This was effective in stopping me from drinking til age 20. Too drunk to google it right now, can someone enlighten me about this phrase?
In that vein, I propose another slogan: "Capitalism kills brain cells."
My dad's uncle was a binge drinker and chain smoker for literally all his life and he somehow died at 95. He did die because of his smoking though. Dude developed respiratory issues and he had to wear an oxygen mask the last year of his life, and he took it off to smoke.
No amount of alcohol is safe in the same way that no amount of red meat or processed sugar is safe. It’ll kill you eventually
This is a really weird thing to say. You could literally say this for anything.
Some amount of kale is good for you.
Kale if I'm not mistaken contains some nitrates which is a carcinogen. Also if you eat way too much and then you also eat some kale, that's clearly not good. What I'm saying is, it isn't so one dimensional.
The thing itself is harmful, not just excess amounts of it.
It's not at all conclusive.
That’s the most up to date data we have on the subject. Unless you have anything better, observable reality seems to flow my way.
I posted earlier two studies, one of which was inconclusive but didn't appear to show any difference and the other showed a mild improvement in cognitive function and some health aspects with light use. Someone else posted a big study cited by an article with a title along the lines of "no safe quantity of alcohol", and the research didn't appear to show anything like that. There was a cohort of 100,000 people who drank no alcohol and another similar one of light drinkers, the first one had 914 people who suffered disease or injury typically associated with alcohol, the second had 918. That is a very tiny difference even though it was looking specifically at stuff that is generally associated with alcohol consumption, and even if it is not just a random fluctuation, it's general enough that it may just be because some of the second group drank a lot once or something like that.
I mean OK, suit yourself but I didn't really care about having am actual discussion with an aggressive weirdo who was calling me a drunk ass for not accepting that even tiny amounts of alcohol are the worst thing you can possibly do for your body.
No, you can only say it about things that are bad for you. It doesn't apply to things that aren't bad for you, like water, or vegetables, or exercise.
Lmao you can literally say it about all these things. Especially exercise. There are negative effects to the consumption of everything. Yes, that includes water. Even though you will literally die if you don't drink water but that is beside the point. Basically the only thing that doesn't have a negative effect on your body is if your body is constantly in some kind of cryonic sleep, frozen in time.
No, you can't. "There's no safe amount of exercise" makes zero sense whatsoever, it's factually wrong, what the fuck are you on about?
There is no safe level of exercise. I know someone who slipped and twisted their ankle while lightly exercising. So it is unsafe.
Exercise is not inherently bad for you body though. You can have an accident doing anything, even eating can make you choke. No amount of alcohol is safe. It's a carcinogen, it raises blood pressure, and it irritates your digestive system.
it raises blood pressure
That's not always bad. My blood pressure is a little bit too low sometimes and I have to eat something salty etc to make it go up. And there is some evidence that light alcohol use decreases risk of strokes.
It's not really good for you either but how bad something is depends on many factors and I don't think there is a good reason to call it unsafe. When I think unsafe I think "this carries a heavy risk of giving you nasty health issues". And binge drinking is unsafe for sure. Likewise I don't think sugar is unsafe, neither is red meat unsafe "in any quantity". They simply increase risks of certain diseases, significantly after a certain point. Ripe fruit also contains some alcohol (more than people often realize), but I don't think anyone would claim they are unsafe for that reason in any quantity. I feel it kind of dilutes the meaning of "safe".
No, I actually do know people who twisted their ankle while lightly exercising, and it would be weird if you didn't know anyone who got injured while exercising. Doing fuck all carries some kind of minute risk.
Wet Brain is a thing but honestly I'd be more concerned about the liver.
And to write while shitfaced. Actually I was thinking of this bar near my elementary school and church (sigh) and the windows are blacked out and it is the most adult place in the world because even though I could go there now for 14 years I couldn't go and it just seems like I'm not 21 when I think about that place. It's the most adult place in the world
Now I want to go to your adult place for some reason.
By the way, did you just become 21? I've been 21 for a few days now too and I don't recommend it but I hope it goes better for you.
