What a lib.... if she was a true comrade she would have been upstaging the libs at the inauguration like the Chair Man.

  • Poop [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    turning a big dial taht says “AOC” on it from good to bad and constantly looking back at the leftists for approval like a contestant on the price is right

    • heqt1c [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      This reply is the singular reason I still post AOC content on the ChaCha... thank you Poop :fidel-salute-big:

    • NotARobot [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      When AOC does something good, AOC good. When AOC does something bad, AOC bad.

    • M68000 [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      It just kinda ping pongs back and forth like a old mechanical VU meter

      • captchaintherye [any]
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        4 years ago

        I believe that she is good and uncorrupted, but she does stupid things politically because she thinks she has to, to "get things done in Washington" or whatever. Like Bernie.

        • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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          4 years ago

          The standard she's set for herself is impossibly high. She's simply doomed to disappoint people.

          • captchaintherye [any]
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            4 years ago

            Is it really? She just campaigned on challenging Dem power structure from the left.

            I don't think anyone expects a US Congresswoman to seize the means of production tomorrow. They just want her to articulate some of their frustration and anger with the Dem party. And she's not doing that. She's doing the same thing Ted Lieu and Adam Schiff do: 80 tweets a day about how shitty Republicans are, and then vague platitudes about how we need healthcare. Then votes for Pelosi and does photo shoots with her. It's very little they're asking of her and she is not even doing that.

            There are like 300 Dems in Congress who can rant about Republicans all day while doing nothing to help left causes (even in the very very tiny way that you can do that through Congress). She ran on something different than that which is why she became popular, but she isn't fulfilling that promise.

            • Snow_Unity [none/use name]
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              4 years ago

              Exactly, not to mention yesterday was the FIRST TIME SINCE 2018 that she even mentioned DSA on twitter. Nothing during the membership drive.

        • M68000 [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Yeah, I'm willing to cut her slack I wouldn't for many other people. At the end of the day I've got more in common with her than many others...and, well, she's still pretty significantly outnumbered.

    • MonarchLabsOne [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      The admins should add that to the side bar. One for Bernie, One for AOC, etc.

    • LucyTheBrazen [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      I mean we can judge her on an issue to issue basis, like every other fucking poltician

        • spectre [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Yeah and I've formed a paranemisis relationship with her, so I'm also too emotional.

      • kronkfresh [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        I mean yes thats what you should do especially when dealing with libs. Thats never how this struggle is presented though

  • RedArmor [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Honey! Time for your daily AOC struggle session! :yes-honey-left:

  • DecolonizeCatan [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    AOC is what she is: a Democrat whose politics are fundamentally opposed to the class that controls and operates the Democrats. I'm not a dialectics understander, but I feel like AOC is the embodiment of some sort of fundamental contradiction the US left faces, where the urgent need for class politics is only given a national platform by the party most capable of neutralizing class politics and rendering it ineffective.

  • PhaseFour [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    What a lib…

    It's weird that any positive act by AOC is used to combat from real criticisms.

    I'd be (rightfully!) mocked if I brought up Amy Kloubuchar's time on the UAW picket-line to combat criticisms toward her.

  • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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    4 years ago

    AOC is a socdem entirely concerned with the US, thats the real take about her, she soft supports US imperialism in most cases and clearly is not against its hegemony.

    If you are an actual socialist you should be internationalist and oppose people like her who sell out the world to offer concessions to the imperial working class.

    • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      The only honest reading of AOC's foreign policy is that she has none worth talking about. It's effectively not part of her job description. The president runs the business end of foreign policy almost unilaterally on everything short of an Iraq-scale invasion. AOC has had one term in the House and wasn't even on any foreign policy committees. Votes on this or that foreign policy issue are almost always tied to some domestic program specifically to brow beat anyone who would vote against it.

      Any opinion on AOC's foreign policy is just reading tea leaves. It's trying to guess intentions not even based on substantive actions, but on peripheral stuff like a one-off question in an interview. There is zero excuse to interpret that stuff in the worst possible light, and calling for socialists to oppose AOC based on something she has no real influence over is just wrecking. Kindly fuck off with that.

      • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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        4 years ago

        AOC openly stating she doesnt want even democratic socialism but to imitate imperialist social democracy is me reading tea leaves? Learn to listen when politicians tell you who they are.

        • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          openly stating

          imperialist social democracy

          Really? Show me where she openly said "imperialist social democracy is good." Show me where she openly said anything positive about "imperialism." Or is she not "openly" stating these things, and you're uncharitably reading "imperialism" into comments like "you think Norway has their shit together, well, Norway has universal healthcare"?

          The simple explanation here is that (1) she's trying to build support for Medicare for All, and (2) she's associating M4A with countries Americans like to counter narratives like "Obamacare will use death panels to execute grandma." There is no reason to dismiss that straightforward rationale in favor of "AOC is a crypto-imperialist." Again, that's wrecking.

    • crispyhexagon [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      "dear leftists, plz stab the socdems in the back so that we dont have to do it again. love fascists"

      if you are an actual socialist you should recognize when people are worth critical support vs active opposition

      • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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        4 years ago

        You cant stab someone opposing you in the back, AOC has stated she wants her socialism to be nordic imperialist supporting socdem on so many occasions and backed that up with opposition to demsoc and socialist projects all over the world, but fine if you wanna ritically support Social Democracy in One Country.

        • crispyhexagon [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          "how dare you allow the socdem to participate in our ideologically pure union strike! she is cancelled and can never do anything correct or good!"

          shut the fuck up :LIB:

          learn to support people when they are doing better, rather than constantly ragging on them for not being perfect even when theyre actively doing the right thing.

          • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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            4 years ago

            You are literally the liberals saying that nothing in the past matters because in the moment someone is doing better, like woohoo W Bush is a hecking resistance agent now you gotta support him because he is doing better.

            • crispyhexagon [none/use name]
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              4 years ago

              ah yes, well known warcriminal who has held the office of president and with it the power to make substantive sweeping changes to international policy of the united states checks notes freshman house rep aoc

              fuck off

              • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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                4 years ago

                lol is he or is he not doing better? sounds like you got some learning to do friendo C:

                • crispyhexagon [none/use name]
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                  4 years ago

                  you are such a massive fucking :LIB: it is beyond all comprehension

                  if george bush were out there supporting strikes, youre god damn right you should critically support that.

                  but he isnt. the libs were cheering over him because he wasnt a cheeto, not on the basis of him actually doing anything good.

                  sounds like youre larping as a socialist so you can be a wrecker, friendo

        • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          opposition to demsoc and socialist projects all over the world

          Let me guess: a photo op? A one-line answer in an interview? You're right, she basically flew down to Bolivia and personally dragged Morales out of power.

          This is weak shit and you should be embarrassed for falling for it. We're not getting anything done if we crucify anyone even kind of good over meaningless retail politics bullshit.

          • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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            4 years ago

            What the fuck am I falling for? Her showing her cards and you people coping yourself into saying its actually her hiding them from the imperialists?

    • ShoutyMcSocialism [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      offer concessions to the imperial working class.

      We're never going to take any substantial power in this country ever, are we? Next time you go into work, go over to your co worker and call them a member of the imperial working class. Record the reaction for me please.

  • ColonelKernel [comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    I'm picturing the collective aneurysm this community would have if V8ush did a charity drive livestream on the picket line.

    • spectre [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      If he did that, we probably wouldn't have aneurysms about him so often.

  • sailor_redstar [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    Join a party/collective/org and be the one supporting and organizing union strikes and such.