You can legally bribe your way into any university, but of course this is what's ruining the sanctity of college admissions. Insane to see the continued degradation of even the most meager social policies happen in front of our eyes with zero pushback from liberals in power.
wow, way to say you didn't read the article. Biden strongly disagreed with the decision! That's not zero pushback, I'm rating your post 5
PinochetsPinocchio's, bucko
Hack-fraud Sam "Not The Misogynist You're Looking For Dae Le Epic Star Wars Reference Amirite" Harris legally bought his own doctorate using his family's fortune to establish a bogus foundation that only existed to assign him that doctorate before it was disbanded.
Imagine caring this much about some fucking paper when you don't even need it to make a living like normal people
He wouldn't make nearly as much money without the bogus doctorate to wave around to his credulous cult.
Can't even keep the bandaid to distract from unpaid reparations or the lack of land reform.
What exactly is the plan for righting historical injustices? Well I guess we elected Obama.
Crackers whining about the 100m race being unfair when they get to start at 90 and black people aren’t even on the track
Its asian people too, im disgusted by the rich chinese i know celebrating this. God forbid your kid goes to a non elite school scumbags
Some are undoubtedly wrong on this but Asian Americans face discrimination of their own
no one is denying that, but its dishonest to not acknowledge the fact that this was only possible because of anti blackness in the asian american community. Asian americans are following the long tradition of american immigrants. Come to america, and treat black people here like subhuman garbage in order to benefit from white supremacy. every other non black community has done this to varying degrees except maybe native americans. the problem is anti black racism specifically.
One of the most disturbing ongoing demographic trends around where I live is non-black minorities expressing their hatred for black minorities to try to fit in better with white people.
How many Vincent Chins have to die before the Asian American community can take a hint?
They can try to do what every other European immigrant did in order to become white, but they will not succeed because of harsh geopolitical truths (the cold war with China and the resultant rise in Sinophobia). Going "I'm not Chinese I'm Korean" will not save them.
Going "I'm not Chinese I'm Korean" will not save them.
LOL is that a thing? It's like when Americans in Europe lie and say they're Canadian to avoid being harassed? That's hilarious.
All valid points for sure but for me personally criticizing a community that I am not part of that also faces discrimination (even if to a different degree) is just not something I’m comfortable with. I never want to give ammo or affirmation to fascists.
Sort of like how we have
thats fair, I just think we need to be able to call out anti black racism in non black poc groups if we can even begin to have our dream rainbow coalition. the wound cant heal till we take out the knife, and that first requires acknowledging the knife is there. and yes of course there is xenophobia problem in the black community but if you look the the reason (decades of anti blackness from other poc) the path to healing becomes clear. of course if you're from neither of the discussed communities feel free to defer to others.
I dont give a fuck about you if youre rich regardless of race.
I don't understand why they don't switch to zip code instead? Would basically be admissions gerrymandering at that point and we all know how that's allowed lol
Because it would mean the universities would have to openly admit that neoliberalism is a fraud
As I understand it, the University of California system (where AA was abolished via a statewide vote in 2020) has basically switched to using economic background.
and its been awful https://edsource.org/2020/dropping-affirmative-action-had-huge-impact-on-californias-public-universities/642437 especially for latinos
Yeah. The main issue being that poverty and race, while correlated, aren't perfect reflections of each other.
Add on top of that the UC system's funding woes and increased focus on out-of-state (and international) students to fill funding gaps and there you go.
conservative asian americans are such spineless lapdogs of whiteness it's disgusting
they're capable of celebrating AA getting repealed because it only indirectly benefits them, as they're too cowardly to push for a direct, maximalist solution to the academic achievement discrepancy. this aversion to actual change is partially because they want in on that juicy juicy whiteness that derives from hating blacks and partially because actually demanding something from this country implies that their delusion of a bootstraps meritocratic america no longer holds any water.
boba liberals are even less complicated, they support AA because they see the good whites doing it and monkey see monkey do
dengism was a total wash for the chinese people, these diaspora types should never have been allowed to leave
:padme: Since you disagree strongly and are president, you're going to do something, right?
:anakin:
:padme: You're going to do something, right?
Strongly
Stand back - GOP justices! Biden is going to... do nothing.
im so pissed guys. like im shaking im pissed. I knew this was coming and im still so upset.
I can't find it but I vaguely remember Biden doing a photo op during the Floyd uprisings with some black protestors who meekly shout out "save us, save us!" and he poses with them. Sure Jack, I'll save you, [save you]: guts affirmative action.
I sympathize tremendously with your sentiment. The big problem is we all have to go at once, and organizing towards that end is a death sentence particularly in the digital panopticon. So you either have to have the courage of a lion (John brown) or put your hope into liberal reform like reparations. Even that is too “radical” for mainstream liberals.
It’s hard to see a way forward. It is a massive, multifaceted beast. The great satan.
