whoops no this is UC Davis in 2011. the cop pepper spraying these nonviolent student protestors filed for worker's compensation claiming "psychiatric damage" due to having his name released and won more than $38k USD in compensation.
Please be careful about posting this where Americans can see. The regime will lower their credit score and they'll be barred from buying a house.
In dystopia SEE SEE PEE China, merely asking to see your social credit score will lower your social credit score.
In communist China you can't buy a house because you give up 80% of your paycheck to pay your billionaire real estate investor's mortgage
They spent so much money trying to cover this up/bury the picture
lol thanks for reminding me
Documents reveal UC Davis spent $175,000 to erase pepper-spray incident from Internet
Not professors, that’s just slightly more than my boss’s salary
Yeah, but they hardly mint new professors in the US anymore. It's just assistant professors and post grads filling out the ranks.
"So... you want this alphabetically, chronologically, or by magnitude? In any case, grab a drink because we're gonna be here a while"
Apparently it's because Bin Laden had it on his harddrive that they seized/stole during the raid that killed him. And it's not exactly like the CIA is all that fuzzed about people knowing they did some terrible shit during the cold war, since they just claim that it was a different time and that they have changed (or libs will make that argument, because they have a religious need to believe that the CIA is now the good guys after Trump yelled at them).
How recent would it have to be before a substantial number tunes into the idea that this is how they are? Or is it only when it affects them and they happens to not affect the individual personally?
One must quote it from memory while north korean anti-american music blasts in the background
I'd recommend reading wretched of the earth first.
For anyone who wasn't around, this was I think during Occupy (the social movement demanding economic reforms in the wake of the 2007 economic collapse. Obama said "lol no" and crushed it with overwhelming force". Those kids were just sitting on the sidewalk doing ineffectual nonviolence stuff. The cop just walked back and forth down the line spraying them in the face over and over. UC Davis caught a lot of flack for basically torturing students for having the gall to ask for simple reforms but nothing really changed. Probably seems quaint given the escalation of police violence in the last decade.
Not to mention the cops on roofs with sniper rifles aimed at Occupy leaders
newly uncovered photo of authoritarian tankies shooting anti war protestors
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We really just need a standard All-In-One response to 10,000 dead tanks washed down canals with bodies pro-democracy whatever the fuck.
Just something with all the relevant sources, refuting all the bullshit, and nothing gets posted but that. we're wasting so much time responding to this bullshit every single day, to people who believe in an unfalsifiable fairy tale based not on history but a religious conviction that china-bad and anything that counteracts that must be a deception regardless of source or content.
There might be better, but the RedSails article seems solid.
https://redsails.org/another-view-of-tiananmen/
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Nice try tankie, thinking I wouldn't notice the favourite colour of your perfidious ilk right in the name of the website!
You're never arguing to win over the debatebro dumbass. You're arguing for all the lurkers that also see your post.
so many anti-communist arguments are copy paste, our answers should be too lol
i cannot believe they only paid him more than 38000 workers' rights have gone to damn hell
I'm sorry, you are right that there is oppression in the US, but to suggest that this incident is somehow equivalent to the Tiananmen Square Massacre, where people were run over with tanks, and their remains hosed down the street drains, is absolutely disgusting.
The term "false equivalence" doesn't even begin to describe this. The disrespect for what happened is so reprehensible that it completely invalidates any point you might be trying to make. People died in Tiananmen Square.
so the evidence for this claim ("people were run over with tanks, and their remains hosed down the street drains") is literally just someone said that someone else said hearsay passed through a game of telephone.
I went down an internet rabbit hole the other night trying to find the true source of the g*re images most commonly attributed to events in Tiananmen Square. I made like no progress after an hour, but one thread that stuck out to me was on the subreddit /r/MorbidReality, where a mod said the images were proven true by a reliable source, but their source was just a link to the search results from typing "Tiananmen Square" into gettyimages lol
Like not even a specific image, just the landing page for searching a keyword on a stock image site...If the proof of burden is on those alleging a massacre of (tens of) thousands of civilians, you would think they would do more than share like a small handful of images, most of which come with no easily accessible or verifiable context/explanation. it's so weird.
edit cause the thread is still new-ish: if a user can shed light on the original source(s) of the images I'm describing can you please share so i can find intellectual closure on them?
And the evidence that this didn't happen, in addition to the accounts of western reporters physically present in the square who said no one died and there wasn't much violence in the square, is the like thousands of people who were students in the square at the time and don't understand why Americans are so obsessive about it.
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/china-1989-tiananmen-square-protests-demonstration-massacre
This is literally just the same kind of shit with anonymous claims and no sources, we have photos from the square right the morning after with no signs of such a large scale massacre, do you believe the Chinese have some unnatural power to clean up the square and ensure no photographic evidence of the massacre actually exists?
they probably do, many would rather construct a world conspiracy with no sense or evidence than leave the liberal world framework
I am begging you to go to Beijing and ask people what they think of the June 4 incident.
Although the uprising is still taboo in China, everyone who was there on the square remembers. At the end of Beijing Coma, the protagonist Dai Wei recalls returning to the place where, a few hours before, his friend had been mown down by a tank. He remembers seeing her flattened corpse in the distance and noticing that: “As if refusing to be crushed, the flesh and bones had risen a fraction from the tarmac.”
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/may/30/ma-jian-tiananmen-square-remembered
So is Gulag Archipelago, doesn't stop libs treating Solzhenitsyn's drivel like it's holy scripture
not only do you not read our links, you don't even read your own. embarrassing.
Although the uprising is still taboo in China
No it's not. No one cares and folks don't understand why Americans are obsessed with it.
