https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1500499205663645700
You know what sucks? Looking this up only gives me results like 'fact check: it's fake news' or 'news of bioweapons labs is misinformation'.. and its a battle of western media denying stuff and russian media claiming the opposite, and in reverse. Both parties are engaged in a war of information and its as if the only way to keep a bit of my sanity is to just believe nothing at all(not talking about shit like azov, banderites or nato's role in all of this, that IS well documentend stuff).
Idk I'm just tired
Keep in mind that the US still denies the use of bioweapons in the Korean war while most non-Western countries regard it as fact.
Idk I’m just tired
me too comrade, me too.
not talking about shit like azov, banderites or nato’s role in all of this, that IS well documentend stuff
it's hard you know, because you go to the libs, and you put in effort, and they just spit in your face. You research for 30 minutes so they can read for 2. but then they won't read. they treat all this well documented stuff going back decades with the same level of suspicion as you might treat a piece of information that came out today. but on top of treating us with suspicion they treat us with contempt.
Exactly comrade…
You can sit and read through 30 years of history regarding US and NATO, which is all very well documented and public knowledge, and come to a sound rational conclusion and voice that to a liberal in a nice non-argumentative way that would promote a “healthy debate”
and they immediately fold and their brains just disintegrate. They regurgitate whatever they heard from CNN or Fox or any major western media outlet.
They’re chauvinists. This country is so fucking rotten with American exceptionalism that sadly I don’t think it’s irreversible. It’s a sinking ship at this point. I don’t even argue with liberals or chuds anymore. I keep my shit to myself and try and improve my short-term material conditions because that’s all anyone can do
Yeah the actual documents being missing on the page checks out but it ends with some Soros/cabal shit. I think this has been covered somewhere else tho.
I appreciate the tip. I deleted the comment since I hadnt actually checked the site at all just the article itself with the archived links
No prob! Someone posted a Twitter thread with some stuff that looks a bit more trustworthy on this stuff:
https://hexbear.net/post/178932/comment/2222470
Hmm, on one hand:
1-the US has a long history of biowarfare and also claiming the victims of their imperialism are doing the shit the US is actually doing.
On the other hand:
2-Russia is self motivated and very happy to make shit up if it benefits them, the same as any nation state.
What makes me lean towards thinking there was something going on here is the state department trying to mass delete records from their websites. That shit is extremely suspicious.
If the US was funding/producing bioweapons on the Russian border in addition to funding and training the multiple neonazi militias and politicians in Ukraine, then we’re starting to get a clearer picture of why Russia is responding so aggressively.
Add in the threat of full NATO encirclement, Ukraine actively advocating for nuclear weapons, 8 years of broken peace treaties, and 14,000 civilian deaths in the Donbas People’s Republics. You wind up with a pretty clear scenario where the Russian state would be ridiculous to not counter this if it valued its own continued existence (which every State does).
To be clear, I am not defending Putin or the Russian military. I am simply laying out the pieces for why this conflict has occurred.
I mean the thing that really makes me think this isn't real is why would the US fund a bioweapons lab in Eastern Ukraine when must have known that Russian invasion was likely and that a bioweapons lab could easily be captured by the Russians? Like, wouldn't it make a lot more sense to position something like that in western Ukraine, or to even just smuggle bioweapons into the country if that's their goal?
The Ukrainian government has already shown it has a willingness to lie to the US about the situation on the ground and what it is intending to do. It’s possible the US funded these labs for “defense” against russian bioweapons and then wound up with a :shocked-pikachu: moment.
The other aspect is that regardless of whether the US snuck bioweapons in, they still need someplace to store the weapons and keep them secure. These locations would need to be labs with some degree of military presence. You don’t want things like anthrax or even (hopefully not) smallpox just floating around, they have to be locked down and managed until you decide to deploy them.
Sure, but why place a bioweapons lab in Eastern Ukraine where its at higher risk for capture by the Russians. And even if it was there, it's been ten days since the invasion started, surely the US government would have evacuated the lab and incinerated any evidence by now.
8 years of broken peace treaties
What makes me lean towards thinking there was something going on here is the state department trying to mass delete records from their websites. That shit is extremely suspicious.
that's interesting. where'd you find that out? I wanna show more people.
You wind up with a pretty clear scenario where the Russian state would be ridiculous to not counter this if it valued its own continued existence (which every State does).
yeah vijay prashad goes into how the entire deal with NATO is to diplomatically soft-coup countries into subordinating their local militaries to US command structure.
Unsurprised they did this and also unsurprised Gorby believed they were being honest.
