Like salmon migrating, each generation feels the inexorable call to walk under an artillery shell from Izhevsk
i found another picture of the same guy, i wonder why they didnt use this one instead? 🤔
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He made fake SS-like uniform but doubled the skulls on it. Certified "Are we the baddies" double down moment.
Edit: Quadrupled actually, original SS had only one skull, on the hat. He had 4. And the ribbon on his sleeve seems to say "Totenkopf", which means "death's head" so it can count as fifth. I won't even mention that original Totenkopf troops formed from the concentration camps guards. He sure wasn't very subtle in his aspiration to lowest dregs of nazism.
So “tolerant communists” are now bashing the Buddhist minorities in Ukraine? You people are all virtue signaling hypocrites.
- Showbut replace MAGA with Ukraine and the republican with a liberal.
don't know why people need to paint Ukranians like these people represent them.This.
Nazis control Ukraine and they've spent a decade suppressing dissent. It's straight up not safe in Ukraine to question the Nazi narrative because they'll put out a death warrant for the dissenter and the cops will look the other way.
yeah so I'm gonna be that guy and point out how this is a bad take.
Thread with cope if you want to browse.
ITS JUST AN ANCIENT SLAVIC PAGAN RUNE BRO. ITS AN ANCIENT SLAVIC PAGAN RUUUUUUUUUUNE.
You'll have to scroll and open some replies to see the cope, as by now some normies have updooted the sane "fuck the nazis" type comments. But they're there. Lotsa them. Along with a lotta "fuck Russia" comments.
I don’t understand liberal logic. When the Soviets invaded Poland alongside the Nazis, it was done out of desperation because the west rejected the Soviets’ requests of alliance prior to the war. Sure, one can denounce the entire USSR because they worked with the Nazis.
But those same people who denounce it will move heaven and earth to excuse countries, armies, militias, volunteers, etc. who fought alongside Nazis, or are Nazis themselves - original or neo - out of ideological agreement.
Grinding your teeth and pragmatically working with people who want to commit genocide against you = forever evil, no nuance
Happily sieg heiling, committing and supporting perpetrators of massacres that even Nazis tug their collars to, and having so many Nazi symbols in your movement that your own supporters have to remove footage of and apologize for: based, psychological warfare, simply nationalism
Take an ideal, like "democracy" for example.
Bastardize it into pure simulacrum. (i.e., Ukraine getting couped and banning most political parties etc. is democracy)
for example: rules based international order means doing whatever America wants
Oh yeah they're rolling out all the classics, especially "Russia has more Nazis tho" and "Nazis don't justify invading"
Also this unfortunate soul saying, as "an ethnic Jew living in Kyiv, [Holodomor]"
Respond with Wagner can’t be Nazi because Prigozhin was Jewish, just like how Azov can’t be Nazi because Zelensky is Jewish
Wait really?
That thread is a cognitohazard though, I don't really have the patience or time right now to fight it out with the banderite-apologist posters and mods there so maybe someone with higher posting power can take it to them
Prigozhin
depends how you count it his dad was by some accounts ethnically Jewish but as I understand it some Jewish groups only count having a Jewish mother
Wait, was he really or are you just trolling?
That would be so hilarious if Prigo was Jewish.
They're all like, bbbut every country has Nazis (?), would that make it okay to invade the US? And so on.
Once again reminding people that symbol is in fact from the 1930s. It's not ancient and has only ever represented naziism
Holy shit these liberals are disgusting.
They only became Nazis because the evil communists made them do it
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They were choosing what looked like the lesser evil at the time.
The abstract fate of a few thousand Poles and Jews was not a significant factor compared to the number of Bolsheviks' victims they knew personally.
I wrote this as an ethnic Jew born in Kyiv.
It goes without saying that were this person around in the 1930's they'd've been a kapo then as well.
I know an ethnic jew born in Kiev. She survived the holocaust, and from her telling lived a pretty good life and raised a family in the USSR. As the Soviet Union was collapsing and antisemitism was increasing she moved with her family to Chicago. She traveled back to Russia several times, but never returned to Ukraine, which I think about a lot. Who wants to survive the holocaust and then still have to live alongside these nationalist shitheads, just waiting for it to happen again.
