https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/01/us/politics/us-bases-alert-level-russia.html
https://archive.ph/laVgN
Even the US' intelligence apparatus is a bunch of Putin shills now
But seriously, no shit lmao. Did libs really think Putin was gonna try and pull an Ögedei Khan and try to take Europe?
They literally think the Russian brainpan is incapable of comprehending democracy due to them assimilating Mongolo-Asiatic authoritarianism genes in the time they were under Mongol rule so probably, yeah.
I heard literal this take ex cathedra in university in Poland. 30 years ago.
Damn. I haven't heard this one in uni but I had a professor who was casually peddling Spengler and some other sus figures.
Missed all the fun being out for the evening. I just want to inform you that I am not even exaggerating for comedic purposes that much, here is a random video found by typing "mongol influence on russian culture" on google and clicking the video tab. It features bangers such as "It has been several hundred years in their genetic inheritance that authoritarianism is the only solution".
https://youtu.be/5F45i0v_u6s?t=234
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Lol, this guy's entire post history is just him popping into random Hexbear threads to tell us how stupid he thinks we are and then refusing to engage anyone because he thinks we're too stupid for it to be worth his time. A very serious intellectual.
Have you read the comments in here? Lmao where do you guys come up with this nonsense?
be specific
if you're referring to the specific thing about Asians (and Russians in particular) having some inherent desire for authoritarian figures, I have personally seen this idea in the book Everything Flows by Vasily Grossman.
Oh, man, I hate Vasily Grossman. Life and Fate is on my shortlist for most overhyped book ever.
I actually kinda liked Everything Flows, the first half at least. The second half descends very quickly into incoherent anti-Russian/Soviet rants but the vignette about the Old Bolshevik being sent to the labor camp was very moving.
That one is a lot shorter so maybe I'll give it a shot when I'm in a forgiving mood or want to add to my unwritten essay about how annoying it is that only "dissident" literature gets translated.
Replying to a comment is not specific enough an example for you? Do you think I'm referring to a random comment in a different post or something?
Okay, so what about the comment do you take issue with? Do you not believe it is a widely-disseminated idea in the west that Russians & Asians are inherently predisposed toward authoritarianism?
are you going to keep doing the posturing "heh... you really believe that?" thing without any followup or are you going to admit your understanding is a rickety piece of shit that would fall over if somebody breathed on it?
I'm just sitting here having a good time laughing at all of you
Well we're getting a good laugh out of you.
So glad everyone is having such a good time!
if you're referring to the specific thing about Asians (and Russians in particular) having some inherent desire for authoritarian figures, I have personally seen this idea in the book Everything Flows by Vasily Grossman.
Is this a good enough reply? Why not engage with that part of their comment?
Like you’ve never heard a harebrained pundit draw a line through the tsars, the evil Soviets, and Putin to conclude “these people simply can not know our enlightened values”
Could you be more specific? Our asiatic brainpans don't handle vague, nonspecific insults well.
Don't be vague.
Air your specific objections so we can respond to them or get ready to get pig-poop-balled.
Are you intentionally being obtuse to avoid having to debate us? I made another comment with a specific example of what we're talking about, go respond to that.
Was that the oink oink comment, or was that someone else? All you guys devolve into the same responses so quickly it's hard to care.
Nah it's this
Also you opened with calling us "delusional" and not making any real argument. So it's weird you expected us to engage with total civility when you opened hostilely. But that's a double standard I kind of expect from Libs.
Oh there it is! The old fallback. Love it. Got any other catch phrases ready to over use?
What fallback? "Don't act like an asshole and then complain about how uncivil people are in response"?
Yeah that's a real ridiculous "fallback" there.
Got any other catch phrases ready to over use?
Death to america and all dogs of the US empire
Have you read the comments on
?It got so bad the mods banned using 'Orcs' as the term to refer to Russians with in the early days of the war. And many redditors cried about that.
We can argue the semantics of what exact type of dehumanizing language was used, but the overarching point remains.
Why in the world would I poison my eyes by going to that sub? Or even reddit at all.
Then what's your complaint here, exactly? People are shitposting and being somewhat hyperbolic, but a lot of liberals have considered Russians subhuman morons since at least the beginning of this war
Oh "it was a joke, bro" is used when being called out as ridiculous here? Ok then.
