Crazy how Ben and Jerry's consistently has decent politics purely by being anti-war. That's like their one gimmick and it works
It’s a shockingly simple method to get you on the right side of most things
The one thing hippies can be consistent about and cool for.
Someone in that thread literally called the board of directors of Unilever "tankies" I'm fucking done
The Doomsday Clock for someone calling Biden a tankie is now five minutes to midnight
"Tankie" is going to eventually be the next "woke". Tucker Carlson is going to start calling AOC and Omar tankies, it's going to spread to all Democrats, and then libs will start making memes like "Yeah, I'm a tankie, this is pretty badass" with photos of Sherman tanks.
it’s going to spread to all Democrats, and then libs will start making memes like “Yeah, I’m a tankie, this is pretty badass” with photos of Sherman tanks.
:tankie:
You god damn tankie!
:yes-comm:
Commie!
:yes-comm:
Pinko!
:stalin-gun-1::stalin-gun-2:
It’s meant to lump together progressive liberals, socdems, reformists, and people who are sympathetic to communism but not communists themselves. IIRC, it was originally used to refer to FDR, Henry Wallace and other left-wing members of the Democratic Party by anti-New Dealers. The insinuation being that while they weren’t fully red, they were “close enough” or in denial.
By the Nixon days, it mutated to accuse anyone of being “too soft” on Communism, even Milquetoast liberals who are still vocally anticommunist themselves.
Naturally, a fully-dyed Red would/should object to the label. Same as “liberal”.
I have a friend who posts on a reactionary Chinese-speaking message board for finance and tech bros. Apparently, they use a term like "pink" as a pejorative for leftys also.
I’m a tankie of the Swedish or Finnish kind, not like the Venezuelan or Chinese tankies
Boris Johnson has already gone on record calling Ed Miliband and Gordon Brown tankies
Boris Johnson has already gone on record calling Ed Miliband and Gordon Brown tankies
Literally just doing a solid bit but not as a bit :agony-minion:
Seeing as how the term originated in bri'ain and Boris is an old bri'ish fart, he probably didn't pick it up from recent day internet poisoning though
I mean, it's WorldNews. One of the more reactionary subs on an already reactionary site.
I don't have the same take on Russia and Ukraine as most of the people on Hexbear, but reading the average redditor's opinion about it was...uh...quite something.
I guess if you don't think the US should be spending billions of dollars to arm Ukraine that's equivalent to wanting Putin to kill every single Ukrainian?
Honestly I don't even think there is a consensus take here on russia and ukraine, but there is, I think, some consensus that the US is just making things worse.
I'm just disappointed in Russia for militarily blundering into something that's been predicted in even the most lib academic foreign policy circles since before the Soviet Union actually dissolved. They were and are a declining superpower but come on, they clearly have resources, and it's their neighbor. Figure out how to resist US imperialism while getting most of what you want...
Dragging out the war is far more beneficial for them
the war literally started with a mad dash to cut the head off Ukraine and end it in days. why would the beginning of a campaign begin with a move contrary to their priorities?
a war where they're proportionally burning more nato equipment is still way more expensive than counterinsurgency. speaking of nato equipment losses---the US never was running low on weapons while occupying & anti-insurgency-ing two whole ass countries that hated their guts. Russia has spent far more in blood & materiel than it would be in a counterinsurgency campaign. and if annexed territories were legit pro-annexation then guerillas wouldn't have much support, no? i have no idea how doing a hot war with mobilization doesn't count as 'bogged down' but okay
if they just made a mad dash to Kiev
but they did go straight for Kiev at the beginning, not 'if'. you seem to imply this'd mean Russia occupying the whole country instead of just making Kiev surrender & give up the same territory they've gotten on the fastest timeline possible.
I really think Russia genuinely thought Ukraine would collapse instantly (even NATO did). I think it is entirely possible for a country to fuck up a war.
US never was running low on weapons while occupying & anti-insurgency-ing two whole ass countries that hated their guts.