Oh no I was 21 for an entire year I'm just hanging out with my family and thinking about drinking while I'm drink. We are the universe drinking itself. Also why does white go first in chess and checkers? Is that racism?
Also why does white go first in chess and checkers? Is that racism?
Yes.
BTW you do sound like you are "drink" lol
It's alright, I've drunk a little bit too. Fucking birthdays. Or delayed birthdays anyhow.
why does white go first in chess and checkers
ehhh chess used to have 'who moved first' determined by lots or the results of the previous games since the board itself wasn't even checkered for quite some time iirc. tbh even when I play with my roommates or on any actual board with someone - I usually just use a coin-toss. Black used to go first in a bunch of historical games - like the Immortal game
Right now the think that blows about weed is that I'm on a diet. And its fuckin hard to be high on a diet.
I just stop smoking weed and wind up vaping my 6% nicotine ejuice way more & sleeping way less which results in me wanting to die even more
We're doing straight-edge socialism. Come to my anarcho-stalinist commune. No alcohol, no hierarchy.
Before it is filtered out by the liver, alcohol in the bloodstream can go through the brain and in high enough concentrations, can kill neurons. If it doesn't kill them it impacts how they function in the short term (being drunk) as well as risking possible long term complications. Parts of the brain shut down when they are subjected to too much alcohol, which commonly leads to blackouts but can also lead to alcohol poisoning that can shut down essential functions like breathing.
This isn't stopping me though. Cheers
You gotta be careful about studies showing that wine or chocolate or such in moderation improves health. It could be true, but it could also be true that someone who has the self control to have a moderate amount of an indulgence is more likely to moderate other unhealthy habits in their life
Oh that study was debunked. Any amount of alcohol is bad for you. :sweat:
It's also that many people who are already too sick to tolerate any alcohol are often included in those studies. That is, if you are medically barred from drinking because you are already ill from something else you get added to the "0 drinks" category.
According to this study, there is no safe amount of alcohol :shrug-outta-hecks:
https://www.insider.com/there-is-no-safe-amount-of-alcohol-2018-8 https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(18)31310-2/fulltext
Alcohol is more damaging to health than most illegal drugs, and I'd argue it's worse than tobacco when you adjust for typical consumption (pack a day smokers should be compared to people who drink 6-8+ drinks a night imo). The main reason we tolerate it is that it has such a long cultural history in the West.
I fucking hate these moronic articles.
Out of 100,000 teetotalers, 914 would develop a disease or injury associated with alcohol consumption, like cancer. In comparison, four more people (918) would be ill or hurt if they had one alcoholic drink a day.
Oh really? Out of a total of 100,000, 914 in one group developed something bad and 918 from the other? A difference of 4? Wow that clearly means it's never safe and you will absolutely die. Like wtf does "no safe amount of x" mean, seriously? There is so many click bait articles like that and they're just embarrassing. "No safe amount of rhubarb exists. A study examined people who ate rhubarb once and people who didn't. The people who didn't lived on average 2.1 minutes longer. Therefore if you eat rhubarb once you will die". Just clown shit, at this point I'm pretty sure these articles take more years out of people's lives than whatever "unsafe in any quantity" thing they talk about.
Look at what it says. 4 more people. Compared to 914. In a sample of 100,000 in each case. This could literally be completely accidental, and even if it isn't it's just silly.
That's literally not a statistically significant difference lol
Alcohol is just actually really bad for you. I drink it but moderation is good.
I drank so much last week that I would be brain dead now if that was the case. I might be though, idk.
BTW no it doesn't do that typically but it might give you some kind of brain damage if you drink way too much or if you are alcoholic and do it regularly. Alcoholism is very dangerous in general.
Also it always seemed weird to me how late Americans start drinking. I remember my dad let me take sips from his drink ever since I was a little kid, and I started drinking large quantities at about 15. 15 is about the time most people I know really started drinking, I remember we'd take a big shopping cart and put a bunch of booze in it and go to a small park, get shit faced and freestyle rap a couple times a year. It was fun but I wouldn't recommend it tbh. While I do drink lots every now and then, I try not to do it frequently at all because I've got bad experiences with alcoholics... My rule is never drink alone.
