Surely it had nothing to do with years and years and neoliberalism you're so keen on doubling down on.

  • hotcouchguy [he/him]
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    Skipping to the end:

    Health care, for example, can be provided publicly, privately or in a mixed system like Germany’s; but it should always be universal. Pension reform is a no-brainer. So is tax simplification that cuts loopholes for Boomers, thus broadening the base without necessarily raising rates. And yes, we should keep studying the idea, still never properly tried, of a Universal Basic Income — not to expand, but to replace the welfare state.

    It would be tragic if we survived the pandemic only to find ourselves living in true socialism, which in practice has always robbed societies of prosperity and individuals of freedom. To avoid that fate, all generations should offer Millennials a fairer — a liberal — deal.

    All that hand-wringing just to literally propose rebranded neoliberalism. I can't even understand who would write this, or why, or who would take this shit seriously.

    • the_river_cass [she/her]
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      holy shit. this is the first time I've seen anyone in major media acknowledge a position left of liberal. capitalist realism is finally dying.

      • LeninWalksTheWorld [any]
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        The dialects are in motion comrade and they may be close to finally resolving some contradictions established hundreds of years ago.

        • the_river_cass [she/her]
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          40% of people are about to get evicted - so yeah, contradictions are about to be forced. it's just interesting to watch hegemonic ideology break down in real time. best to keep in mind what the real contradictions are and not get swept up in the tide of breaking hegemonic ideology.

    • ProtoCabbage [none/use name]
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      I never thought I’d say this about a Bloomberg article, but the comments are actually pretty good! The number of people who laid into this piece and were super critical of it from the left is really encouraging!

      • it_that_follows [none/use name]
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        Very, very weird to see. Is public opinion actually shifting significantly? Usually these comment sections are filled with red-scared libs and chuds.

          • darkcalling [comrade/them, she/her]
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            Never mistake online for real life.

            Online you will find over-representations of every single group with a strong opinion. It's just the nature of things.

            With a mere 200 dedicated and terminally online socialists you could easily shift the mood in many online comment sections for smaller articles.

            And who would be most likely to reply to an article like this or read it in the first place? Probably not those who agree with it, they just nod at it and move on with their day. And socialists are more likely to anger click on it and then respond.

            Go to a large default subreddit on reddit for a slightly more accurate representation. See how well selling actual socialism (not Bernie Sanders socialism, not what all these liberals think is socialism) to them in the comments goes. You'll get downvoted massively.

            Sentiments against capitalism are growing make no mistake. But the actual movement for socialism is being actively subverted and co-opted by liberal opportunists (Warren, Bernie) as well as the new cold war against China and the platoon of left anti-communists who inveigh against "authoritarian" socialism in places like the former USSR, Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia. Everywhere it is actually tried it is castigated as a violent and oppressive system and liberals who like to call themselves socialists are quick to denounce that and state that "real socialism" isn't "authoritarian" as the US state dept says and that "real socialism" is stuff like Norway. Thus muddying the waters and offering a false path of compromise and failure which delights porky and the CIA.

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    i expected less than nothing from this article, but this that pure, uncut cringe

    So Millennials have a right to be frustrated. But what makes many of them irate is watching the older generations milk the system at their expense, through what some economists call “Boomer socialism.”

    and then the next paragragh starts like this

    Consider the generous but unsustainable public pensions going to Boomers in most developed countries, which are paid for largely by Millennials and Xers.

    but it gets better

    This distress, coupled with the hypocrisy of Boomers who claim to oppose big government while enjoying it in so many ways, explains why Millennials have been trending left and even embracing the loaded word “socialism.” It’s these fed-up young voters who boosted the campaigns of lefty Boomer populists like Bernie Sanders in the U.S. and Jeremy Corbyn in the U.K.

    Whether Millennials actually use the word “socialism” properly — as government ownership of the means of production — is moot. More likely, they simply want better public policy that addresses their specific problems. Even then, however, they often fall prey to political snake oil such as rent controls or wealth taxes.

    being smug about knowing what socialism is better than 'millennials', while clearly not knowing what socialism is lol. and they called bernie a boomer when he's like 137 years old. i've missed getting mad at articles like this :grinning face with smiling eyes:

    • CellularArrest [any]
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      Even then, however, they often fall prey to political snake oil such as rent controls or wealth taxes.

