:cool-zone: end this fucking blight of a country. love and power to the people who head out to protest tonight.
don't watch this if you value your sanity.
They beat him the way I've seen people get beat in gang videos, just jumping him while another pins his arms. And liberals and chuds will still say the police are not a gang. Most well funded, heavily armed, and dangerous gang out there running the streets.
Lots of traditional gangs realize they would get more benefits by having members join the police and military because they get free weapons, training, and immunity
Don't forget the LAPD has gangs within it's ranks, no doubt other precincts have it too.
It's LASD technically with the huge number of internal gangs, though LAPD is obviously not going to be clean
It would be fair to say I think that LASD is a coalition of explicitly white supremacist gangs and the LAPD just is a big gang.
I just assume 90% of sheriffs are neo nazis while the general police departments a melting pot of fascists. The American dream
Nah, Sheriffs were around first. The OG Nazis cribbed a lot of their beliefs from American law-enforcement. Sheriffs aren't Neo-Nazis, Nazis are Neo-Americans.
Once visited the house of a guy whose father was a Ma rico pa County sheriff. He came home in his uniform muttering the N word to himself repeatedly.
I don't remember what they call themselves, but there's literally a 1% MC in LA that's all cops. And they do exactly the same shit that every other 1% MC does, like extortion, running drugs, and trafficking women for prostitution.
They're mentioned on various american motorcycle forums all the fucking time, so it's not like it's a secret or anything.
it's late and I'm drunk but insert effort post about RAMPART scandal here
I wish TrueAnon did a full Rampart episode but you get some of it from their Dorner story
There's a disturbing status to being a cop who has or hasn't killed somebody. It's something they want to happen.
Gangs with badges, what can I say. When you pin a guys arms behind him and hit him in the face with right and left hooks all pretenses of "law and order" go out the fucking window and you're doing gangland shit.
Two or three of the five cops who started this joined up after George Floyd's murder, so I have to wonder if they just liked what they saw.
Cops all over the country have been struggling to make recruiting numbers and replace retiring officers. People can tell you "abolish the cops" is a losing slogan until their teeth fall out but it seems like the cops are getting abolitioned just by attrition and no amount of funding is enough to pad out their numbers.
Comrade Covid, out there abolishing cops left and right. :rat-salute-2:
well i'm pretty sure that this "SCORPION" unit is literally their gangs unit, so i guess they know what they're about.
That's so fucked up that's what the unit is called, what "Cobra Unit" was taken already?
Street Crimes Operation to Restore Peace In Our Neighborhoods :visible-disgust:
They sure restored peace all right. Oh btw, this isn't Orwellian, women with blue hair telling you not to be a bigot is.
:trump-moist: We must BUILD A WALL around recruitment centers . They're bringing their rapists, their murderers, this MP :acab-2: gang ... so horrible. They're coming after our children. No place is safe.
Calling them a gang is an insult to gangs, at least gangs sometimes do a few good things
I can't think of a single damn thing cops actually do that actually helps anyone
Occasionally they shoot eachother, which is about the only helpful thing
They beat him the way I’ve seen people get beat in gang videos, just jumping him while another pins his arms.
in which video is that? I can't watch all of them
Watched all the videos. :doomjak:
They have different times and perspectives. Here's what happened along with some personal speculation.
- Video 1 is a cop cam of Tyre getting violently yanked out of the car and getting tazed and pepper sprayed before running for his dear life. Piece of shit cops are pissed afterwards because their aim was bad so some of it ends up being friendly fire. In later videos it becomes clear this was at least part of the motivation for killing him as they complain about him running after the beating.
- Video 2 is a private owned camera that got a top down view of the main beating and is probably the main footage that led to the cops being arrested before the footage was even made public.
- Video 3 is a cop that either forgot to turn his camera off or thought he was far enough from the beating for the footage not to be useful. It shows part of the beating from slightly closer than video 2 when the cop isn't looking elsewhere.
- Video 4 is a cop actively participating in the beating but covers his camera manually during the beating. You can still hear Tyre crying for his life while the cops keep yelling lies about Tyre not putting his hands back (At this point in video 2 there's already multiple cops on top of him.) I think it's safe to assume this was going to be part of their cover story. The footage continues after Tyre is in critical condition as the cops flash lights at Tyre's broken body, joke, complain about their minor injuries and come up with excuses as it becomes clear just how far their beatings went to backup on the scene.
Let me know if I got anything wrong and I can edit my comment. Also there are protests happening tonight and will continue this weekend being streamed, which I am currently watching to calm down a little.
