The link at the start is this post.
Since this is long, I will summarise the key points:
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The mod team argues that being gay or trans is not biologically based, they argue it is caused by environmental factors caused by capitalism and bourgeoise ideology.
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The mod team argues being LGBT is a choice.
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The mod team argues that LGBT people should be thrown under a bus because they're just 6% of the population who get in the way of popular support with the remaining 94% of the population.
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The mod team argues LGBT identities only gain support in socialist countries when socialism in those countries is declining and collapsing due to bourgeoise ideology.
These seem to be the key things this modteam believes about LGBT people. I haven't misrepresented or exaggerated any of this. I do not have to.
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Wall of text homophobic modteam on :reddit-logo:
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Me having sex with both of their parents
I'm sorry @VolcelPolice, I just had to do it to them
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I am simultaneously a commie plot to destroy America and a bougie decadent
I found the europeansocialists sub the other day and, being both European and a socialist, I was intrigued. I was immediately weirded out though because it seemed to be extremely focused on petty feuds with other socialist groups, and also just a lot of unprompted bringing up how others were apparently accusing them of homophobia and antisemitism? Real "lot of questions already answered by the shirt" energy.
theyre weird hyper sectarian, reactionary, homophobes. go to r/socialisteurope instead
Their argument isn't "we want to murder them all" (although I do not trust that does not lie underneath) but that they believe environmental changes in society would cease to produce LGBT people altogether thus reducing them to 0% in the longterm.
do they say how they would be reduced? Do they not know that animals can also be gay? Are they gonna breed out the gay? This is advanced brainworms!
in the jungle is where we indiscriminately had sex with anything that moved, including not only people of the same sex but also children, relatives, and non-humans
Literal "what's next after gay marriage? Fucking your dog or children?"
Yes this is largely why I suspect it to just be outright reactionary homophobia hedged inside marxist language and arguments. Also why I don't really trust that they would not harm lgbt people.
I assume they mean it would simply disappear over several generations in the correct environmental conditions but have not asked the question.
No it's even dumber. They think homosexuality can't be biological because if it was it would immediately die out because gay people don't reproduce.
wow that's crazy, they do not know how genes work.
also gay people can and do reproduce. They have children before they come out of the closet, they have surrogate mothers, they use donor semen, they can also be bisexual.
Yeah, I went over there a few minutes ago, because I hate myself and someone posted an article about Lysenko and they're saying the gene is a "metaphysical concept."
Real 'heard about Mendeleev in HS and absolutely nothing else after that' hours. Genetics is like the definition of a dialectical process.
I forget where I read about it but there was some article that stated that evolutionary processes could also explain that people who don't necessarily reproduce themselves could also have an evolutionary advantage to a species by being a sort of beneficial support system. If you have more adults that don't necessarily reproduce themselves, that they also contribute to the health of the species as a whole in supportive roles. Just because someone doesn't bare children doesn't mean they can't help the survival of the children of other members of their family/tribe/etc.
Yeah it's called the gay uncle hypothesis. Which is a great name for a hypothesis btw
Ah yes the famously non-biological 'choice' of human behavior, you know that thing that completely isn't an emergent property of a highly complex biological phenomenon. Yep no biology there, just pure disembodied thinking energy making choices.
I'll take "Shit I believed when I used to listen to loveline with Adam Carolla when I was like 14" Alex
I saw an argument on their sub that basically went like "If 80% of the worlds proletariat are against you can you really call them reactionary or are you the reactionary one?" and its just such pure golden dogshit I cant believe someone would say it.
This is some real Pol Pot anti-glasses shit, how many workers were literate in Russia? Thats right, literacy is reactionary bourgeoiseism.
Edit: I didnt even grasp how truly fucking disgustingly bigoted this shit is, literally this implies that LGBTQ people who get persecuted and killed are reactionary elements in their countries, europeansocialists should get the wall literally tomorrow.
Woah woah woah lets not conflate being gay, which is cool, and being literate which is stupid nerd shit
Wasn't there recently some poll that showed 70% americans are pro gay marriage? Did they time travelled from 80's.
They cited the middle east and global south as an excuse, which tbh is extremely racist with the whole bullshit of acting like the global south is this unchangingly bigoted people, but somehow wokely this time.
It's literally colonialist mindset. "These backwards people are too primitive to gain a better understanding of LGBT+ rights and adapt their viewpoints."
Probably the funniest thing is the meta where everyone on the left dismiss them as a complete joke to the point their mod team has been purged from the socialism, communism, anarchism, genzdong, informedtankie, sendinthetanks, etc. Subs. And then they cry about being banned by everyone while whining they're the ones that're doing real work.
There are multiple quality posts THAT ARE BEING BURRIED by this bullshit.
Normally I dont like making fun of peoples English but its extremely funny when awful people who take themselves way too seriously make a mistake and undermine their entire image.
their mod team has been purged from the socialism, communism, anarchism, genzdong, informedtankie, sendinthetanks, etc
Finally, left unity :left-unity-2:
I find it actually takes longer to be succinct because you have to write the long version and then condense it multiple times.
Most of the time when I make a comment that people seem to like, it starts out five paragraphs long, and gets edited down to a few sentences.
This is actually not that unusual for old European ML tendencies, the communist party in Sweden which formerly had soviet connections infamously had one of their party leaders state in like the 70s-80s "Real workers dont fuck each other in the ass" and recently had a split in one of our major cities cause half the section didnt think they were being bigoted enough towards "LGBTQ Ideology" and immigrants.
excuse me? real workers do fuck each other in the ass and any other way they please and they do it lovingly.
On the other hand the DDR had state owned gay bars. I think its mostly the deeply religious illeterate peasant background of much of the eastern block pre socialism that wasnt managed to be overcome and shaped cultural approach from the party ,tickling down to the ones that it influenced. Similarly to how machismo culture had to be overcome in Cuba socialy for women and lgbt liberation, which they did manage to root out and overcome eventualy
Similarly to how machismo culture had to be overcome in Cuba socialy for women and lgbt liberation, which they did manage to root out and overcome eventualy
Fidel fuckin Castro literally came out and denounced the shit he did when he was younger as social conservative chauvinism and a stain upon the Cuban revolution.
If Comrade Fidel, the literal peak of Latino machismoism, can understand the wrongness of his stance through self-crit and reflection and come out publically denouncing himself to the world and publically support the LGBT+ cause in the same breath, then these fucking red chuds can and should eat my tank tread.
Yeah ive been really struck by the shit they just outright say:
we do believe that LGBT+ will dissapear under socialism
we are strictly opposed to the LGBT+ movement and its ideology
Ive been banned too for arguing against this. They also control r/asiansocialists and r/americassocialists :/
These subs should be added to the list of brigades we should do.
looking through asiansocialists it seems they might not control that one actually, tho im not 100% sure cause they do list it
This is sooooo much hatred and name-calling for lgbt issues among socialists. They always call lgbt stuff, sex work etc. bourgeois decadence or philosophy or what not.
homosexuality: predates capitalism by their own admission
also homosexuality: apparently spontaneously burst into being as fully forged rainbow capitalism (which is definitely not capitalism just recuperating lgbt identities)
