you’ve made none
So when I wrote "this is my final point", that didn't count as a final point? Wow, I didn't know that it didn't work that way. Thank you for correcting me.
So when I wrote "this is my final point", that didn't count as a final point?
Yes because things don't just become something because you say it. For you to have a final point, you need to make a point. You failed to do so. Hope this helps!
Thank you for correcting me.
You're welcome! Glad to see you're developing some humility. This is the first step towards not being a dickhead :)
Communism as a system is structured to reduce exploitation of workers by eliminating the profit motive and instead produce on a centrally planned basis to meet everyone's needs.
Capitalism as a system is structured to exploit the maximum amount of labor to generate high profits for the capitalist class.
Both systems will have instances of exploitation of labor. The difference is one of them is structured around increasing it, the other decreasing it to the point of abolishing it entirely. Judging socialist projects because of cases of exploitation of labor, in their nascent stages, is like criticizing capitalism in the aftermath of the French Revolution because there were still parts of France that maintained similar conditions to Feudalism for some years.
in their nascent stages
I could argue that we're still in the nascent stages of capitalism. Claiming "nascent stages" is like claiming "but that wasn't real communism. If we did this this way it would be better."
You might’ve read what he wrote but you didn’t quite understand it.
I could argue that we're still in the nascent stages of capitalism.
You could argue that but you'd be wrong, and you'd also fail to engage with the argument the other user gave you. Have you considered you're maybe not such a smart little boy as you think you are?
Glad to hear it! Though I would caution against changing your worldview based on a single interaction. I'd recommend widening your horizon and gathering information in order to have a well-grounded worldview. If you need literature please feel free to ask!
We're at least 200 years into capitalism and it's reached the end of its lifespan. As the USSR and now China, DPRK, Cuba, Vietnam, and Laos and some other places demonstrate. Even if they didn't prove that humanity is ready to transition into the next stage of development, we would know that capitalism is on its death bed for one simple reason: if it continues for much longer it will destroy almost all life on the planet. The best thing about capitalism is it's lifespan.
We’re at least 200 years into capitalism
That's pretty short.
No argument there. Just goes to show how destructive it is. Almost like the increasing concentration of capital in fewer and fewer hands with the increasing impoverishment of the masses of workers is a recipe for revolution. We can marvel at how rapid the contradictions within the capitalist mode of production led to it's end.
I think the one you posted as a gocha has no proof, and now you're fumbling. Consider the fact that you might not be all-knowing.
Consider the fact that the reason your arguments are met with mockery is not because they scare us or challenge our worldview, but because we have already encountered them and investigated them. There is nothing novel about your input.
Consider the fact that we're almost all westerners - we have all encountered the same propaganda as you have. We've just looked into itnow you’re fumbling
This isn't a sport, nor a zero sum game. We're discussing something. There is no winner or loser, that's not how a conversation works.
Consider the fact that you might not be all-knowing.
Again, do you treat all discussions as some kind of debating game?
There is nothing novel about your input.
I'm considering not becoming a communist purely to avoid having to encounter characters like the one in this thread.
This isn't a sport, nor a zero sum game. We're discussing something. There is no winner or loser, that's not how a conversation works.
I wasn't using a sport metaphor lmao. You're still fumbling.
Again, do you treat all discussions as some kind of debating game?
I treat this interaction like a game, because it is impossible to take seriously
I'm considering not becoming a communist purely to avoid having to encounter characters like the one in this thread.
"Someone was rude to me, so now I'm a fascist"
Do you think there are never any human labor abuses under capitalist regimes?
Oh woah, got me there, bruv. Guess we should throw the bath water out.
We should consider the fact that the current system is not viable and not be afraid to critique it or look towards alternatives. Why are you so knee-jerkingly defensive of capitalism?
Cuba has a higher life expectancy than the US.
China has a higher median wage than some European countries.Cuba has a higher life expectancy than the US. China has a higher median wage than some European countries.
Now it's my turn to ask for sources.
According to the UN Cuban life expectancy is 79, the us is 76.
You can look at the data right here: https://population.un.org/wpp/
China is 2 years higher than the US btw.
I would simply remove the baby first. it's not a good metaphor for your purposes because throwing a baby is actually difficult to do by accident, whereas throwing out bathwater without a baby is very easy and does not in any way require that. In this case we would retain labor- and lifesaving industrial technologies, but reject the hoarding of profit and the enslavement of human existence.
I previously assumed yes, but you seem to be struggling to find an example.
oh well, i guess there is no alternative and we must abandon all radical critique of the actually existing order!
just kidding, chug mercury techbro douche
All things equally right and wrong therefore the status quo is good and desirable
"the bones are allegedly there"
They couldn't find any proof but I believe you. It's not at all probable this was one of many red scare lies cooked up to propagandize you. If it weren't true then there wouldn't not be evidence for the claim
This Zybyszek fella gets it. I can't scroll on LinkedIn or I will need to burn things.
I can't scroll on LinkedIn or I will need to burn things.
I refuse to even make one, regardless of how much it hurts my "Career." I frankly can't stand social media outside of the lefty websites I go on. makes me wanna tear my hair out.
I have one that only contains my name and resume (I refuse to add a picture). The only time I ever use the site is to update the resume. I got my last job from a recruiter contacting me via linkedin so I don't really want to delete it.
I'm pretty sure I would go mad if I had to look at other people's posts on there though
I'm pretty sure I would go mad if I had to look at other people's posts on there though
same
but you're paying for the glorious privilege to drink cartel-grown bean juice from a country crippled by IMF loans watered by the tears of the farmers who've never even gotten to taste the end product... oh and they've added whipped cream on top
B-B-But I thought AI would just give us goofy art, funny Dagoth-Ur monologues and my own submissive internet waifu. I thought it would usher a new era of enlightenment and prosperity. Did the tech-bros lie to me?
The biggest issue is that when the AI reports to its masters that Olga has only made 3 cups and they fire her it will be assumed that the AI is infallible and no matter how much she protests she will be assumed to be in the wrong.
I’m sure a database of which companies do this sort of thing will appear online eventually and people will need to not furnish these companies with their patronage. It’s the only way to stop it.
Consumer boycott has never forced an effective change in history. What we need are regulations.
Frantically looking up the cost of powder coating "Regulations" on an AR magazine
This is already a modern hellscape scenario that happens. Check out the UK postmaster scandal, a piece of software said that >100 postmasters across the country were stealing money. They all protested their innocence. Many were imprisoned for decades. Many committed suicide over it. Years afterward, they realised the software might be faulty, and didn't say anything. Only recently did they have to admit that it was probably a bug.
The quasi-religious belief that technology can not make mistakes and somehow lacks the biases of those that make it and program it continues to fuck us all.
Those postmasters got screwed! Some remortgaged their homes, all sorts, to pay what the computer said was missing from the till.
people will need to not furnish these companies with their patronage. It’s the only way to stop it.
now that's what I call powerlessness
Does not compute