I watched it. It's real bad, even by cops standards it's appalling. I'm not going into detail, but there is no conceivable defense for this. I'm already seeing the vile fucking ghouls say "he shouldn't have run". Absolutely detestable, they are rotten to the core. I hope the precinct is burnt to the ground, and if any of the cops whole are responsible get caught out in public, what happens happens, no sympathy for them
He ran because he knew he was a dead man if he didn't get away.
The parts I watched at least, that's what I instantly understood. They stopped him and pulled him out of a car at a major intersection, gave him contradictory instructions and beat him over objections, so he bolted as soon as he got free. They pursued in cars and caught him at another more isolated residential intersection and tortured him to death. I don't have the time or stomach I think to watch the entire sequence unabridged but that's just what I took away.
He ran because he knew he was a dead man if he didn’t get away.
One fucking million percent. ANYONE who can watch that video in the year 2023 and still say "he shouldn't have run" is a racist piece of dogshit who for one reason or another is fundamentally incapable of identifying with the basic fucking humanity of Tyre Nichols. He ran because he was absolutely terrified for his life and he was absolutely right to be so!
This case is really going to solidify who's the racist in your lives because there's literally nothing to defend the cops on and nothing to blame the kid for in this one. Floyd was the same too, but chuds used flimsy excuses like he was on drugs so he deserved to die and that Chauvin was following standard police procedure...of choking someone with a knee on their neck.
Yeah even if I was safely pulled over and a cop tried to pull me out of my car for no reason I'd fucking run. If that was happening at a major intersection I'd be fearing for my life that I was about to get beaten and/or killed.
They have know their mask has slipped off to say "just don't run" in response to this because if a cop says or acts like they are going to kill you, then what options do you have? Peacefully surrendering on the spot isn't one of them. If it was then cops wouldn't get the option to use lethal force when they're faced with the same--or far less.
That's one thing that was absolutely drilled in to me about fighting when I was a kid; never, ever hit someone in the head. Go for the stomach, kick them in the balls, kick them in the kneecaps, bite them, gouge their eyes out, whatever. But getting hit in the head is how people die suddenly and unexpectedly. you clock someone in the jaw, they go unconscious and brain themselves on the pavement, you're up for murder charges. They go down, you kick them in the head, they have a brain bleed, you're up for murder charges. Biting and gouging is just kids fucking around, shots to the head are when you're trying to kill someone.
“he shouldn’t have run”.
8 men can't get one dude to comply without resorts to kicking him in the head and pummeling him :k:
What’s wild is that the surveillance camera that caught the beating was also from a private resident and from the top floor. The angle and everything - it really is fucking Rodney King in HD.
They strategize for this too. They do it instinctively. As in part of their training.
I'm sure the union runs them through all the strategies for fucking up evidence.
I was wondering why it seemed like it was being controlled and focused on the action.
I imagine they woke up from all the yelling and lights and looked at the camera. It seems too stable to be a police camera. But I may be wrong
You have to be so fucking brave, like depleted uranium gonads brave, to record something like that and not destroy the footage. I'd be expecting my door to come down in the middle of the night for the rest of my life.
Yeah, if I was that person, I would upload the footage only after moving to another state and changing my name and facial hair
You're probably onto something.
If it was a police camera, there'd be someone purposefully trying to record that police interaction, adjusting where it was pointing.
They need to go into hiding because the pigs are gonna kill them.
Take any one of the 5 pigs in this chase, and replace him with any officer from any department in the entire country, and I guarantee you the random officer follows along and does the exact same thing.
Unreformable.
Of course. This was meant as a point of argument that anyone could use on a liberal, and something to rhetorically bolster confidence.
"This is not who we are!" - binch stop lying, this is exactly who we are.
Video 4 is a good one to watch. After the beating, the pig leaves his mic on, and you can get a great look at the lies they tell, and the horrible culture that's through all of it. Listening to that is horrifying in a slightly different way the the other videos.
Yeah. It's revolting. But it's a very good example of how pigs are. They laugh and congratulate themselves on how they beat him, while complaining about how they hurt themselves doing it. Then they begin to cook their story. How he grabbed their guns, how he must have been high, how he was violent when they pulled him over. He was so strong.
Gutless fucking cowards who deserve to feel exactly what they did to him five times over.
complaining about how they hurt themselves doing it.