No one thinks anyone is subhuman, except you guys saying it about anyone you don't like.
What does Stormfront have to do with anything?
What are you on about?
People here are commenting that many liberals thought Russia was going to invade Europe, and that libs have considered Russians 'orcs' and generally stupid subhumans, that is where reddit comes in as it serves as a decent aggregate of liberal opinion.
No one thinks anyone is subhuman, except you guys saying it about anyone you don't like.
Reddit literally banned the term 'Orc' in early 2022 because Ukraine used it to refer to Russians and Redditors eagerly adopted it; you can also see how they've tried to subvert it in there and who knows how many other threads. Like this one.
It got used so much it literally has a 'slang' page on wikipedia.
Russia invading Europe was literally the position of much of NATO at the start, and they continue to just toss out ideas about it.
A Reddit link was detected in your comment. Here are links to the same location on alternative frontends that protect your privacy.
No one thinks anyone is subhuman
Would you say Florence Gaub's statements suggest she sees Russians as less human?
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
I didn't realize that person was here on lemmy. And no I'm not going to watch a random YouTube video, thanks.
Why would I do that? I'd have to remove them from your mums ass first.
your mums ass first.
Pictured: what he was actually fingering.
spoiler
Starting shit on an obscure communist web forum is peak chad.
It's not random, it's a news interview with the Director of the Research Division at the NATO Defense College.
"brainpan" is a clear marker of making jokes about phrenology and race science ideology. Obviously no one is seriously explaining behavior in terms of brainpans in the modern day, but the argument goes that there is very little substantial difference between that and modern styles of "othering" used by modern definitely-not-fascists.
Why would you need to go to reddit when you could just browse your own post history
Because they know they can't get hit. These "Ban me! Ban me!" Libs are all the same. Pathetic losers who want to start fights, but too wimpy to finish them.
There's people here actually trying to engage you with examples and arguments but you're still just bitching that they asked you to provide more specific objections.
Lol yes you guys are well known for being exceptional debaters lmao
I mean, feel free to try and own us in a debate if your so confident about our lack of skills
at least attempt a specific criticism instead of just being vaguely contrarian it's annoying
Is that a good enough example for you, Di Vinci?
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
please give us your answer for who you think is responsible for the NordStream 2 bombing so we can laugh at it
What do you think of (random event you could care less about)?
Random event? It was one of the most significant events of the war you dumbfuck.
Wars are not fought over resources and land, they're fought over principles and ideas. Therefore, the NordStream 2 bombing is irrelevant.
Careful, we've got lemmitors in this thread, the (in my opinion pretty obvious) irony of your comment might be lost on them
If the 19th century taught us anything it's that the idea is the most important development humanity has achieved.
I don't see why anyone is even bothering engaging this person with good faith. They're just "trolling" the same way people did back decades ago. Adding "lol" or "lmao" on to everything to pretend they're not upset, not reading anything, calling everyone stupid no matter what is said, always saying "I'm sitting here laughing at you" to again pretend they're not upset. They all ended up being incels and I wouldn't be surprised if this is no different
Look at that username, 100% chance this person is either an incel, or an edgy teenager who will become an incel.
Hello I'm a fellow
good germanliberal and I don't want to be infected with commie nonsense, can you point out the nonsense please so I can avoid it?
just ban these delusional trashlib already, after countless attempts at engagement all this idiot has ever done is smugly laugh and pretend he's smarter than everyone else.
I particularly love the fact that libs simultaneously believe that Russia is on a brink of collapse and about to roll over Europe as soon as it's done with Ukraine. They see no contradiction there.
Did libs really think Putin was gonna try and pull an Ögedei Khan and try to take Europe?
Yes. You should see the bullshit the European media keeps shoveling.
I barely even read any Polish media since 2022, they went into high gear of being unbearable and keeps at it ever since.
It's completely identical under PO. Russophobia is universal in Polish public spaces.
Being elevated by the USSR and the People's Republic really made their fascists mald didn't it?
Yes, we got propelled to modernity by socialism and they will never forgive it for that.
Well I'm malding over 1989 and the round table... Jesus I'll fucking never forgive them for what they've done to NFZ and well, the entire country...