What you’ve said here and your other comment is so spot on. I’m white, and being around other white people makes me feel like I’m losing my mind. Because everything you said is so true. So many white folks have such hatred of blacks folks. But if you dare highlight these facts around white people holy shit, will they get mad. It’s like, we all know how racist white folks in this country are but since white folks are rarely so explicit about it, it creates this layer of plausible deniability in them. If you polled white America and you could guarantee the results would be secret, 0.1% would admit to being racist, even though we know racism is way more pervasive than that.
The only way i see for the United States to cleanse itself of its historical injustice right now, the only way I'd see it's constitutional order as anything other than built on the need to maintain anti-blackness for peace, is if it finally denied that peace and renewed reconstruction.
Nah, there will never be justice on stolen land. The whole place has gotta go.
I've been trying to encourage the black students in my classes to try to get into college (with as many grants as I can possibly turn them towards; I can't in good conscience recommend most student loans) and I think a lot of them, next semester, are going to be able to correctly point at this current event and say "why bother?"
you're right im feeling the same way about grad school. thanks for being a teacher who cares.
I wish I could do more than care. I've considered outright lying to some students about their chances and prospects in the hopes they beat the odds, but the best I can do is put the most positive framing I can on a bleak situation. "Yeah, it sucks and the odds are stacked against you, but..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_95eB4V2Jg
it really fucking does, we have had states do this and its the same story every time, black, hispanic and native american admissions plummet and asian and white admission rise. https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/06/29/affirmative-action-banned-what-happens/
Articles paywalled but I’m really curious if they do any investigation into what percentage of affirmative action admissions are actually americans and not international students. I’ve heard that as a damning critique of AA from other leftists that because the rules are purely race based schools have been using it to target wealthy immigrant students rather than actually letting in the institutionally disenfranchised black americans it’s meant to help
“ International students and students with unknown race/ethnicity in the data are not included in totals." and i agree AA needs to be fixed but it undoubtedly benefited black students. the the university of michigan black admissions were nearly halved when affirmative action was removed
The people celebrating this are still going to find an excuse for why the black guy got in and not them. I remember when I lived in the US and got accused of getting into certain schools because I'm non-white when the people complaining had the personality of dried paint and nothing but academics to show.
The people celebrating this are still going to find an excuse for why the black guy got in and not them
yes, but my understanding of the law is that this ruling gives you the legal right to sew their mouth shut if they start whining about it
so there's a silver lining at least
Copied from another thread: No strong opinions on this either way
Affirmative action is a liberal band-aid on the real issues inflicting American students and only offers palatable optics instead of fixing systemic issues
Applying a flat score boost to incoming applicants don't help those that are the most exploited. Poor Hispanic and Black students from dysfunctional neighborhoods and schools aren't going to benefit from a flat boost with their low grades, assuming they even graduate in the first place
So who does this benefit the most? According to research that you can look up yourself, it's white women and wealthy Hispanic and Black students
For students that had to work jobs and help support their families instead of studying or participating in extra curriculars, the students that went to an extremely underfunded school, they never had a chance in the first place and affirmative action does nothing to change this
If they really wanted to help poor Hispanic and Black students, the solution is once again a class one. Fix poor neighborhoods and put more funding into schools with underachieving students. Elevate families to a healthy economic state so that all kids can have time to study and learn
yes, benefits white women the most but you cant argue that it doesn't help working class black people. some university HALVED their black student pop. do you really think that was all rich kids? it was never anything but table scraps and yet its the most this country has given us. universities are expected to return to 1960s levels of black students. seriously this is going to be horrible for hundreds of thousands of black people. please try to have empathy. just because we look like a few percentage points on a graph doesn't mean we dont feel this shit.
Shit I had no idea some universities suffered that big a drop of enrollment rates, my bad
This seriously sucks then
no worries comrade, it is a complex issue. sorry for being a bit too emotional in my response. this is just a bad day.
You're good, it's also my fault for not being very knowledgeable about this, sorry
I also never went to school in America so I never got a ground level view of the issue either
seriously this is going to be horrible for hundreds of thousands of black people. please try to have empathy. just because we look like a few percentage points on a graph doesn't mean we dont feel this shit.
My black students are going to be more depressed than usual next semester and I think I know why already.
Fix poor neighborhoods and put more funding into schools with underachieving students
I believe we have a "yes and" situation here. Like yes undoubtedly fix systemic problems at the roots before they become intractable, but also address them wherever you can in the meantime. As /u/Othello pointed out, AA does benefit black people, even if you can very easily point out that it's not enough.
Of course Harvard and other elite academies will never admit low-class nobodies. That's the whole point of having an elite system! It's a comfort thing. Like attracts like. Harvardites would feel weird and uncomfortable around us. They enjoy the feeling of being around their own kind.
At least shit like this would never happen in South Africa. You try overturn BEE (black economic empowerment) and you immediately become a fringe right wing party that struggles to get 20% of the vote outside of Cape Town.
But judges are nonpolitical and their interpretations of the law are supposed to exist in a magical land without political agendas
Because defending RFK from accusations of crankery is more important?
no red brown alliance fuck off chud