I think it's worth emphasizing; Beating a fit person to death requires enormous exertion. Generally speaking a single person cannot beat another person to death without kicking them in the head or deliberately kicking them in such a way as to cause organ rupture. Even then it requires a lot of effort. Killing someone with your bare hands requires a great deal of focused, intentional effort. It doesn't happen by accident.
Can someone archive Video 4? My downloader isn't working, don't want to lose track of it if it's taken down
That poor fucking young man never stood a chance. How inhuman do you have to be to torture a total stranger to death?
I expect the rage to fizzle out, the exact same way it always fizzles out every time the American Empire shows its true face. I expect nothing from the treat-munching dogs of this miserable country, not even myself, the treat-munching dog I am.
I hope the rest of the world can defeat us before it's too late.
Remember that there are degrees of economic detachment that we can achieve, and any reason to further detach is a good one.
I have a whole zine I need to write about this.
Someone who lives off the government dole provides much less fuel for the fire, and arguably even is a net reduction in resources of the capitalist colossus, compared to someone who puts full-time labor into employment and pays taxes accordingly. Better yet is someone whose entire personal economic environment is informal economies where no taxes are paid whatsoever.
Dropping out is not necessarily a good idea, but if you can, figure out how to maximize the benefits you can get as a citizen of the empire, while minimizing how much you have to buy and spend to live well.
It is not illegal to be a homesteader, and it is hard to imagine an America where it is. Even though capital cannot squeeze profits out of homesteaders, it relies heavily on the framework that makes them possible, and also draws on them ideologically.
If we can become a movement of collective homesteaders (a fancy, mask-on way of saying we form communes), we can exercise a lot more power than we currently do. Many of our limitations get their restrictive power from the way we are compelled to do everything individually. Escaping the compulsion of individualism means you can do a lot of economic "hacking". I hold that revolutions succeed not merely due to heightened contradictions, but because of revolutionaries who have prepared and positioned themselves well.
it is not illegal to be a homesteader
What does being a homesteader mean? Don't you need to own land for that?
It means you have some sort of either self-sufficiency or direct production for use coming from where you live.
Yes, you do need to own land for this. There are parts of the country where a prole working full-time can build up enough savings in a few years to buy a house and/or land. For every place that's not an ultra-expensive city, two proles sharing a 2br and working full-time can do this.
Ideally one would want just land, less than an hour's bike ride from a reasonable-sized town, and to build structures on it- perhaps one conspicuous unit and many inconspicuous units.
It’s not illegal, you just need a metric ton of knowledge and resources ($$$)
Donald Trump was always right about America needing a wall, he just got the kind wrong.
:wall-talk: :stalin-gun-1: :stalin-gun-1: :stalin-gun-1: :stalin-gun-1:
I actually have an ongoing internal conflict with the idea of capital punishment.
But then shit like this makes me realize that a certain level of rehabilitation and redemption just does not exist at least in America's current society. The hypothetical video of scum police getting fired at until they turn into a cherry slurpee is understandably horrific, but that one act of controlled violent gore ensures no more police brutality for decades at least.
My opinion is the only crimes that should be capital crimes are gross abuse of power. Shit like this is the best example, but I think also prosecutorial misconduct (i.e. planting evidence) deserves lifelong gulag if not death. It's such a perversion of anything we might call justice that it needs the kind of sentencing we give to our poorest right now.
The problem with, say, killing prosecutors is that all the prosecutors know each other. They went to the same college, they drink at the same clubs, they all read the same articles by the same authors. They have a strong social incentive to cover for each other. After all, it might be their head on the block one day, and if the prosecutor in charge owes them a favor then some evidence might go missing, or the case might get screwed up in a way that demands a re-trial.
In so far as I understand the research, harsh punishments rarely if ever result in desirable deterrence. From the standpoint of social harm removing a prosecutor from their position and baring them from professions where they would wield power serves the same purposes as executing them; In each case they are removed from the situation in which they had power to abuse. One of the benefits of abolishing the carceral punishment system is that in many cases reducing the stakes for bad behavior opens up more options for correcting that behavior. If a person knows they face death for misconduct they'll do everything in their power to subvert the system. If their penalty is being barred from their profession without being economically destroyed or losing their freedom then, from their perspective, cooperation with the state and the community becomes a much more reasonable choice.
While there are certainly moral and ethical arguments for prison abolition, community justice, and restorative justice there are also arguments that can be made from a position of pure, ice-cold pragmatism.
:gold-communist: I mean I want to believe your :bloomer: energy, I just have a deep cynicism about the rehabilitation of the powerful who are willing to abuse a system where they already have the power.