NFZ is shit by design, a more responsible version of catastrophic Kasy Chorych which only puprose was to crash and privatize healthcare. We should just return to direct budget financing. Same with retirement funds. May the buzek govt rot in hell, the 4 reforms were almost as catastrophic as the transformation itself.
Did libs really think Putin was gonna try and pull an Ögedei Khan and try to take Europe?
They did unironically think that, yes.
Did libs really think Putin was gonna try and pull an Ögedei Khan and try to take Europe
they definitely do here in europe
in February of 2022 Biden said that he was trying to reestablish the Soviet Union.
He has also said that he is proud to have been the first black woman to serve with a black president.
In general, I would not associate Biden with the word 'intelligence'.
And yeah, no, if Putin was trying to reestablish the USSR, he would be much better than he is. An anti-colonial power that massively improves its people's lives? Sign me up.
I wasn't referring to his commentary on intelligence, I was referring to his commentary on "the libs"
Considering that Biden is a lib, your reply, at best, supports the comment that you were replying to.
Furthermore, you seem to think that this point about Biden somehow contradicts the fact that 'NY Times just casually dropped that the official U.S. intelligence assessment has always been that Putin didn't want to expand the Ukraine conflict beyond Ukraine'
I didn't comment on the post to refute it, I replied to a comment to refute the comment. that's how threads work. anyway
comment: "Did libs really think Putin was gonna try and pull an Ögedei Khan and try to take Europe?"
me: this lib certainly said he thought so.
that's how conversations work.
He also said he'd seen photographic proof that Hamas had decapitated 40 babies.
He also said he would cure cancer, I am not joking.
this lib certainly said he thought so.
Most of us are pretty skeptical he actually did think so, especially considering a lot of experts in his circle have said things that contradict it. Case in point: the article being discussed.
I didn't comment on the post to refute it, I replied to a comment to refute the comment
And all you did is support - not refute - the comment. Just as I said here:
Considering that Biden is a lib, your reply, at best, supports the comment that you were replying to
comment: "Did libs really think Putin was gonna try and pull an Ögedei Khan and try to take Europe?"
me: this lib certainly said he thought so.Case in point.
Haha. It's nice that you recognise how much you embarrassed yourself.
He also managed to mumble this out during the debate a week ago, too. However, we can't be sure Biden even knows what year it is, so it's unclear if he still believes this hilarious lie or if he thinks it's 2022.
Ögedei didn't even tried to take Europe, it was a really big scout party which casually obliterated every army they encountered, arrived at Hungary, seen the pushta and considered staying because it reminded them of home and then went back because khan died and new one had to be elected. In the meantime collective Europe was thrown into a state of abject terror not known since Attila the Hun. But of course as soon as it passed, islamophobia kicked in, they started to blabber about Prester John and tried to use Mongols against muslims.
Still not as embarrassing as
admitting the Minsk agreements were all just to buy time for Ukraine.The original narratives about Ukraine no longer matter, the only thing left in the collective consciousness is Ukraine is a democracy therefore the war is about "western values". The good thing is since then even a good part liberals don't care about that anymore, its impossible to manufacture a narrative that Ukraine is winning right now, at best they "resisting" evil Putler and Zelensky does nothing but beg for more aid.
The Western media's admission of the deceitful nature of their narrative exposed liberals, who mindlessly parrot the same talking points despite the revelations, as nothing more than gullible buffoons.
I don't think liberals could have had a worse week. The cracks in their dome are apparent and aren't going away. Some people are checking out, some people are saying "enough" to the constant stream of bullshit right to their faces. /R/politics is a hoot right now.
But do they change anything about their approach? Of course not.
I expect that at some point the whole house of cards is going to come crashing down.
i might have thought so a few years back but now i feel like there is no end to their ability to mental contortion and gymnastics
I mean, for them to stop believing in their ideology, they'd have to find something else to believe in. What would that even be? Most of them are probably innoculated against ideas left of Mussolini due to the constant government programming happening on reddit, so they'd either become anarchobidenists and believe 95% of the same things by saying to themselves "anarchism is when you hate authoritarian governments (read: governments who are resistant to being totally rolled over by American monopolies) and love western democracies. who the fuck is kropotkin? gelderloos? I'm listening to a 3 hour video essay by a breadtuber"
or, I guess, they'd turn even further conservative and/or libertarian and start frothing at the mouth about the federal reserve and age of consent laws
In my observations on Libs, I think the biggest challenge for them is that they fundamentally trust the institutions that govern our society. In order to believe in something else, they would have to break that trust on a fundamental level. But that trust underpins their entire worldview, so in doing so they would not only have to fundamentally alter their core values, but also in doing to have to admit that they have been wrong about everything their entire lives. That's a pretty tall order.
