Biden's the harm reduction candidate! We can move him left!
Biden: criminalizes opposing capitalism
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I'm still bitterly, spitefully pleased with myself for not voting for this fucking turd Biden. Fuck Joe Biden, fuck the democrats, and fuck capitalism, as all are harmful to society.
Right there with you. My dipshit Lib friends hate that I don't have to pretend he's sort of better than Trump when it's painfully clear he's equally as bad.
being violent in regards to your opposition, yes. Like if you got in ICE's way or recorded an ICE officer or hid from an ICE officer or recorded a police officer, etc.
First they came for the anarchists, and I did nothing because I was a leftcom and refused to get out of my sick ass chair :bordiga-despair:
The awesome part is that chuds will still say Biden is antifa while they're being dragged off along with the communists by the neoliberal secret police :agony-yehaw:
At least the black sites will be diverse. Can't wait to listen to somebody screaming about how Q predicted all this while wondering when my next enhanced interrogation session is
It will not be all that diverse. It will be one guy who was in the final stage of planning the bombing of a mosque next to a kindergarten sitting there with fifty guys who posted guillotine memes at Jeff Bezos.
For like three days then they will let the mosque bomber go.
And then he will go on to have a lucrative career talking about how the evil socialist communist US government persecuted him for freeze peach.
I see a silver lining: this means they're starting to see anticapitalists as a real threat again now that it's becoming more popular
At least a threat to profit making, which even by itself would be a good start
I see it more as they're profit making off of a threat. Well then again, with the capitalist police state those are basically the same damn thing. fuckin love this country
I think the label of anarchist is more useful to them since they also want to label those capital riot chuds as domestic terrorists. Throw them all into the same pot.
Anarchists must support at least one form of capitalism to exist legally in the US.
I support state capitalism when appropriate for a locale's material conditions. Mr. FBI will breathe a sigh of relief when I tell them that from an undisclosed location in an unmarked white van.
Conspicuously absent: violently supporting all forms of capitalism
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Do you think sectarianism will be a good defense?
“I can’t be an anarchist violent extremist, I’m a Marxist-Leninist”
Saying “I ain’t no fucking anarkiddie!” To the fed and then mouthing “I’m sorry!!” To my anarchist friends in the corner
Using this defense in court and accidentally radicalizing the jury by explaining Marxism and Anarchism to them would be pretty funny ngl.
This is why it's very important to develop an extremely niche set of socialist labels for ourselves. Personally, I'm a posadist-Maoist-Hoxhaist.
I just remembered that the federal eviction moratorium expires on the 30th. Totally a coincidence that anyone who opposes capitalism can be classified as a terrorist now
They are different, definitely not as insane, but it's a similar dynamic and plenty are ripe for radicalizing
I have a solution for you anarchists but you're not gonna like it.
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As I explained in the other comment, this is not about anarchists. It doesn't mean what it says, it doesn't matter if you say you're communist or whatever, you're still an anarchist to them. Anarchist is just a catch all term they decided to use for anti capitalist agitation which sounds scary but less red-scary. They don't give a shit what you call yourself, you're anticapitalist and you're protesting ergo you're an anarchist.
what, heighten the contradictions until petty sectarianism seems blatantly absurd in the face of complete annihilation?
Ahh. No. But all the anarchists should just be communists now. Problem solved.
...Sort of. They'll just add communists to DVEs too if it happens though.
It was supposed to be a sectarian joke.
I'm not sure that I'm "letting comrades get killed" though. What power or ability do I have to prevent the state doing anything to anarchists?
Sectarian jokes can be quite funny when they don't hold a value judgement about any particular tendency within them. The problem in most sectarian behaviour lies in one side telling another side that they are wrong or bad. I hold zero hostility to anarchists or their tendency and everything I say about every other tendency is always playful and strictly neutral in terms of value judgement of their tendency. The only enemy is capitalism, every leftist tendency is my friend or more.
Besides. I am the only leftist on this site.
but directly advocating others not to do anything is pretty cringe
Can you uhh.. Quote the exactly line I said that made you think I was saying this? I'm flummoxed.
They only specify anarchists because saying that communists are a threat sounds too ridiculous post-red scare.
I'm not convinced there are all that many, tbh. The lion's share of anticapitalists in the US are radlibs.
Also something like a third of millennials self-identify as supporting communism (almost certainly higher with zoomers), so 🤷
I think "anarchists" is being used as a more scary-sounding word for anti-capitalists in general.
Might depend really on where you live. Most leftist types I've met in real life either announce their tendency all over themselves (clothes/tattooes/etc) or they just don't fall into one particular camp or another. The "none/all of the above" category is the most common I've encountered. Probably because there are hardly any leftist types where I live. I also met a whole lot of self-identified anarchists through Food not Bombs, and theyre super nice people, but often incoherent in their ideology or actually just liberals. The ML types I've met are rarer than self-identified anarchists, but yeah the anarchists were often all over the place in terms of ideology, theory, organizing, etc. I mean even talking about quantity is weird because to me it's comparing like 6 people to 14 people.
I think the sentiment leans anarchist but, like most Americans, there isn't a ton of cohesive ideology behind it
Oh, definitely more, but not "all that many" in the sense that it's not like they're a major presence as opposed to MLs. Both are still very fringe.
I've never met an anarchist IRL and my buddy in the SRA says that they're more of a solid minority than anything. But also it might be regional.
I think this might be why this thread seems confused about numbers, becuase it's so regional and concentrated
It can also be confusing because a lot of MLs are abolitionists in the US, so they seem like anarchists at first glance
I've heard that thing about millenials although I'm not convinced they could give a meaningful description of what socialism is if asked. I mean there's probably some promise that the words are no longer scary, but maybe I'm cynical about this. Just about everyone I know around my age is either completely checked out of politics or they are a complete chud with maga flags on their trucks.
I think the communism support numbers are more substantial than socialism support numbers. Not too many non-right wingers calling Canada communist, for example. Even if most of them don't have a clear idea of what communism is, it does show that communism isn't, like, inconsequential compared to anarchism. I mean I haven't seen any poll numbers for support of anarchism but I doubt it's like a majority or something.
Meaning I think there's reason to assume the Biden admin's use of the term is just messaging and not an objective reflection of how much of a threat they are to the state.
I'm guessing the Biden admin's usage of anarchist is to lump together just about any of their political opponents into the same camp. So anyone from Boogaloo Boys or Qanon weirdos to antifa or really committed labor union leaders could be described as an anarchist by them.
And it's all probably just an excuse to throw more money at alphabet agencies and police.
The lion’s share of anticapitalists in the US are radlibs
What's the difference, functionally?
Like what, self-identifying? And if we're talking about coherent, organized, doctrinaire anarchists of the leftist type then I'm not convinced the number would be that high to even bother comparing to other leftist tendencies, because there are hardly leftists at all in the US and there's no standard, structured leftist movement in popular consciousness. My gut says there are maybe something like ten to thirty thousand anarchists like that in the US (without looking at data) and I don't know, maybe the same number of ML types but really who knows. Hardly anyone announces this type of thing.
There’s at least one replying to you right now. But depends if you mean anarchists who just hate the government or ones who actually believe in anarchy. If that makes sense?
Still evokes too much McCarthy for most non-Republicans to take it seriously, I think.
Edit: unless you're talking about AES, of course.
Congratulations to all anarchists for officially becoming extremely cool!
