(can't post link currently as their site is down again lol)
Not only did they not differentiate gender between cis and trans, it also came out that they're like 80% white and they instantly got into a struggle session because the admin said that number was "unfortunate" can't make this shit up lmao
do you think hexbear ISNT 80% white? like I love yall (most of yall), but yall are uh not always normal about black people, nor do yall tend to have any sensitivity about it. Like do we not remember the kobe bryant stuff? a bunch of black users left the sub, I did too but I came back to you idiots (lovingly). but yeah I would never recommend hexbear to my black irl friends because yall would embarrass me.
edit: oh look someone trying to start the kobe discourse again, im not even gonna debate you this convo is so overplayed, write about it in your diary.
iirc we had a survey ages ago and it was like 90% white or more, so yeah this thread is absolutely pot/kettle territory
hey there's enough of yall chill mayos that i came back! so I think we could improve as a site definitely. LIke i remember a bunch of users dismissing the importance of affirmative action (annoying) , but they changed their minds when I explained its impact. I really felt heard and thats why I like stick around.
There was the Kobe stuff, which was very insensitive but can be chalked up to Reddit style edgelord behaviour
The time people chased off someone that did actual real world groundwork, like organising their neighbourhood, by calling her a black nationalist was just straight up unacceptable to be honest. Can't remember weather it happened on Reddit or here.
oh shit I dont remember that but I cant say im surprised.
It's really obvious because whenever race comes up, Hexbear acts so fucking weird about it. It's also why I haven't left Twitter even under the Musk regime. On Twitter, you can at least see people's faces and curate a TL where no one there is white, but everywhere else on the Anglophonic Internet, including here, will be super majority white on top of many alleged nonwhite accounts being some white person behind it a la /r/asablackman. White people fake being Indigenous to the point where actual Indigenous people have to coin a term for it called pretendian and they do the same for other ethnic groups, especially for Black people as a form of digital blackface.
The only solution to the mayo problem is to either use social media where self-doxxing your face is completely normalized like Twitter or learn another language that white people don't really speak (Chinese, Hindi, Arabic, Vietnamese) and use social media of that language.
A lot of US latinos are pretendians too. Ask them to list a tribe and you'll get a vague "Aztec" or "Mayan." Maybe Nahual for the more educated ones.
This site does have a pretty strong white slant, but the anglosphere internet as an entirety does. There's been an uptick in Indian, African, and Caribbean voices; but it still gets drowned out by majority white voices. I personally go back and forth between here and Spanish social media pages, but it's not like the issue doesn't exist in Spanish spaces either. You'll still get plenty of white Latin Americans and Euros whining about stupid shit.
I used to be friends with this white puerto rican girl. she was awful for many many reasons , but one of them was that she only identified as taino like if you called her white she would get upset and say she was indigenous. I would ask her things about taino culture at first until I realized she literally knew less than nothing except this weird noble savage fantasy. Also this girl was as white as the driven snow and would constantly complain about how brown hispanics treated her so badly for being "Light skinned".
im learning spanish! but yeah theres not a great solution. we could write our usernames on our arms like the black twitter sub lol (jk...but am i?)
Lmao if everyone did this and put it on their wallpapers. Itd be like when the warren staffers put their campaign numbers on their arms
English internet is good for one thing: to practice English language.
Fuck whites.
Yeah that's what I thought when reading the title lol
As much as you guys want to sweep it under the rug, hexbear was created after the subreddit got banned. We're still roughly the same demographic as reddit
Way worse imo was when DMX died, many users were sad about it, and some people were like "uh, didn't he have some homophobic lyrics??"
I think they may have done the same with Doom, but Fantano told them Doom was good (and he is, but you shouldn't need Fantano to tell you that).
dude I remember that, that was pretty bad. imagine seeing someone be sad and NEEDING to pop in with the "um actually a rapper from the 90s was homophobic so you being sad is wrong".
What happened with the Kobe stuff? Not trying to rehash anything, but I joined up here later on and would like to know what happened in this community if it did turn away a bunch of black users.
