stuff like "Well you call them the scum of the earth, why wouldnt they hate you"
Why are parts of the left like this? Seemingly caring more about courting the psychopath incel who wants a white ethnostate rather than stand in solidarity and antiracism with POC?
i always get disgusted and disillusioned when i come upon it
Cause deep down they understand them. White settlers identifying with other white settlers. Even though they might legitimately disagree with them, fundamentally they don’t see them as a threat to their existence and view the disagreement as purely academic. They understand and are sympathetic to how these people arrived at their views. And really they’re only one hardship away from becoming completely reactionary themselves, as we saw with Covid.
Idk, that’s always been my take.
good take, yep
i can see myself going down the incel path, if circumstances were different and i was AMAB, it coulda happened. therefore i have a certain level of empathy and understanding towards those ppl inherently (not that i give a shit about courting them or whatever, fuck that shit lmao). but with poc i need to actually listen to other people's perspectives and stuff instead of just inherently getting it. that's waaay too hard for most white ppl
See also: that episode of the podcast where Amber said "cops are working class" for an hour and a half, aka the one that got me to stop listening.
Amber actually was one of the reasons I stopped listening too, after she went off on people who cut ties with abusive parents "We all hate our parents as teens. Grow up. Get over it."
lol what
The more I grow, the more I realized how fucked up it was the way my mother treated me, the less I feel like speaking to her.
Amber was one of the reasons I never started listening to Chapo.
The Venn diagram between Village people personae and demographics Amber wants to outreach is a circle except for the Indigenous Chief.
I hate that so much. "Leftists pushed me to the right." No you were always a piece of shit but didn't realize it until someone accurately called you out on it. Am I supposed to coddle people who are deliberately calling me the wrong pronoun? Am I supposed to be nice to my cousins who are active Klan members?
When I've unionized we've inevitably worked with reactionary people who have incorrect priorities. The best way to get them to shut up is show them they're outnumbered and to tell them to shut the fuck up. Bullying works.
I don't want the approval of fascists, I want them either dead or so afraid of speaking that they don't.
Why are parts of the left like this? Seemingly caring more about courting the psychopath incel who wants a white ethnostate rather than stand in solidarity and antiracism with POC?
Because crackers, 'progressive' or regressive, will always bear water and run defense for white supremacy before they ever consider liberating the subjects of empire that they feel entitled to camaraderie from and companionship with. It never fails. It's the same root from which springs the perennial "we don't have a race issue in Amerika, just a class issue" out of radlibs and anarchists, it's the same root from which springs the "well he was no angel, clearly he deserved it" out of the copsuckers and conservatives.
Crackers will always close ranks around their own before they ever think about reparating or restituting. "Leftists" like Amber are exactly why I don't trust the white left, and only organize with Black formations and organizations anymore.
Common frauddogg W.
Marginalized groups should be in charge of their own liberation. If privileged people actually want to help, they should get behind the marginalized groups and follow, not grandstand over them trying to take power and acting with a white savior complex
I hate that this is the connection my brain made here but recency bias got me...
A recent BadEmpanada vid contrasted the white anti-apartheid activists in south africa joining the black resistance orgs, vs the israeli "anti-apartheid" types almost exclusively forming their own little NGOs among themselves and condemning actual resistance groups.
Same shit throughout history
Malcolm X stated that was the reason he avoided working with white people and he later regretted turning away one white college student because she was like the one white person who genuinely wanted to follow black leadership.
we don't have a race issue in Amerika
I can't even imagine someone saying this IRL without getting dogpiled. fucking hell
Keyboards make everybody a lot bolder than they would be in grass-space
The “common knowledge” amongst normie libs and Chuds is that America is the least racist country on Earth, and actually it is the dastardly Chinese that are the real racists
Black formations and organizations
Maybe a silly question, but are they still open to other people of color?
The one I'm part of doesn't to my knowledge; but I think the African People's Socialist Party is more open to all-and-sundry tho from what I've seen thus far
It's weird how she doesn't apply the same logic to people who hate fascists. They call me the scum of the Earth! Why shouldn't I hate them?
There's definitely a huge difference between her and the rest of Chapo. Like the other three have moved pretty far to the left since the show began that I'm surprised that they still associate with her and have her on as a guest sometimes.
Like the other three have moved pretty far to the left
you might say its like her opinions are stuck in a sticky resinous substance, trapping them in time.....