Still this is very hopeful and the kind of communist world I want to live in
SORRY to respond to a 4 day old post but ive had this tab tucked away for a while and only got to reading through it.
I think the strongest case for death sentences, in this case, for the gross abuse of power is that these people cannot be deterred. They have been structurally engineered, as you acknowledge, to believe certain things, in fact, small mercies may further inculcate these beliefs that the state of things where they are punished is abhorrent and evil. The death penalty provides a sure fire safety to society, not their conception of society like the one we live in, but to our ideal society that they, who know how power operates, how our cultural bureaucracy works, from ever using that knowledge to potentially hurt us ever again.
In fact, this is primarily how the current state of things sees us. We cannot be exiled, as they did in the 1910s and 1920s, or blackballed and harangued and imprisoned like they did from the 40s to the 60s. They have to kill us, because thats the only way the dialectic and tension gets smoothed over for at least the time being. They can infiltrate our groups and imprison our leaders, but they have to kill people to stop a revolution, and much is the same for the counter-revolution.
I used to believe people cared about self preservation but these days I’m not so sure.
Humans are very bad at assessing risk and understanding probability. People tend to, say, be very afraid of sharks despite sharks being, for all practical intents and purposes, harmless. People stubbornly refuse to wear hard hats, ear plugs, or safety glasses despite the chance of suffering a serious injury being nearly certain if you spend long enough in the trades or a factory environment. If you've ever tried to manage or team lead people who work with ladders; Trying to make people practice basic ladder safety is a fucking nightmare.
Another example would be gambling, where the law requires the exact odds of winning to be published so the punters should know that they are mathematically incapable of winning, but people still throw their money in to the machine anyway.
Combined with other factors like Boomer solipsism, Calvinist invidualism, the pervasiveness of the Just World Fallacy in capitalist cultures, and the simple failure to reckon with the immediacy and inevitability of death we arrive at a situation where many people are effectively incapable of gauging risk or appreciating how quickly their quality of life can be completely destroyed.
I might voice some pragmatic objections to the great bacon fry on restorative justice and decarceralization grounds, but I wouldn't try very hard.
My take is pretty simple; Outside of wartime conditions there is rarely if ever a situation where resources are stretched so thin the state can't afford to incarcerate someone indefinitely. If you kill an innocent person that's it, they're dead. No going back. If you lock up an innocent person there's still a chance that the truth will come out and they'll be freed. For the most part the death penalty is about revenge and doesn't serve any legitimate social interest. We know from extensive research that deterrence doesn't work. Additionally, hope for mercy can be used very effectively to turn criminals against each other, induce spies to give up useful information, and so forth. Mercy is a very powerful weapon. People will resolutely face death, but it's a lot harder to keep your mouth shut when you've been treated humanely and with respect by your jailers.
Generally speaking, and excepting wartime exigencies that might demand more immediate and decisive action, I don't think it's ever in society's best interest to execute people.
And, of course, ultimately, the goal is the abolition of carceral punishment entirely, and with it the cultural and economic situation that makes the kind of violence we're dealing with endemic.
Have you forgotten that this is the nation of overreacters?
One act of controlled violent gore makes them infuriated and looking for even more people to punish.
Capital punishment has never deterred crime, ever. To buy into that narrative is to legitimize what has been done to minority community for centuries.
Shooting them in the head is quicker and lethal injections get fucked up a lot so they're basically poisoned to death over the course of hours
I already knew but this certainly helps to harden my resolve
Contrast this to that mentally ill man who starved to death naked and down to 90lbs in a pool of water and fecal waste in solitary confinement because he couldn't make $100 bail because he was destitute. His crime, making finger guns at cops. Versus murdering a man and you're free to walk out.
The only thing that keeps me sane is that people are starting to notice the contradictions because it's becoming impossible to ignore them.
While clearly schizophrenic. Finger guns from a known schizophrenic man.
I saw a video of one of the cops who killed or stood around while George Floyd was killed walking about at a Walmart. Wild. Didn’t seem afraid for his life at all.
Wild. Didn’t seem afraid for his life at all.
Because the cops know they're untouchable thanks to state sanctioned murder that the badge provides.
A could of the forest defense people were being held on 700,000 bail for terrorist being in a park charges.
I read this comment like 5 times and I'm still not sure what it's trying to say
Sorry, idk what I was trying to say either. In the aftermath of the murder of Tortugita in Atlanta a number of forest defenders are being held on 700,000$ bail for terrorism charges. There "Crime" is apparently being in the park when the cops opened up on Tortuguita.