”They turned not due to their love of Hitler”
Bandera did, though.
ah the classic double genocide theory. Active holocaust denial
Another irony here is that the mass slaughter of horses and cattle by Banderites in the late 1920s and early 1930s was one of the major factors leading to the collapse of food production in the early 1930s and the famine across the southern USSR.
According to someone in the Reddit thread “Bon” is an insulting term for a neonazi. So a neonazi with the call sign “neonazi” get fucked loser
Even then the most some of these gigabrains are willing to admit is “ok he’s likely a nazi but why does that matter?”
watching in real-time as americans on reddit cozy up to nazis and normalize their symbols and beliefs
"ok so he's a nazi do you have any idea how hard it is to find hardcore nationalists who aren't nazis" - somehow not a criticism of nationalism
from the people that brought you "why does all this fascism keep getting in my right wing populist anti-communism"
Yea the line is now "I'm fine with nazos as long as they're killing the evil fascist russians"
Ya know, like mussolini.
I don't know how people don't get that the Russians aren't fascist the fascists are the ones wearing black suns talking about pagan blood pride
Cus the libs were told if they support plucky underdog ukraine that makes them the good guys like in the marvel movies.
Love to watch libs write a thesis on why yelling "die f-slur" isn't homophobic in Ukrainian culture anytime somebody asks for translations on combat footage.
You'd think it would click when they start talking about how anybody living in Russia is a valid military target because of what their government is doing after living through the genocide we did in the middle east but the liberal brain is uniquely immune to self reflection.
I dont think they want to acknowledge that liberal democracies like Russia and their own system can be so violent.
The top comment in the thread suggests it's short for 'Bonehead', which is apparently a derogatory way to refer to skinheads.
Skin heads were just punks. They tended to be poor working class and have some solidarity. Boneheads were the splinter group that was loud and rascist.
Not a clue or if it’s even true, just something I saw in a Reddit comment lmao
would make a pun about how the only "good" neonazi is a dead neonazi, but my latin isn't good enough so i would have to use french
I don't understand why they keep uploading pictures of neo-nazi soldiers with nazi insignia like there surely are enough non-nazi Ukrainian patriots that died in this war that could be uploaded and celebrated here aside from ultra-nationalists.
Remember when Reuters sent a reporter to interview the Spartan Storm (SS) brigade and the guy they ended up interviewing had the callsign "Adolf"?
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How bad were the other dudes if "Adolf" was the paletable choice?
I will never get over how stupid it is to treat these twisted barbarian pederasts as a supersoldiers.
His neck tattoo was a symbol of Ukrainian pride 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
The amount of neo nazi Ukrainians being posted in the past few days is starting to feel like a russian psyop.
This is from the
thread. There can't be a more perfect encapsulation of the last few years aroundI've said it before and I'll say it again, these guys are maybe 6 months away from claiming that nazis are fake and were invented by Russia to try and garner sympathy for them for ww2.
um sweetie the black sun is a sign of Ukrainian resistance to PUTLER
You joke but there are people in the thread saying it’s not a black sun but a slightly different symbol of Ukrainian nationalism.
Yeah, thats all true, but utimately he made his own decisions, and the world is now slightly better off without him in it.
utimately he made his own decisions
Who can say if he made the best decisions he could with the information and opportunity available to him? Not when the information was shit and the opportunities were slim to none. Ukrainian boys are being groomed for this. At some point you can't discount the propaganda machine that stamps hate into so many foreheads.
the world is now slightly better off without him in it
Only after a cartel of shit-heads twisted his soul and tossed away his body. The world won't be better until the engine of immiseration is silenced. No when the next generation of children is being lined up at the hopper.
there is definitely something in the fact that he was only a nazi because he was indoctrinated as a nazi from a young age likely in a program funded by the US
and as Stalin argued when he called for leniency for the Hitler youth someone raised in nazi ideas is less culpable than an adult that knew better
that being said it's not like he was executed and if a nazi is shooting at you who cares how he came to be a nazi
that being said it's not like he was executed
Being sent in to charge a fortified position is no different than being executed
well the russians didn't execute him he died trying to kill people
he also based on his nazi tattoos was probably in favour of the plan of fighting russia tooth and nail here
I mourn the innocent soul and indoctrinated child ensnared and corrupted by naziism along with you but also that innocent core was part of what became a very dangerous man and it became a tragic necessity for him to die
if he had been captured I would support him being reeducated rather than killed but there are limits to what you can do and it's more important to stop him than redeem him
well the russians didn't execute him he died trying to kill people
That's the nature of war. If he'd taken another 20-something Russian soldier with shit politics on his way out, I wouldn't be cheering for that either. What they're doing is nightmarish, but they're just tools of the bourgeois fucks playing tug of war over the region.