I'm surprised that they still associate with her
Most people in that social sphere are pretty friendly. Brace and Liz are pretty close to the Red Scare women. Podcasters don't seem to really alienate people for political reasons.
I'm calling them the scum of the earth because they already did hate me and I hate them back. We've been doing this shit back and forth since Bush Jr., I didn't just emerge from the ether and instigate this by calling DeusVult69 a fucking dick out of nowhere in 2016
Being a property owner and small business owner who says extremely offensive things and jokes about killing people at 48 years old…. It’s okay, he didn’t go to college, they don’t know any better
Being a debt ridden queer working two minimum wage jobs unrelated to their college degree at age 26, who thinks everyone being more polite and thoughtful would help society… you idiot, you moron, you disgusting bitch.
She comes out of a trend that primarily exists in the DSA that functionally believes all the same things American Democrats do, just with Medicare for All (which itself is a half-assed liberal pollicy that they latched onto because it wasn't as "scary" as state run healthcare) and Green New Deal haphazardly tacked onto the platform.
They only believe in one thing, their own individual power. They don't care about advancing materially definable working class politics, proletarian revolution, or even some sort of morally righteous politics. Just get more racist so the racists will put them in power and they'll take care of the rest. Many of these people are minorities but they feel vindicated by the pundits saying the Democrats lost because of identity politics because they've taken to the politics of the reactionary proletariat.
They sow the seeds of their own destruction with their opportunism though. Their lazy organizing and blatant opportunism is what has cause the DSA to collapse from its height a few years ago. I'm sure they've seen new growth since then but they'll chase those new people away too.
I wonder if Amber realizes a lot of the times, those fucking white kids are the ones that instigates to the point where POCs have all the right to call them out. No fucking shit they call them scum of the earth when the other side is calling people like me c**** or the usual phrase "go back to where you're from" while we are minding our own business, but I guess we still have to coddle those fuckers for some reason.
Annoying her dogshit takes live rent free in my head and have for some time. I think I could live with her being so annoyingly wrong if she wasn't also so condescending
She reminds me of the type of other kid you meet in school who, for whatever reason, decides that you're a dumbass and they need to be your straight talking older sibling. Also I know it's not very substantive to go in on how someone sounds, but the way she also talks like a stereotypical "mean girl" during all this just rubs me the wrong way. Like why are you complaining about people being rude to the rudest fucks on earth when you yourself talk like everyone who isn't them or you is stupid?
It seems like some kind of...I guess I'd call it "Reactionary Realism", that noxious "well that's just the way it is, toughen up buttercup" way of passively enabling shitty behavior and shitty systems. As if "that's just the way it is" isn't the most useless conclusion possible in almost any situation, one that would have kept humankind from harnessing fire if it had been left at that back then.
"Do these settler-colonial social norms deserve my contempt? No; it's the misfits who are weak and contemptible."
people like amber say shit like this because imo they're desperate to distance themselves from the fascist's made stereotype of left wing people, where we're all overly sensitive, "PC", whatever bullshit you normally hear. just like when someone from a minority group agrees with white supremacists in hopes that they'll be deemed "one of the good ones". i don't know why certain people are just dying to be called "one of the good ones" by the literal worst people on earth. these people ARE the scum of the earth, going around spreading hate, disinformation, cultural and social rot.
That seems to be at the root of it, huh? The liberal idea that by not being like what the fascists say you are, you might get them to listen to you. Maybe a deep desire to avoid existential conflict, or rather to avoid acknowledging it for what it is: inescapable. She seems like she still believes on some level that...I don't know. That this can continue somehow, that fences can be mended this late in the game? That the scope of her focus hasn't been rendered qaint by how much worse and horrifying everything has gotten in the last few years?
I feel like if you have a solid understanding of how your philosophy relates to your politics, you shouldn't have to make stylistic concessions and conformations, like the case here.
Always claim authority if you're in a position to (and I would certainly expect someone who's been organizing since the 2000s to have that kind of position).
That’s not true at all. The “dirtbag left” was basically just a bunch of people fed up with civility politics of the Liberals, and CTH was very good at skewering freakoid reactionaries in ways that would make Liberals faint. That was the appeal, that people were willing to bite back against reactionaries with polemic and incisive language instead of the boring banality of the Dem Soc wet blankets
to the Hexbear flag