Anyone feel free to DM instead if you don't want to potentially start up a new discussion on this if it's a problematic subject
Recommending white people in general to your black friends is usually a bad idea
yeah.... back when I still had white friends was determined to never them them meet my other friends.
I think it's gotten better since the subreddit (and I hope it continues to), the tides have definitely shifted a bit. Lowkey feel like your comment calling out insensitivity would've been either ignored or downvoted back then.
I remember a few years back, someone on the sub was massively downvoted and attacked for saying you can't be racist against white people for a mayocide joke, in the same way you can't be heterophobic or cisphobic. On hexbear? Definitely less white fragility but it's still here
Anyways, what I like about this community is I think most people are more willing to listen to POC voices than in other white dominated spaces. But it also seems like race issues aren't talked about even 5% as much as class issues are, and when they are, it's usually approached very vaguely. Being a good ally takes learning and listening
"I think it's gotten better since the subreddit (and I hope it continues to), the tides have definitely shifted a bit. Lowkey feel like your comment calling out insensitivity would've been either ignored or downvoted back then."
oh 100% ive been told im over sensitive so many times on the old sub by edgelords. I wish i could give everyone homework lol.
also, little off topic, but ever since the sub I always assumed most posters were straight white millennial american men... and the white millennial part is obv still true, but if there's one thing I'm glad to have learned it's that we're super diverse in terms of gender/sexuality. probably a big reason I like this a lot more than any other leftist space, but I really wish the diversity extended to race too. most of you are really cool tho, the pros outweigh the cons for sure
Like do we not remember the kobe bryant stuff?
Are you suggesting it's a bad thing that people who idolize a sexual abuser were made to feel uncomfortable here? And that it means we're racist?
it also came out that they're like 80% white and they instantly got into a struggle session because the admin said that number was "unfortunate" can't make this shit up lmao
Honestly hexbear is probably not much better on this front
Unfortunately, we drove off a lot of PoC users before we could have a proper reckoning on that. I think most of us would acknowledge that the site skews extremely white and western and is a shittier experience for some people as a result. That doesn’t mean a few folks won’t lose their shit at the mention of the topic, though.
Not being immediately treated like an uncivilized savage who doesn't know what he's talking about if I reveal i'm PoC puts Hexbear above 95% of forums i've visited. Folks might think it's veiled with it being text over the internet but you can very quickly tell someone's demeanor change to talking down to you which rarely happens on here tbh.
I was taught by my woke public school CRT education to be properly ashamed of my whiteness.
Can I have more context about driving off the PoC? I'm new to Chapo chat
Also, this is a very low bar but this place feels significantly less white than r/trueanon
if your a non white q anon fan im giving you side eye /jk
I went to the trueanon live show. I am white. I am a fan. But I have never been to a place that has more white people in it. I was uncomfortable, actually.
the latter part where they have a struggle session over it we might be, but yah, a website descended from an english language
sub will likely have that.Our wreckers used to complain all the time about the admins being anti-white. Gotta love it.
this has to be bardfinn or something, holy shit literally no one else is contributing or upvoting at all
I'm a kkkrakkker myself, but I come to places like Lemmygrad and Hexbear to get away from being surrounded by kkkrakkkers at all times in meatspace.
They also didn't differentiate between lesbians and gays, just had a "homosexual" category.
They also grouped all non white people in one category on the survey
Pick one of the following to describe yourself:
[Normal]
[Dark]
[Gay]
AMOLED mode checks out for me lol, I'm bi and as a tech nerd like AMOLED screens and themes with a true black mode. Unfortunately I only have a phone with an AMOLED screen, the monitors and TVs are way too expensive.
meanwhile, hexbear survey results be like:
Male: 7%
Female: 8%
Non-Binary: 2%
Unclean Avian: 54%
Bit Account: 28%
Other: 1%
Not surprised. Their requirement tactic was just shitting on Lemmygrad, originally.