      SUCK MY WHOLE ASS

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          gulag landlords

          Can this be the compromise? I have another idea.

            • KiaKaha [he/him]
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              Everyone deserves four walls and a roof, especially landlords.

              spoiler

              The roof is for if the previous four walls don’t do the trick.

          • LeninWalksTheWorld [any]
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            Well I want Maoist style public landlord trials who's going to cater to my special interest?

      • hotcouchguy [he/him]
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        Apparently not snake oil: universal "access" to healthcare, "simplified" (flat) taxes, and cutting retirement benefits. So brave to propose rebranded austeriy.

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    The offer was Bernie.

    They didn't take the offer. Deal is now off the table. No more compromising. Don't fall to opportunism.

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    Health care, for example, can be provided publicly, privately or in a mixed system like Germany’s; but it should always be universal. Pension reform is a no-brainer. So is tax simplification that cuts loopholes for Boomers, thus broadening the base without necessarily raising rates. And yes, we should keep studying the idea, still never properly tried, of a Universal Basic Income — not to expand, but to replace the welfare state.

    Lmao, this is their best offer? Tax fiddling, taking away welfare programs in order to subsidize landlords, and maybe healthcare?

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      Came here to post this. What a raw deal.

      Fuck taking their ‘better offer’. Full Stalinism or bust.

    • scamboy [he/him,any]
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      4 years ago

      Also, there is now way boomer tax avoidance/evasion comes anywhere close to corporations.

      • RegentOfLucetia [any]
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        Well of course, when corporations file for tax deductions they deserve it. Not like those greedy retirees

        • scamboy [he/him,any]
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          They would also get vored by Mike, if they mentioned tax hikes in his toilet paper.

      • nox [none/use name]
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        Just another example of how corporate media is doing its best to keep us pitted against each other. "Look it's those greedy boomers who are benefitting while you suffer; it's all their fault!" All the while the capitalist pigs are robbing us blind.

        Wish boomers as a group weren't so brainwashed to hate leftism though

    • skeletorsass [she/her]
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      Really lays things bare when they present it in literal terms of "we need to implement concessions to stave off socialism"

  • karl [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    We must make them a better offer.

    Andrew Yang: here’s a thousand bucks a month to fuck off.

    • Jorick [he/him]
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      Take the bucks, buy an AR15 and build a guillotine. Capitalists will sell you the rope to hang them with, why bother lmao.

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    Hey I can offer Millennials an alternative to Socialism.

    (The offer turned out to be Communism.)

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    C'mon millennials, you don't want to do a socialism. Don't you know it always fails? Step away from those means of production, and get over here for some Realistic™, Pragmatic™ policy that'll totally happen this time. We won't spend our entire time holding all three branches of government bellyaching about needing to be palatable to the right to keep power, and so we can't do anything left of literally The Heritage Foundation's healthcare plan, and then, after losing power, bellyache about needing to be palatable to the right to regain power, we swear.

    • Agent21_KJ [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      Silly young people, life is about never ending compromise and sacrificing even your core values to appeal to some banal sense of bipartisanship and maintaining civility. Better things are not possible, you know!

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    Noticing some Neoliberal goalposts in the discourse moving recently.

    Confidence in the system and the Free Market has dropped.

    Complaints about an advantage enjoyed by companies from countries with more central government control have risen.

    You kinda love to see it.

      • KiaKaha [he/him]
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        In Coker v. Georgia, a convicted murderer escaped from prison and in the course of committing an armed robbery and other offenses, raped an adult woman. The State of Georgia sentenced the rapist to death. Justice Powell, acknowledging that the woman had been raped, expressed the view that "the victim [did not] sustain serious or lasting injury"[28] and voted to set the death penalty aside. In that same case, Powell also wrote that "for the rape victim, life may not be nearly so happy as it was, but it is not over and normally is not beyond repair."[29]

        Talk about doing the right thing for the wrong reason.

  • PunchesWithUps [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    Silly Chapo, don't you know that political ideology is a linear line? Liberal is just "less left" than being a leftist. You need to compromise! Just let us continue imperial war, hollow out the global south, enrich insurance companies, deny housing and healthcare to the vulnerable, and destroy the environment. You entitled children need to understand that the market doesn't give a fuck about preventing a death cult from choking us all out with CO2.