I mourn the innocent soul and indoctrinated child ensnared and corrupted by naziism along with you but also that innocent core was part of what became a very dangerous man
I mourn the man he became. He was wasted before he'd died. But play this game and you're going to end up doing the "Military Age Males" shit that Americans use as an excuse for genocide. Being some dipshit with a gang tattoo doesn't make you dangerous. Not even if some goons stuff your hands full of military surplus and shove you towards a battle field. What's dangerous is the fucks churning these people out.
if he had been captured I would support him being reeducated
By whom? The fucking Wagner Corps? The Russian rank-and-file? Its pure
These people are human sacrifices. Raised like chattel and disposed of just as quickly. That's horrible on its face. Telling me the veal you're eating had bad ideology doesn't make the factory farm that processed him something to celebrate.
Being some dipshit with a gang tattoo doesn't make you dangerous. Not even if some goons stuff your hands full of military surplus and shove you towards a battle field.
he had nazi tattoos and was in an army with recognised regiments of neo nazis. And having a gun in your hand does make you dangerous. If he was just a young man it would be one thing he is a young man in an army
yes it's very sad what happened to him but what happened to him made him actively dangerous to the ethnic russian civilians of the donbass and they also are innocents
he had nazi tattoos and was in an army with recognised regiments of neo nazis.
Where he was marched to the front, shoved into enemy fire, and eulogized as propaganda for the next in the line of human sacrifices.
The Russian lines haven't moved. These people aren't dangerous. They're disposable.
they are both dangerous and disposable. There are Russian dead in this war. There are Russian and Ukrainian dead who didn't even want to be there unlike this man who was by all indication a volunteer and nazi
everything you just said for him could also be said of the wehrmacht
There are Russian and Ukrainian dead who didn't even want to be there
The guy was 12 when the civil war started and 19 when the invasion happened. If he'd grown up away from the battle front, he wouldn't be so fucked in the head.
everything you just said for him could also be said of the wehrmacht
Even Stalin had pity for the Hitler Youth
Even Stalin had pity for the Hitler Youth
yes he did but there are degrees of innocence. A rabid dog is innocent but it's still dangerous
The guy was 12 when the civil war started and 19 when the invasion happened. If he'd grown up away from the battle front, he wouldn't be so fucked in the head
this is all true and materialist but also he did have some agency in this matter there are many people who were indoctrinated in hardcore racist backgrounds who broke away. He choose admitedly within a worse set of options than many people have ever been expected to face and maybe but for the grace of God there go I but he did choose this and I'm not that sorry that someone he was actively trying to kill killed him
A rabid dog is innocent but it's still dangerous
I'll still mourn for Old Yeller.
this is all true and materialist but also he did have some agency in this matter
The idea that Ukraine wouldn't have this war if everyone in the country just said "No more war!" is naive. That we're talking about this guy and not some kid who fled the warzone and survives in a refugee camp in East Russia or Poland or Moldova is a consequence of selection bias. If it wasn't him, it would have been some other kid who got suckered in by war propaganda, gang recruitment, and the illusion of security that a military provides. This kid (or someone like him) had his ticket punched as soon as the Bush State Department / CIA decided to flood Ukrainian Orange Revolutionaries with guns and funds, way back in 2004, when he was still in diapers.
To say he had agency? When? At 12, when the Ukrainian civil war turned hot? At 19, when Russian troops marched across the border and forced his family to flee? Did he have family to turn to? Was he educated or indoctrinated? Did he have friends who weren't all black-pilled on this shit already? Was he a volunteer or was he simply conscripted by Zelensky's goon squads? Was he choosing to join an ideological project or was he just eager to get his hands on three hots and a cot, in a country wracked by war-induced famine and homelessness?
What was he choosing between? What information did he actually have at any given moment?
I'm not that sorry that someone he was actively trying to kill killed him
If this was a story about a 22-year old Russian kid with a giant Wagner death's head tattooed on his skull who caught a bullet defending the Donetsk front from some Ukrainian guerrillas, I'd cry for him too.