Elitist circlejerk mod team, nebulous rules, it's full of
s and 
s. Some even suspect it might be 
instance.lol yeah, it was and still is exactly the same as sopuli and other lib instances that have popped up since then, absolutely nothing distinguishes them from one another even after they tried some word salad to explain their philosophy and what they "want" the place to be.
Back when we did a survey after the move from Reddit, there were more trans women than cis women on hexbear/chapo.chat lmao
This has been brought up before and a few regulars have piped up. There are, indeed, cis women on the internet. /lh
would love to see us conduct a census as well
We should not encourage people to give out personal information. It's a dox risk.
Anonymized aggregated poll data is perfectly fine
Like sure, you'll be inputting your age, gender, race, into a Google form or something but like, who here doesn't already have their entire life including their full name already tracked by Google?
Please don't use more Google stuff. There are plenty of FOSS forms that would work well
You're definitely right, I've just personally given up on any digital privacy and data sovereignty cause my life has already been far to entrenched in Google and Meta services. decoupling is almost impossible
De googling is hard, try going in small steps, replacing 1 service at a time.
Biggest thing stopping me is that I want a reliable, redundant, highly available and durable cloud storage for my documents
I considered setting up a home server once but I don't have experience setting up any servers or infrastructure from scratch myself and I'm not sure if I wanna spend hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars doing it
Nextcloud is good, if money is your biggest concern you could use a VPS & be paranoid about encryption.
Literally just clicking a google docs link at all is a dox risk. Every time you view a google doc while logged in it shows your user account having accessed the file, which exposes name on the account.
google forms doesn't do that by default afaik, but yeah. best to just avoid google altogether
Yeah back in the chapo.chat early days before people wised up I dm'ed multiple people to warn them that I could see their real names when they posted Google photo galleries and documents.
Its been a method of petty doxxing in gaming communities for years and years it's really irritating tbh. Gotta be real careful about google docs links while logged in, I always open them incognito for this reason just to be certain I'm not accidentally logged in.
Edit: on sec thoughts, I shouldn't have say that. I didn't mean to be transphobic on this running gag.
Targeting an audience will attract that audience. Not that I really get to judge, being a
myself.
american wrecker shit
best advice for leftists is not to copy the issues of the country with the worst left in the world
classic beehaw. also they released this awhile ago why are you so late to posting this critical, smh my head you're falling behind on the liberal dunking
we are also crackers
but they are cringe crackers
end of struggle session
If the website mostly appeals to Americans wouldn't it just track that the majority of users are white just like how the majority of the nation is? Is that a particularly surprising finding? How is it unfortunate?
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The US isn't 80% white.
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Zoomer/millennial aged people from the US who aren't frothing Christofascists definitely aren't 80% white.
right?! millenials the main age demographic here are 50% white. there is no excuse for hexbears 90% whiteness.
Well we came from Reddit
, which when outside of specific country or ethnicity/race subreddits, Reddit is like 110% white with a 10% margin of error or something like that lol. And we haven't done any specific user outreach, and the last few user outreach programs have not gone well.Maybe with federation we can bring in more users from different backgrounds, but most Lemmy users are also Reddit refugees so I dunno.
"Hello, I would like this website to federate with another website please"
Said no non-white person ever.
They have played us for absolute fools.
- WEB FORUMS WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FEDERATED
- YEARS OF POSTING yet NO REAL-WORLD USE FOUND for FEDERATING
- Wanted post on more than one forum, as a laugh? We had a tool for that: It was called "LOGGING INTO ANOTHER FORUM"
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yeah i dont have high hopes for federating increasing poc users. what happened with the last outreach attempt? maybe we should try making official hexbear accounts on insta and tumblr that share memes to get people in? just an idea but maybe there is no solution until the nature of this website changes and we keep the edgelords in line.
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The US is 60% white. I've always found the less than 50 percent to be dubious because they always put "hispanic/latino" as a separate race.
The demographics results page is working.
https://docs.beehaw.org/docs/demographics/ (archive)The discussion post is down on beehaw but can see it from federated instances including one on the tentative hexbear allowlist, possum patio.
https://possumpat.io/post/150717prefer not to answer should not be an option, its ruining my nice data.
