We must ban your :elmofire: treats to prevent forest fires, pollution, lung cancer, other lung damage, littering, and injury.
The power company's malfunctioning equipment that starts 80% of forest fires, the cars that produce 75% of the pollution, the cigarettes that cause 90% of the lung cancer, the COVID giving everyone lung damage, the fast food packaging and vapes that make up almost all litter are all fine though. Tragic about those 5 people per year who get a booboo from forest fire embers, though.
I will literally die on this hill. Corporate fuckers who want to destroy camping/enjoying nature are the worst scum on this shit rock. I refuse to let people who build pipelines through national parks to criticize me camping in designated areas.
I have one hobby I enjoy in this life and I will keep doing it until I'm dead.
I should be able to camp anywhere I can physically pitch a tent or fit my bivvy bag. In a national or provincial park, in the woods, on a corporate park lawn, in your walls. If I fits, I sits.
If you don't have a home, you can do it, but otherwise I would personally prefer to not have campers in my yard.
The British working class fought for and won the right to roam. Now it's time for the right to stop roaming and hit the hay.
Outdoor hexbears rise up. All I'll add is that there are absolute chuds outside who do do these things in shitty ways. Don't tend fires, don't pack out trash... Etc.
But even the worst of those rolling into camp in a lifted F5550000 don't cause a fraction the damage merely constructing a pipeline does. Much less when it inevitably bursts.
Only problem being outside is I start to :a-guy:
I wish you were joking.
Didn't they shut down the Boy Scouts a few years back? After all those kids got molested on overnight camping trips?
Big law suit, lots of money, low enrollment, still nationally stronger than the girl scouts.:amerikkka-clap:
Most of the molestation was in the eighties, kids are significantly more likely to get molested playing any sport. Or at home.
Are you...defending the Boy Scouts? You know they were founded as a fascist organization to funnel young boys into the military, right?
First off, I'll always defend against false charges. Secondarily, in the US it was mainly founded so city kids could get access to nature and outdoor skills. There was a ton of native American appropriation and jingoism too, but I can't dis the idea of getting people out having fun in nature. American public schools were founded to support factory owners, but I doubt you're against them.
Order of the Arrow was so fucking cringe, but BSA was genuinely like the best part of my childhood. Teaching kids to love nature in a sustainable way is good.
We do not talk about OA. But yeah, it was a big part of my childhood and really gave me a lot of skills I use every day. And I love going out into the woods.
They also were forced to sell a bunch of land they were conserving to porkies who are developing it now.
The real deathblow was the Mormons pulling support because they propped it up financially for a while.
Skyrim VR with the camping/survival mode mod installed
Rolling coal is the :amerikkka: version of the Stormcloak mythos
You will lug around your twenty kilogram solar heater and be happy. :sicko-surveillance:
Every year in British Columbia people breaking campfire regulations/bans cause preventable wildfires, damaging the nature we all enjoy, putting lives at risk, and diverting resources that might otherwise have gone to fighting naturally occurring wildfires.
IDK about the other arguments in this piece, but in states/provinces that are tinderboxes every summer I'm completely fine with campfire bans and I've always been able to enjoy camping without them.
The overwhelming majority of wildfires, more than 3/4, are caused by malfunctioning power infrastructure due to power companies being cheap about maintenance. The rest of human caused wildfires and forest fires are mostly caused by vehicles, with things like cigarette butts, campfires, controlled waste burns, or arson making up a comparatively tiny fraction of the causes of past fires.
It's sensible to restrict campfires outside of fire rings in droughts in sensitive areas, but ridiculous to propose that campfires should be banned or discouraged everywhere always, purely because they have a chance of doing damage somewhere sometimes.
This is the same crappy blame game thing as saying that we should ban people from taking showers in the southwest because of droughts, when the reality is that almost all of the water is going to irrigation for golf courses and extremely water intensive crops in the desert.
Where did you get that data from Washington State last year has the portion of wildfires caused by recreation/ceremony as roughly equal to that of power generation and transmission (both at roughly 7.5%) In Idaho from 1980 to 2007 Campfires were the most common human-caused source of wildfires. Even older nationwide data has smoking and campfires combined, as a greater cause of wildfires than equipment (6.7% vs 3.7%). In the Montane subregion of Alberta , campfires are the most common human cause of wildfires.
The number of wildfires caused by campfires are also suppressed by the fact that they are banned in the most fire-prone areas, take away those bans, and the count would probably increase a great deal.
I don't think campfires should be banned in areas where they pose little risk of starting a wildfire, but bans on them are not comparable to restricting showers. People need showers for basic hygiene. No camper or hiker should need to start a fire to enjoy their time outdoors, particularly when the risk of something going wrong is both entirely preventable and potentially enormous in consequences.
I was about to argue with you. Like, you're right, but I think I just found the treat I'm willing to be a treat guy about. Ngl I break fire bans every year, but I do it in clearings, build rings, put it out and only scatter ashes I can hold in my hands
They just don’t want me to living in the woods because they’re worried about the reincarnation of :a-guy:
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repurposed oil drumsdevices).Primroses and landscapes, he pointed out, have one grave defect: they are gratuitous. A love of nature keeps no factories busy. It was decided to abolish the love of nature, at any rate among the lower classes.
I didn't remember where this was from, so I looked it up. I don't care for Huxley, but this quote is on point.
Doors of Perception was a good read. Haven't checked it out again since becoming a comrade though. Was it problematic or something?
Anyone else remember the "don't throw rocks into the river" struggle session?
I mean to be fair, it was more "don't rearrange a whole segment of streambed just to participate in that particular Instagram trend"
Yeah it was a pretty exemplary instance of internet poisoning taking reasonable asks and acknowledgement of reality turning into a rhetorical arms race of taking arguments to their extremes. Don't take rocks out of the river for pictures, don't make a fire in bad conditions, but it's ok to have trail markers or throw the odd rock and to make a fire at your campsite for the night.
I only throw car batteries :stalin-approval: gotta recharge the eels in the Thames
Colorado has long fire bans. While they take away some of the fun of camping, they caused the largest fire in state history and deprived the public of 200k acres of land. It takes that forest 20 years to regenerate and during that time the ground is so destabilised that we have a greater risks of landslides, avalanches, and flash floods.
If basic stewardship rules were enforced then I'd have no problem with year-round fires in designated areas, but people are fucking trash. They throw broken bottles in makeshift fire rings next to waterways. They leave fires smouldering beneath the dead trees from the previous fire. They leave food around so that the bears have to be shot when they associate campgrounds with a meal. We have defunded the Forest Service to the point that they have two seasonal rangers here covering almost a quarter of the state, and the slack is picked up by volunteer rangers who can't stop people being actively destructive.
Bring a propane stove and shame the people whose lack of concern for public resources endangers the commons. Those forests belong to future generations.
Oh, our fire bans also ban propane stoves, I'm pretty sure (western Australia)
Ours don't include enclosed flames for some reason. You can't operate a chainsaw, smoke outside, park off-road on vegetation, or weld at the higher level restriction.
If you can't have fire or a stove how do you reconstitute your camping food?
No idea, I just assume people go camping less during fire season. It does get hot enough that you can fry eggs if you just leave your pan out in the sun though
they shouldnt be happening in drought states, that's for fucking sure. otherwise this article is stupid.
:geordi-no: Touching grass
:geordi-yes: Touching grass fires :this-is-fine:
:bugs-no:
Sitting in front of a campfire on a cold night has continuously been the most spiritual experience in my life.