Yeah and honestly I'm glad I never ever feel like crave it. But even if I do feel like breaking the rule, all I have to do is remember my dad being a miserable red faced boomer drinking tsipouro before he even has lunch. And he is not even "alcoholic" in the sense that most people think. It's not nice and I don't wanna be that so even though I don't really feel like breaking my rule anyways, I have it there just in case.
Even moderate drinking absolutely has a negative effect on cognition, as well as a negative effect on pretty much every other aspect of your health. "Kills brain cells" probably isn't medically accurate language but the idea is generally correct.
There is no evidence for that.
The pooled dose-response relationship showed a maximum standardised mean difference (SMD) indicating slightly better cognition among women with moderate alcohol consumption compared to current non-drinkers (SMD 0.18, 95%CI 0.02 to 0.34, at 14.4 grams/day; 5 studies, very low certainty evidence), and a trivial difference for men (SMD 0.05, 95% CI 0.00 to 0.10, at 19.4 grams/day; 6 studies, very low certainty evidence).
Actually there is some slight evidence to the contrary.
In this cohort study of 19 887 participants from the Health and Retirement Study, with a mean follow-up of 9.1 years, when compared with never drinking, low to moderate drinking was associated with significantly better trajectories of higher cognition scores for mental status, word recall, and vocabulary and with lower rates of decline in each of these cognition domains.
One study being totally inconclusive is not the same as "there's no evidence." Here's evidence from the first page of Google results lol.
https://www.bmj.com/content/357/bmj.j2353
Conclusions: Alcohol consumption, even at moderate levels, is associated with adverse brain outcomes including hippocampal atrophy. These results support the recent reduction in alcohol guidance in the UK and question the current limits recommended in the US.
There are so many very obvious issues with the routinely published studies that show "light drinking actually is good for your______" and get immediately printed across all the media outlets and a segment on local news.
The one you cited for example seems to suggest that light drinking protects cognitive abilities from the effects of aging, but only in white people? Does that make any sense or is it likely that there's a confounding variable (like white people who drink one glass of wine each night are better off financially and spent their whole lives in comfort).
One of the major issues is that a lot of such studies compare "current non drinkers" to current light drinkers, neglecting to account for the fact that many current non drinkers are either former alcoholics who already did damage to their bodies or don't drink because of other health conditions.
One study being totally inconclusive is not the same as “there’s no evidence
It clearly means there are conflicting studies. Like I can find tons of studies saying the exact opposite of what that one you posted showed. The one I already posted after that one for instance. Even the definition of moderate quantities in that research is kind of weird. Like if you drink 14-21 drinks per week, that's kind of a lot in my book.
Alcohol is straight up one of the least healthy things you can put in your body and it's weird that people are determined to think that "just a little bit of this highly toxic and addictive drug is actually good for you!" But I guess not that weird when you consider that it's a multi billion dollar industry which largely depends on people not taking the health effects seriously. It's also a carcinogen that increases your risk of all types of cancer in even moderate amounts, yet many people seem to not realize that either.
Yeah so weird that people don't lose their shit over weird clickbait articles explaining to you how you will literally die if you do x on one day and then shout about how you will literally die if you don't do x the next day for completely innocuous and normal things.
Alcohol isnt innocuous, the health effects are well studied. This is almost as ridiculous as trying to argue that smoking a little bit is good for you, which to be fair is something people did try to argue until fairly recently, because there's a lot of money to be made by deceiving people about that as well.
As far as I understand, It doesn't literally kill brain cells but it can lead to brain damage and it can interfere with the formation of new brain cells. Extreme Alcoholism often also leads to Wernicke–Korsakoff syndrome, which is a syndrome (or two syndromes that tend to come as one) that can lead to major learning and memory problems, sometimes it can also have other brief but dangerous effects such as paralysis of the nerves that move your eyes.
People can have a little drink as a treat.
I have seen severe alcoholics drown in their own blood though. So you know, a sometimes thing.
it's not something I've thought about but i suppose it is weird we drink the stuff that kills 99% of germs lol