Half the reason Ukraine and Russia are in this mess is their inability to see each other as people suffering the same material deprivations. Guys like this buy into the notion that they can kill their way to prosperity, just like you're sitting here with the belief that if enough of these kids die on the front lines, the ideology of these countries will somehow improve.
But blood can't wash anything clean. This guy will stain the black earth along with tens of thousands of others. And every death will make reconciliation between Russians and Ukrainians that much harder when the war is over.
Why are you crying so hard over dead Nazis?
Yes, dogshit people are indoctrinated. Indoctrinated people are the ones calling the shots & the ones dying in the trenches. It's a system. But you don't need to mourn this stupid fuck who wants nothing more than to reinforce that system. Violent systems have violent outcomes, be glad it was this guy and not someone who wouldn't get a fuckin swastika tattoo.
Why are you crying so hard over dead Nazis?
Because there but for the grace of God go we all.
Every kid who grows up to be a Nazi is a life squandered. It is a heart wrenching tragedy to imagine the trajectory of this person's life.
Indoctrinated people are the ones calling the shots
If fucking only. But guys like Putin and Blinken are as clear eyed as you get. Neither of them, nor their families, are getting anywhere near an active war zone.
what are you currently try to do or demonstrate ... he was the Nazi scum that brought that war on all those innocents that you heart should go out to .. it is al fine for somebody to get his wish granted ..
Who can say if he made the best decisions he could with the information and opportunity available to him?
Based on results obviously he didn't lol. And plenty of others grew up in the same environment and didn't do this.
And where do you draw the line anyway? Elon musk was born into his position and reinforced with all the prevailing attitudes in society, is it also not his fault for being a fascist shithead? Everyone is just helplessly following their predetermined path? Seems undialectical. Maybe it's my predetermined path to have a sensible chuckle when nazis get got.
If you have some bottomless christ-like empathy for your enemies, then good for you I guess. I think it sounds exhausting and pointless. I still have far more empathy for them than they have for me, that's the best I can manage personally.
And plenty of others grew up in the same environment and didn't do this.
Plenty of others got explosive ordinance dropped on their heads or shrapnel wounds that crippled them for life.
This guy got targeted for recruitment by a military gang, and took the bait, because even bait looks good when you're starved.
You think he was having debates on the quad with his friends over the merits of ideology? You think he was holding up a copy of State and Revolution in one hand and Mein Kampf in the other, with ample opportunity to pick a side?
If you have some bottomless christ-like empathy for your enemies, then good for you I guess.
I don't see this kid as an enemy. I see him as a victim. No different than a black kid shoved into state prison for years. Or a hick from the sticks who enlisted to the American armed forces.
I was 19 during 9/11, and I absolutely had the "should I join the military?" moment. I had a conga line of people to talk me out of it. He didn't.
I don't see this kid as an enemy. I see him as a victim. No different than a black kid shoved into state prison for years. Or a hick from the sticks who enlisted to the American armed forces.
Unlike the dead nazi these hypothetical people wouldn't be ethicly cleansing eastern Ukraine if they weren't getting killed by the Russian army. But also fuck the troops including the hypothetical hick
these hypothetical people wouldn't be ethicly cleansing eastern Ukraine if they weren't getting killed by the Russian army
It isn't as though the Russians are above a little ethnic cleansing. Just ask the Chechens. We're back into
. Am I supposed to cheer for a former Donetsk resident who was born into a burgeoning civil war aflame with right-wing propaganda at every angle because he got popped by a Russian soldier with equally awful politics doing ethnic nationalism on his side of the newly carved border? Or should I take the Reddit route and clap like a seal any time "Based Ukrainian Liberators Saw Off Man's Dick While Calling His Girlfriend On His Own Cell Phone" trends on some war-porn sub, because said dickless Russian can be tied back to some anti-LGBT post?Its all fucking awful. And there are going to be an ample number of survivors of this war who regret every moment of it. Many of them are going to have some pretty cringe tattoos they picked up in the trenches. Why should we be happy when toxic racist ideology foments war and said war kills the folks that adopted said ideology?
Sucks to suck, but judging by the prominent tattoo he
iswas a dedicated Nazi so the most I'll say is
