We all know the white guys who call themselves history buffs but only have a limited knowledge of WWII which is based on history channel documentaries.
Ww2 was the last time most people can think of where the government actually tried to do anything other than some scam
Trueee!!! Even though the way that we waited until the last moment to join in was rather scam-like
I dunno. I wonder if japan hadn't attacked us if we would have got involved. I know we fucked around with ww1 but we liked both sides of the war too much to pick one to start.
The US was already partially involved before Pearl Harbor, even. We were lend leasing stuff and Roosevelt was firmly with the Allies. It's hard to say if outright war was inevitable, but sending weapons to the UK and Soviets was arguably the biggest contribution from the US anyway.
We were also selling computers, cars, and steel to the germans.
Japan picked us for a reason, I get it. I just think that we would be just as comfortable taking up with natzis before the war as we ended up being after.
IBM was selling punchcard tech to Nazis, which they used to track camp detainees; US did the same for the Japanese camps
I think that's what he's getting at anyway
This is always the very first thing a self-proclaimed WWII buff will point out. Never fails.
Not saying you're one of them, but I've just noticed that the type of faux history buff this topic is referencing loves to drop that "USA wouldn't have gotten involved if not for Pearl Harbor" fact like it isn't common knowledge.
Is it common knogle that we were and still are mostly more idologocally aligned with the natzis than any other group in the war?
how do i find queer femme history buff tiktok (sorry im ancient)
Also is there any discussion on that place that isn't through video? I only accept memes in image and gif format and get confused by these new "talkies" that the kids are into.
It's a friend replacement. It is possible to generate the same feels that you get from hanging out with friends, just from watching videos. Has little to do with the content.
Unfortunately, you will have to download the hellapp (the browser version won't even let you search)
Usually by someone just narrating a video or series of videos
@reallifelore
I've said it before: in an earlier age, all these war-obsessed white males would have joined the army and been killed off, thus chlorinating our gene pool and sparing us of their presence. In our peaceful society today, they have nowhere to go and start screeching because they don't get to kill any more. The military is no home for them, it's highly technical and there are whole universities for it. You can join for a few years, but under the "up or out" program, either you climb their ladder or you get kicked out pretty fast. So now we're stuck with them.
would have joined the army and been killed off, thus chlorinating our gene pool and sparing us of their presence.
Nah, they would’ve had a few kids first, otherwise we might be living like bonobos by now.
Rome, WW2, maybe American Revolution and Civil War. "History guys" have largely moved away from Sparta and samurai, the latter fans have been moved into "weeabo" territory and beef with "history guys."
If only there were a certain kind of conflict within society being waged that you can talk about without talking about actual warfare :curious-marx:
In seriousness, though, while politics and economics are never going to be as captivating to the audience as battles and such, you can certainly frame it in a way that has some logic or theme so it doesn’t come off as an irrelevant bundle of facts.
Being a nerd about war stuff is how I got into politics. Because once you go beyond a very surface level, it's all political.
The m1 is dope. I don’t know anything about it though, I just like the ping sound and how it feels to shoot in games
my pal has one and they're pretty hefty so know that they also feel really cool and ping-worthy
Mosin-Nagants too. very heavy, very cool to see fired. A friend has a couple since he does (legal, ordinary things so chill ASIO agents in this thread) stuff in harsh climates. I'm not swole enough to fire one easily but they're cool as shit to look at.
I mean, it was the largest war in human history, fought on every continent, involving every major world power, fought over many years involving a lot of big and small things, where we have memoirs of soldiers and commanders who only died a few decades ago. I am personally somebody really into history, though my interest is far more 1400-1900 than ww2, but like I totally get the large focus on ww2.
and as much as it is parroted they only care about ww2, many many armchair historians are obsessed with the Roman empire too, American ones love the civil war a lot in my experience. but like, ww2 is just a very accessible topic on a modern event still within living memory
Fun fact: in his time, Mussolini was considered a genius, the smartest man in any room he was in. Basically like Obama. After the war, there was this alchemy and suddenly he was transformed into a buffoon, a moron who couldn't do anything right. Kind of like how Dunkirk was transformed from a major defeat into a great victory in the public mind.
mussolini just doesnt have as good PR cuz nazi racism resonates with anglos better. easy to forget that anglos (and nazis) used to despise southern europeans.
mussolini wasn't a worthy adversary or a person anglos secretly like
Mussolini's fascism lacked the race component of Nazism. Thus it doesn't benefit anyone to fluff him up an enemy to be remembered. It's like, name a single wartime Japanese other than Yamamoto...most people can't.
I think WWII is very interesting. My family was living on the eastern front so it’s kinda a personal living memory for me.
Why are you interested in that period of history?
uhhhh, I have no fucking idea.I just get super into stuff sometimes
Newsflash: the History Channel stopped doing history over a decade ago. It's all on Youtube now. And WWII gets enough coverage, there's tons and tons of supremely qualified amateurs doing good work. So much more than wars. Here's a sample channel. There are tons more just like it.
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There's a lot of weirdo military history weirdos online.
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The American non-Nazis (at least in their minds) can latch on to WWII as the last moral war the US engaged in. It's also something that is sometimes tied to thei family, like a grandparent or great grandparent.
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The American Nazi-ish types can fetishize Nazis and their tanks and shit.
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Oh, you mean the 14-15 year old cishet guy who plays too much Paradox games and thinks it's a substitution for reading, listens to Sabaton and Nazi songs like Erika "ironically", posts nonsense on r/historymemes about how tragic the end of Byzantium and Austria-Hungary were, is obsessed with the Nazi equipment and culture "for the aesthetic" and thinks doge memes about war crimes are the funniest things ever?
Yeah I know him. Either they outgrow it and a) move on from history, b) actually learn about history from real sources instead of video games, or c), they don't move on, become a regular on 4chan and become an incel
obsessed with the Nazi equipment
It's usually pretty easy to shut those guys down by pointing out the equipment was on par in effectiveness and totally inferior for the war Germany was fighting.
If 1:1 performance is all that matters, the Maus was a great idea and Germany's MG42 and America's M3 were terrible downgrades.
If not being outgunned 100:1 is important, then you can just quote production numbers and mock Germany's less-specialized tooling/horse-based logistics/47623764 unique vehicle models, most of which didn't share parts, parts weren't manufactured, and basic maintenance like replacing a spark plug required shit like removing the entire turret.
I think you can understand how ineffective the equipment was for the war effort but still be extremely interested in it. (in fact, the amazement of how inefficient it was makes it more interesting tbh) The weird ones are people who talk about german tank/weapon superiority and fetishize generals/units
(nazi/soviet guns on ForgottenWeaponds is always an insta click for me personally lol)
i make one post about nazis and now it is all I've posted about for a day :amogus:
That's kinda me but with ships. The German navy in WW2 was hilariously bad in so many ways and their ship design was pretty much inferior to all other countries with any substantial naval power.
Nah, I meant more like the middle aged dorks who wish they had the glory of that war but instead they live a mind numbingly boring existence. Now they try to live off and take claim for the people who fought in that war.
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Guys seem to only care about military history.
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WW2 is probably the most visible war in pop culture
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Same energy: trivia night categories that are :lmayo:
Also the last time superpowers could square off before nukes got involved.
they consume WW2 media, its like a consumer identity that seems more erudite than 'nazi fanboy'
WW2 is probably the most important and relevant conflict in modern human history, you can spend your entire life researching aspects of it and it's causes and effects on thousands of things
actually the most important and relevant conflict in modern human history is class struggle. :ritzy-marx:
