Curious where the majority of this site falls. No need to struggle or anything, I just wana see what y'all think.
Yep, it was hanlon's razor. Each of the state apparatuses (CIA, FBI, MI6 etc) fucking hate each other and were dumbasses so they just didnt work together. This resulted in homeland security being built. But turns out they are also incompetent so now we just have another department built to abuse immigrants and silence dissenters.
It's become part of the new cultural zeitgeist. You can say "They knew the attacks were coming, but 'allowed' it to happen to hammer through the Patriot Act and invade Afghanistan/Iraq to secure resources" and be met with little pushback.
It's a different world from when I was saying the exact same thing in 2001.
I mean, pick your incentive:
- The Saudis had been absolutely salivating at the idea of US boots-on-the-ground for decades
- Over the years, multiple scholars expressed the view that the Iraq War was conducted to re-assert the dollar hegemony in the wake of Saddam Hussein's attempts to switch from petrodollar in the oil trade and to sell Iraqi oil in exchange for other currencies or commodities
- Who was the dude in the Bush administration that outright admitted that without the Iraq War, they wouldn't have had the support to pass most of their agenda (specifically the Bush Tax cuts)?
- The entire republican looting strategy revolves around profiting from disaster
I think that the 'safest' normie interpretation is that our long history of overthrowing democracies and funding terrorist groups (i.e. the CIA and the Mujahideen) came back to bite us in the ass.
The more complete explanation is that we never stopped meddling in the Middle East and even if the US wasn't involved directly, 9/11 was either orchestrated with the explicit blessing and financial backing of the Saudis, or that and things were simply 'allowed to happen' with the Saudi's implicit blessing and financial backing, much in the same way that the CIA would back a coup.
I think the US was already looking for literally any hint of retaliation against decades of interventionist policy that they could find to manufacture consent for perpetual war and they got it and then some.
I just avoid 9/11 entirely when talking to normies; there's plenty of other stuff to radicalize people with.
I've always found this to be plausible, maybe even likely. Pulling off an inside job is hard, looking the other way is easy.
All of the loose change stuff is bs from people who don't understand engineering but america certainly created the conditions that let 9/11 happen and they were in decades in the making.
I'm more of a calculated blowback person. I don't think they actually planned or did 9/11, but they absolutely created the conditions for it to happen. They may have known it was gonna happen in advance, I don't know where I land on that. But they absolutely seized on the opportunity and did the anthrax shit.
Personally I think...
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It's most likely that it was a mixture of incompetence and complacency on the Bush admin's part. It was absolutely done with more Saudi involvement that just 'black sheep' Osama Bin Laden though.
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It's definitely plausible that a small number of people associated with the US (intelligence personnel with ties to the oil & war economy or vice versa) had a hand in it or created the conditions for a possible such attack. This become less likely the more people you assume we're involved though.
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It's not out of the realm of possibility that people within the military industrial complex and Bush admin allowed something to happen and possibly got more than they bargained for.
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It seems extremely likely Flight 93 was shot down in the confusion or deliberately to prevent another strike and they covered it up to avoid the fallout and preserve the strength of the victim narrative going forward.
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I'm absolutely positive that the Anthrax attacks there after were a US intelligence operation (or executed on their behalf) to pass the Patriot Act and set the current sinister security agenda.
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I am absolutely 100% certain that Bush did it. However, all of my evidence points toward Jeb! doing it.
I'm not that old, but I remember when you could walk into the airport terminal with your friend and hug them just before they boarded the plane without needing a boarding pass of your own.
That question is so ridiculous that it's always tempting to reply with a joke, but I'm on enough lists already.
No because that's too many people to keep quiet. It assumes a level of power and control that would negate them even needing the theatrics of 9/11 to continue their "agenda."
What do I think really happened? I think those rat fucks in the CIA were playing fast and loose funding all sorts of shit and there were connections between Saudi intelligence and the hijackers and since the Saudis operate with the CIA it means the CIA certainly had some idea about what was possible.
As for the motives of the media I think they couldn't help themselves. They weren't in on some conspiracy for Bush, they were gawking and taking advantage of the situation to boost ratings. Everyone was glued to their TVs. The media absolutely began gaslighting the public by constantly bringing up the date. 9/11 was memorialized while the towers were still standing. Even today we rarely call it the "World Trade Center Attacks" but we all know "Nine Eleven" because it was drilled into our ears. They were manufacturing consent as they always do, but they weren't doing something special for the benefit of Dubya so the public wouldn't notice "these blurry jpegs of him rappelling down the side of Tower 7 two minutes before it collapsed" or whatever those nine hour youtube 9/11 Truther videos have going.
As for the aftermath? The fascistic imperialist USA used the attack to advance a bunch of sweeping reforms which they had been working on for the last decade. I think they took full advantage of the situation. I do not think they manufactured the conditions. They were happy about the media furor and public outrage and they used it to get away with spying on their own citizens and advancing the Forever War. They got a free lunch, nothing more than that.
Bush personally hijacked both planes and just hopped out at the last second.
Fred Durst was clearly a computer-generated celebrity manufactured by Andrew Niccol. Like Kubrick, he even made an elaborate confession to the fraud in the form of a major motion picture.