I'd argue that mainstream libs represent the segment of the population that still hasn't been significantly affected materially. They still have their jobs, they can pay their bills, and there really hasn't been any dramatic change in their lifestyle. They also tend to stay in their bubble avoiding interaction with people who are struggling. This segment of the population is rapidly shrinking though, and we can see them starting to freaking out that their voices are increasingly challenged nowadays. It's a huge shock for them that their narrative can't spread unchallenged.
They're gonna continue to childishly point fingers at everyone else. "All the mistakes I have made and continue to make are because of the chyna-ruzzia-woke-tankie-bots"
No, it was always this way. We always knew this. The way the government is admitting things are is the same as what they've been saying all along. Your left-wing views always make you say paranoid stuff like this. This is not an unexpected departure from the official line. The only people who were trying to scare us about how Europe could be invaded next were misinformed marginal figures, not the actual authority figures who always had a reassuring firm grip and level gaze toward reality. If it were really a big change then someone would make a big deal about it, and I don't see anybody making a fuss.
lol who told you that
"He has much larger ambitions than Ukraine. He wants to, in fact, reestablish the former Soviet Union. That's what this is about." -President Joe Biden, February 24, 2022.
he trotted this out at the disastrous debate last week too. blows my mind the kind of bullshit people can tolerate
this isn't even about tolerating, this guy just completely made this claim up that no Democratic leader claimed Putin wanted to go beyond ukraine. and people just upvoted them without even looking at it
Okay you're having a lot of trouble so I will help you out here: my initial comment was sarcasm or parody or whatever you want to call it.
god you guys are morons, no surprise though i remember you getting dunked on like 6 days ago Pit Hag titties
It's still in the modlog and pretty funny. The "nice try kid" is some peak Reddit speak.
nice try https://lemm.ee/pictrs/image/093b1a2b-06ca-4670-af72-2a46bac73167.png
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Those are two different comments you disingenuous toad.
You might want to check out the hidden gem eighteen fourty nine by JoJo Joestar.
Reminds me of the Bush defenders who pretended his administration never said Saddam had a hand in Sept. 11.
I wish I could be amused my lemmy liberals taking this seriously
The shit about world conqueror Putin reached my, decidedly non American lib parents. This shit is bananas
If you use an ounce of critical thinking it was always clear NATO wants a war with Russia, not the other way around.
To be fair, if you use an ounce of critical thinking then you stop being a liberal.
Yeah, no shit. These pathetic
vassals don’t care though, they’ll keep throwing money down the pit of “increased defense spending because NATO wants it”.Is that how you read it? In my head their username is "Yog-... Is that even an o? y- ahhh fuck it, the cosmonaut"
I thought they were letters from another alphabet or something, had no idea they were just another font.
It's the thing where similar-looking letters are taken from other alphabets to make fancy looking letters. The not-O there is a Greek letter, for example, specifically I think it's lowercase Sigma.
Ironically, given Yog is a Russophone and people do this with Cyrillic all the time, much to the chagrin of those who can read Cyrillic.
A very mean, and sometimes fun, trick to play on others in a collaborative programming environment is to randomly replace semicolons with Greek question marks and watch them slowly descend into madness during debugging.
Captcha: Type these letters (and its just ones, capital I's and lowercase l's in that font where they all look the same)
The not-O there is a Greek letter, for example, specifically I think it's lowercase Sigma
As a person with a math degree (meaning that I'm an expert on the Greek alphabet), I confirm, that is lowercase sigma.
i just go by the avatars for pretty much any user who has one lol
Death to America
I can't wait for the NAFO crowd to call the pentagon russian shills
if i were a lemm.ee (لا سمح الله) and I saw this thread and the idiots that post here I would delete my account out of shame
Look. We HAVE to shoot up a grocery store in order to stop the Soviets. It’s for the greater good.
Wait, but that would mean all the libs saying that Putin would invade everyone if he wins in Ukraine were brainwashed liars???