As long as the Chinese government censors the topic, it's hard to know what exactly happened and what didnt. We are left with political statements and third-hand "knowledge". Which isnt ideal.
Definitely. I dont even know where these rumours originate from, but I've heard them often enough online and a lot of people seem to believe them although even western-based encyclopedia etc clearly state the opposite.
Ah, I see you all planned some astroturfing in advance. Very credible.
Fucking daily. It's infuriating. It's so frustrating. Why are they obsessed with a completely absurd fantasy about this one specific incident? Catholics aren't this obsessive with the crucifixion.
having sources is astroturfing, not having sources is evidence of being correct. of course.
Can you explain what is the difference between astroturfing and providing sources and evidence?
Jesus christ. I wish you were a bot. Bots actually have an excuse for being unable to exceed their programming.
Ah, you're right, they're just throwing insults to no real point or purpose beyond some delusional sense of superiority.
Not only is fallacy reffing stupid, it's not even an example of ad hominem, it's just an insult.
Ad hominem: "You're wrong because you're a doo doo head."
Not ad hominem: "You're a doo doo head and you're wrong."
Also not ad hominem: "You're a doo doo head because you're wrong."
It seems you're right, this behavior is of lower quality than even abusive ad hominem, and probably just fits in the "name calling" base of the hierarchy. Lowest of the low. There's a lot of examples of such behavior in this thread.
Complaining about "fallacy reffing" is very self serving when the fallacy is on your side. It pretty much demonstrates that no one here is capable of having a debate in good faith.
You fuckers literally cannot fucking help yourself holy shit.
Not everyone takes Western medias depiction of things as fact, I mean if you werent a complete dipshit the least you could do is try to composite a narrative from Chinese and Western sources instead of taking the #1 Geopolitical enemies word for it and countless other things it has lied about.
You've seen first hand how shitty American government and it's goons are to it's own people why do you think they wouldn't lie about their main adversary?
No, but we do have reading groups, encourage each other to expand our knowledge, and post useful and interesting links to each other if they're interested. You know, like most people do, like a community does.
Also: imagine being proud deliberate ignorance.
Even if a corporation paid for that, a list of links would still not qualify as astroturfing
https://streamable.com/unjnw9
video of tank man NOT getting run over, followed by a bunch of clips of American police cars running over protestors
Note, those tanks are leaving the square.
According to the western narrative, those tanks just spent hours gunning down unarmed protesters, then crushing their corpses into liquid.
And then stop to argue with a single dude trying to block them from leaving.
people were run over with tanks, and their remains hosed down the street drains
no they weren't. about 300 people died in clashes outside the square, more than half of which were PLA and police.
The Myth of Tiananmen and the price of a passive press | Columbia Journalism Review
The Tian’anmen Square ‘Massacre’: The West’s Most Persuasive, Most Pervasive Lie. | Mango Press
https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/tiananmenreadinglist
Wtf this is literally George Foreman 1989
I thought you were gonna link to a source but instead you're linking slam poetry you absolute bozo
You should ask yourself the following question: Why does Tiananmen Square keep getting dragged up by western media, and meanwhile we never hear anything about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwangju_Uprising
Try to think of a reason why.
(And no, the answer is not "well ackshullly South Korea is a fReE dEmOcRaCY now so it doesn't matter")
responding to the Columbia Journalism Review article (by the WaPo's Beijing bureau chief who was in the square) with an unsourced tone poem inspired by Jorjor Well, you don't look like a shit-eating clown at all
The actual content of the utterance as it spills out is no more complex or nuanced than “China Bad,” and the elementary mistakes people make when they write out statements of “solidarity” make that much clear. This is not a complaint that these people have not studied China enough — there’s no reason to expect them to study China, and retrospectively I think to some extent it was a mistake to personally have spent so much time trying to teach them. It’s instead an acknowledgment that they are eagerly wielding the accusation like a club, that they are in reality unconcerned with its truth-content, because it serves a social purpose.
What is this social purpose? Westerners want to believe that other places are worse off, exactly how Americans and Canadians perennially flatter themselves by attacking each others’ decaying health-care systems, or how a divorcee might fantasize that their ex-lover’s blooming love-life is secretly miserable. This kind of “crab mentality” is actually a sophisticated coping mechanism suitable for an environment in which no other course of action seems viable. Cognitive dissonance, the kind that eventually spurs one into becoming intolerant of the status quo and into action, is initially unpleasant and scary for everybody. In this way, we can begin to understand the benefit that “victims” of propaganda derive from carelessly “spreading awareness.” Their efforts feed an ambient propaganda haze of controversy and scandal and wariness that suffocates any painful optimism (or jealousy) and ensuing sense of duty one might otherwise feel from a casual glance at the amazing things happening elsewhere. People aren’t “falling” for atrocity propaganda; they’re eagerly seeking it out, like a soothing balm.
https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/
I agree that this would be a false equivalence. But, the title is a form of persuasion. By saying "this was done by an evil villain" and then saying "no, this was done by who you thought to be the hero" the post can catch some liberals off-guard before a defense response kicks in and this could begin their path leftwards.
Making a defense of an authoritarian regime, as so many CCP apologists in this thread have done, is no way to begin anyone's path leftwards.
The CCP is communist in name only, not in operation.
Look man, I didn't pull out the "China boogieman"; OP did in the title.
If you genuinely believe that the CCP is not that bad, and is actually running a functionally communist government, then you are way more ignorant than you are implying that I am. You have no idea what an oppressive authoritarian regime actually looks like in practice.
People did die. Loyal members of the comunist crade died at the hands of liberals paid by the US government. It is a sad moment were we should remember just how evil the US really is.
