https://x.com/babadookspinoza/status/1802442068125516148

  • VHS [he/him]
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    3 months ago

    If you actually look at the links, they don't even contend with the fact that IOF helicopters targeted civilians, they just say that a particular video of an AH-64 Apache that was circulating wasn't filmed on the 7th.

    • SacredExcrement [any, comrade/them]
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      3 months ago

      Israel's Hannibal Doctrine, coupled with that pilot testimony/audio that made the rounds back when this started should have made that abundantly clear

      Then they cut up many of the vehicles pictured and buried them to make it even more obvious

    • Chump [he/him]
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      3 months ago

      That shit is driving me absolutely bonkers right now. None of them even use that particular triggering image in their fact checks either

  • Dolores [love/loves]
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    3 months ago

    so fully debiunked we buried the evidence and screech appeals to the propaganda apparatus anytime someone brings it up thinking-about-it

    im not even confident i know what "obvious airforce strike" should look like but the effort to cover it up raises my eyebrows

    • egg1918 [she/her]
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      3 months ago

      Well which is more likely, that in a few hours hundreds of cars were burned by dudes with AK47s and RPGs (that were somehow also committing all the made up sexual assault at the same time) or that hundreds of cars were blown the fuck up by helicopter gunships with 30mm high explosive auto cannons and Hellfire anti tank missiles?

      • Dessa [she/her]
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        3 months ago

        Liberals dismiss occms razor at their convenience. I remember when Nord Stream 2 blew up, I pointed out that that America announced an intent to bomb it then were spotted nearby with military divers a few weeks prior to the explosion. The simplest explanation was that the US did it.

        This makes liberals incredibly angry, and they insist that Putin did it despite it being counterproductive because reasons.

        This will go no differently. The narrative has been established and will not be disrupted.

        • LaGG_3 [he/him, comrade/them]
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          3 months ago

          the-boys-are-back-in-town Link drops his glider to bullet time no scope bomb arrows at all the cars then pulls the glider back out

      • Dolores [love/loves]
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        3 months ago

        look i dont even know the over-under on cars exploding when on fire, i'm not gonna speak as if its obvious to me, the surrounding context and reportage is more compelling

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      3 months ago

      Literally buried the cars. That one blew my mind.

    • NewLeaf
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      3 months ago

      Seriously. This is the only site that I log into and I plan on keeping it that way.

  • Adkml [he/him]
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    3 months ago

    Once again feeling vindicated for calling g this was going to get turned into the modern day snopes that's basically just "correcting the record" and then depressed because once again being correct about what was about to happen because you're capable of material analysis isn't actually worth anything.

  • Tabitha ☢️[she/her]
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    3 months ago

    I wonder if you could engineer an unrelated image to have the same md5 or perceptual hash and get it to auto-debunk.

    • TrudeauCastroson [he/him]
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      3 months ago

      If you have access to a quantum computer you could do this easily. With current computing it's hard.

      • git [he/him, comrade/them]
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        3 months ago

        This was a form of attack against Apple's on-device CSAM detection that they scrapped, so it's been possible for a while.

        • Neural hash collider: https://github.com/anishathalye/neural-hash-collider
        • Example collision: https://github.com/AsuharietYgvar/AppleNeuralHash2ONNX/issues/1
        • Script to generate collisions: https://gist.github.com/unrealwill/c480371c3a4bf3abb29856c29197c0be
        • Tainting the client side CSAM database: https://blog.xot.nl/2023/10/11/tainting-the-csam-client-side-scanning-database/index.html
        • TrudeauCastroson [he/him]
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          3 months ago

          Edit: wow I didn't realize md5 matching a picture was that easy, looks like you can make any image look enough like that twitter-deboonked one to generate a fake match. How has no one done this yet.

          Thanks for the links, it's pretty interesting stuff I haven't kept up with for a while.

          I didn't hear about that potential apple attack, I wonder if you could generate a collision with a pic that looks close enough to the twitter image they auto-deboonk and a pic that's completely unrelated, got twitter to add your new similar image to the auto-deboonker, and then troll on twitter by posting the unrelated image.

          That'd be similar to that apple attack you linked, but it depends on how twitter auto-deboonking works and how easy you could get them to add a similar-but-different pic to their deboonker database.

        • TrudeauCastroson [he/him]
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          3 months ago

          I thought md5 is vulnerable to generating 2 colliding files, not to trying to generate a match to an existing file.

          • bloubz@lemmygrad.ml
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            3 months ago

            It's definitely the easiest. But that's why we stopped using it, because it's proven we can have collision so it may be possible to generate a match on a real life file. I'm not sure about where we're at on this in research (if there's any)

            Also I was actually not trying to make a point, just pointing on md5 as a joke

            • TrudeauCastroson [he/him]
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              3 months ago

              If you're using any hash smaller than your file (not just md5), then it's always possible to have 2 different files that match. This is just from pigeonhole principle. No matter what you use there will be collision.

              md5 is just bad because it's small so it's easier to generate this match. It's also a question of how easy is it to reverse engineer a match, which apparently md5 is worse for on pictures than I expected.

  • NewAcctWhoDis [any]
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    3 months ago

    I assumed it was a theory that the notes were automated, but I guess it's explicit

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  • Tabitha ☢️[she/her]
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    3 months ago

    Any good yt vids that explain whatever the alleged bombing is from the beginning?

    • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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      3 months ago

      It’s the parking lot of the music festival that got attacked on October 7th. It shows massive explosive damage that is obviously from air power because the Israelis panicked and started blowing up their own civilians

    • culpritus [any]
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      3 months ago

      This effort post has a lot of links and videos related to the various incidents of Hannibal Directive on Oct 7th: https://hexbear.net/post/1609134