Keep in mind the US was fighting against shepherds in those two wars, not a whole-ass military with artillery and air assets.
well yeah, but OP is saying the Russians have chosen conventional warfare over irregular for reasons of cost
I assume artillery shells are cheaper to replace than troops are to train and replace
more expensive for NATO campaign >>>> the costs of rooting out some neonazi guerillas in novorossiya. im not saying the assessment is incorrect its just incontrovertibly more expensive than counterinsurgency. the US did an occupation of afghanistan for 20 damn years without ever mobilizing significant industrial or manpower resources. Russia's already had to expand its manpower.
and unless you're game for Russian casualty figures sub-10,000 & that this won't go up for a decade i can pretty confidently assert less would've been killed occupying & fighting guerillas
Putin ordered his generals to stop to the annoyance of his own generals
until we get internal docs this is speculation. the "stop order" during fall gelb was routinely called a meddling hitler political mistake until it was revealed how stretched supplies had gotten. we really don't know though & if its just Putin's personal fault, lmao, lol even.
you're completely talking past me at someone arguing that Russia wants/ed to occupy/annex the whole of Ukraine, and it was a choice between that protracted occupation & the present war of attrition
i'm saying the Russians earnestly pursued an objective of capturing Kiev and forcing a capitulation at the early stage of the war, that they did not want a drawn-out conflict. i don't think they were interested in occupying the whole Ukraine, they'd use an occupied Kiev to dictate a cession of Crimea et-al & force them to stay out of NATO. that's a fucking 'Special Military Operation', if it'd actually worked.
My best guess at the moment (heavy emphasis on guess) is that the Russians are hoping to grind down Ukrainian and NATO resources until Ukraine collapses internally. I could easily see a civil war in Ukraine after this war ends. And they have largely already succeeded at destroying a bunch of NATO weapons/ammo reserves that NATO can't easily replace at the moment.
In the context of a military response, which is what we got, sure. There's always a non-military option, until it's too late. Information operations, propaganda, diplomacy and negotiations. The US shouldn't be allowed to be so unparalleled in these actions, inside a neighbor's borders.
I think they honestly thought Ukraine would collapse quickly. I remember in the days before the invasion that there was a ton of propaganda that was basically Russia's army is masculine, Ukraine is a they / them army or something along those lines. It is entirely possible for a countries leaders to assume that they are better than the really are at fighting.
I think it's entirely possible they really drank their own kool-aid and didn't assess the reality of what an invasion would require.
I think they had plenty of evidence of how it went in Crimea to base their estimations on, but things were pretty different both in Ukraine and internationally in 2014 compared to 2022.
Clearly the NATO training paid off. And enough Ukrainians are willing to fight.
some consensus that the US is just making things worse
Honestly not a bad truism to base all of your politics on.
It's reddit so a lot of them are in fact bots, but not all of them, though it's hard to tell the difference.
Ben and Jerry the people are kinda cool, but they sold the brand to Unilever in 2000.
Ben and Jerry's ice cream is owned by the same parent company as Axe Body Spray. Let that sink in.
If you want cancer in the rest of your body you can read some of the replies here. https://www.resetera.com/threads/ben-jerrys-cofounder-ben-cohen-has-donated-over-1-million-to-an-organisation-aimed-at-ending-military-support-for-ukraine.699058/
It-s like Maidan and the civil war / genocide never happened to these bootlickers. They do as they're told as instructed by our poltiical and media elite. Have they learned nothing from the past?
"Have they learned nothing from the past?"
No, forever and always no.
If they're campaigning against prolonging death and destruction then I'm assuming the dunking is more on :reddit-logo: ?
They haven't since 2000. But they still work there, and drive the company's commitments to causes. That was one of the key terms of the sale to Unilever.
I think they were on the BDS list until a couple years ago and they finally got on the right side of that
you can't get through to reddit if you have any opinion contrary to the US state department on this issue, or really any issue having to do with foreign policy. especially if you gasp link to non-American news websites. Your opinion will simply disappear to everyone but you. You can test it out by logging out and seeing if you can see your own post while logged out. I once sent r/dankleft mods proof of my comments not appearing to people besides me and their best suggestion was that I remove key words, and that it was out of their hands. So reddit is a fundamentally useless website for anything that isn't 100 wholesome chungus "apolitical" stuff.