:yea:
Was just about to edit my comment to say I hope that gullible fuck is enjoying his pizza hut.
the US is documented as having engaged in heavy biowarfare in Korea
https://jeff-kaye.medium.com/secret-history-u-s-2ac4c7219bd
https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-long-suppressed-korean-war-report-on-u-s-use-of-biological-weapons-released-at-last-20d83f5cee54
Gonna call bullshit on this one. Not because I think the US is beyond developing bioweapons, but because even the US military wouldn't be stupid enough to do it in Ukraine. That kind of work is EXTREMELY capital intensive and it seems exceedingly unlikely they would do it in Ukraine. Also what's the fucking point? It's not like it's hard to transport what you need to ukraine/Russia from a more established point of research/production.
:geordi-no: Shipping bio weapons along interior lines
:geordi-yes: Shoving bio weapons into a shipping container and floating them across the Atlantic
Honestly I would trust floating it over in a classic vw beetle with water wings before I would trust the Ukrainian government. They make the usa look functional.
I feel the same. The US knows how corrupt and inept Ukrainian officials are. They'd do it in another, less incompetent vassal like Poland or Estonia.
what on earth gave you the idea that that's something the US government would care about.
Also this way you have more access to American educated scientists and better ability to keep things under wraps and under control.
also America literally openly has bioweapon labs in America
Man, the whole ASBMilitary thing seems insanely sus, and that's coming from someone who is all aboard the azov nazi thing.
They posted a picture of a laptop with "property of NATO" sticker on it earlier, as if NATO would send equipment and personnel for a clandestine operation with everything labeled. It's very clearly either an op or just the pro-Russia equivalent of those osint dorks.
I check ABS, but they are propaganda. If you're looking for truth you will never find it presented to you on a platter, you have to piece it together through different sources and analysis based on understanding the biases of said sources.
ASB is good with announcing military movements. I check them periodically throughout the day to see what’s happening.
I think they post stuff like that in hopes of getting more information or getting it fact checked. I don’t think they post allegations like that and firmly believe it.
They're fantastic for stuff like troop movements and getting a better picture of where the front really is. I'm just saying they're clearly pro-russia and generally accept official Russian sources uncritically. I say this as someone who is generally pro-russia and is explicitly rooting for DPR and LPR forces (I know people fighting in them personally). If you want to be accurately informed you should always take these things into consideration.
There's no way to have unbiased info during war time, so it's always good to have both sides of information and compare them, to see which sides exaggerate more. I could said now that info from Kiev and the west is way to exaggerate than what ever Kremlin spit out.
Russian lies so far feel more like technicalities and word twisting while the Western lies are boardering on: "BRREAKING NEWS: Superman spotted flying over Kiev and taking out half the Russian air force! It appears that the man of steel has chosen his side! Slava Ukraini!"
Marvel circle jerk I’m has become so embedded in American culture
I mean I think they absolutely would have stuff with "property of NATO" on it in like an office or research facility or something.
It is from the Kremlin so still sus but officall ...
the documents don't list anthrax or plague as among those samples destroyed, and afaik with google translate these are just internal ukrainian docs. how do they know the order came from the pentagon, how do they know there were bioweapons there?
Heres the US embassy documents they hastily deleted from their site
https://mobile.twitter.com/dgaytandzhieva/status/1497556518278991873
Ok, so to be clear the documents confirm these are American military funded biolabs in Ukraine. Doubtful there'd be documentation of bioweapons, and there's probably some excuse of like "oh we wanted to find ways to protect Ukrainians from dastardly Russian bioweapons"
Yes, exactly. They're not gonna put "we're making bioweapons" on their embassy site. But, it does seem super sus that on feb 26 they try to erase evidence of them funding biolabs and now Russia is saying they were making bioweapons. Russia very well could be lying but considering the history of bioweapons and america this is bad.
Somewhere down the thread a reply notes that the domain went out in April '21:
https://twitter.com/arikouts/status/1497581949241733129?s=20&t=kcTJLlVwE6kPfogMXoSY7g
It's probably not coincidental, (like why would Biden's admin keep it up there if they were hawkish on Ukraine and could foresee a conflict?) but it looks like they flushed a bunch of documents this way, not just these.
There have been extremely sus "reports" of this since day 1 of the war. Good luck getting any sort of reliable info on it one way or the other.
All information from an active warzone should be taken with a grain of salt.
Not sure a grain is enough. Maybe a small salt mine?
Fun fact: The US were going to blame China for COVID until they found out that the labs they wanted to pin the blame on were theirs.
It was hilarious watching the media propaganda machine grind to a halt as they frantically told everyone to drop the story.
And all it cost were Asian-Americans being killed and attacked in public.
There wasn't any one article or station that was saying it, but it was a general tone across all of media at the time.
Russia should have just said Ukraine had WMDs. It wouldn't have mattered if they had them or not.
This is going to be dismissed as Russian propaganda unless they are able to provide something independently verifiable.