I think it's a reference to this https://hexbear.net/post/247887
He was just a man trying to get home for gods sake. I like many others do not advise watching the video. I did....and i'm not well mentally right now.
yea posting it mainly so braver souls can provide a recap. I didn't watch it and have no plans to. hearing some of the audio on Hasan's stream was enough to convince me that it's horrifying.
When they catch up to him, two cops are already pinning him down. Then another one arrives and pepper sprays him, but he’s a dumbass so he ends up pepper spraying himself and the other cops as well. This no doubt pissed everybody off and I imagine caused an escalation in an already murderous situation.
Eventually they get him up and he’s slurring his words and stumbling around mindlessly because he’s been punched and kicked and pepper sprayed multiple times. Several cops are holding his arms while another one yells at him to give him his hands (remember, they already got like two guys holding his arms. He can’t move them) and starts pepper spraying/punching him again
Its fucking barbaric. I've only stomached one viewing but even to them it has to be obvious that he's in complete shock and he probably can't even understand what the hell is going on anymore. He was just trying to get fucking home and they beat him to death. Fuck everything.
"Shreds upon shreds bro"
Seriously he had some talent. I certainly could never be able to do that.
I want more stuff like that because MSM is full dogged on posting shit about victims that makes them look morally gray at best.
This made me cry man.
Fuck all this shit honestly. My guy just wanted to skate in peace and be a regular dude
I still have tears in my eyes, yet my heart remains filled with righteous anger and determination
20 days ago, on that day we lost something that could never be replaced
Of course there was another camera. Isn’t it weird how when this shit comes out every single time there’s a 3rd party with a camera.
So fucking odd that’s how this works.
Was the cop that said "I hope they stomp his ass" fired? Pigs gonna pig I guess.
Also, what a pathetic group of humans. Two pigs maced themselves, one missed his taser, it looks like one probably hurt his foot from kickingTyre. These people are fucking pathetic cowards.
It's like they're not even trained, they just grabbed bruisers from off the street and slapped badges on them and said "go get the bad guys".
That's more or less how it goes. They get at most a few months of training and standards are way down, even by cop standards, bc so many cops have quit and no one wants to join the gestapo.
bc so many cops have quit
Hey! Stop minimizing commrad covids work.
Was the cop that said “I hope they stomp his ass” fired? Pigs gonna pig I guess.
When I heard him say that I couldn't help but respond, "Yeah well the feeling is mutual you filthy fucking pig, I'd love the chance to stomp your face in"
Back in 2020 they cried because they thought their food was poisoned. At the very least, I hope they feel that level of fear again. If they’re lucky, the stress + Covid will peacefully kill them first
I think between the four videos, you can get a complete picture of what happened, no?
But it's so fucked up that it has to be this way. The harder it is to access information, the fewer people engage with it
It’s also on Vimeo too lol. Cops have posting their executions on YouTube for years and now they post what they themselves describe as “worse than Rodney king” on a site barely used by the mainstream
Is that it? I was under the impression that it was like an hour-long beating. There's only a few minutes of violence in video 4 and none of it is directly captured.
edit: and 3
Video 2 has the main beating starting at about 2min in. after they drag him over by the car, you can watch him lay by the car for another 20-25 minutes after that handcuffed with no medical attention. I would say that on it's own tells 75% of the story and would be enough to convict on its own. The other three videos are just context.
Hope that helps make sense of things, let me know if you still see it differently, and be sure to take a break comrade
I've watched 2 through the beating and it's still shorter/less graphic than I thought it would be given the state's preparation for protests. George Floyd was watching a man be strangled for 8 minutes and 46 seconds and this was declared much worse in the lead-up to its release. Still a horrific murder, but I guess I was expecting something even more gratuitous than just severely beating him with a baton for no reason. I can't tell if my barometer for public shock factor is broken after so many similar videos.
one of it is directly captured.
As far as I know - the cops' cameras were still on. If so - having a stationary camera from far away is a deliberate framing so it doesn't look as bad as it actually was.
yeah and there was no up close video of the guys standing around him when he was laying next to the cop car either.
It's beyond sad how the powerful, the influential, the police (and so many others) frame stuff in a certain way and the media's response is nearly entirely unquestioning.
I bet we don't even know how many cameras were working and how many were mysteriously off or "broken". At one point there were ~10 cops milling around. God only knows what video and audio was recorded up close.
