Pretty easy to be a communist when we predict all this shit, literally all the time lol
Steven Pinker eat your heart out
r/collapse is the most important subreddit to win the ideological battle in. If it goes far-right, it's using the ultimate source of anxiety to drive eco-fascism. Other subreddits that form a pewdiepipeline will pale in comparison to how effective that one will be. It's already a subreddit that has to feature a suicide hotline on the sidebar because it's so overwhelmingly scary.
It absolutely is the largest materialist subreddit. I openly post as a Leninist with positive reception because the things we believe counter those anxieties in a constructive way. When you can point out the who/what/where/when/whys of a thread from a dialectical materialist standpoint, or even just share relevant theory doing so, it resonates there a lot better than it does in political subreddits or general ones. I see more potential for radicalisation there than anywhere else on the website and if nothing else it's helping to refine your arguments for real-life organising.
I always agitate right wing nuts on there and often message their mods if a chud comes along. It's important to me that that sub in particular stays on our side. It would be a shame to lose that one to chuds. I worry about the mod team sometimes though, but the users are mostly solid.
I think it's at least as large as cth was right? They already are very disenchanted with capitalism and liberalism. They're more left than regular reddit but they could break hard right in a second. Eugenics, pop control and just misanthropy are very much in play for /r/collapse' future.
Larger than chapo by a stretch. We were at like 100-120k or so when I last checked and they're at nearly 240k. Threads get like 2-3x the engagement of what I remember chapo threads getting.
Christ, to think I used to hang out in a subreddit with 159.999 liberals
It's probably more active now than 4chan's /b/ was when it radicalised a generation of fascists. Definitely more active than r/tumblrinaction or r/subredditdrama when they were prominent pipeline subreddits. Dozens or hundreds of times more active than any of the facebook groups driving fascism and as of today they have 4750x the subscribers r/CBTS did when I first saw what Qanon was going to become and reported the subreddit. Posting is mostly empty conversation but in a space like that it can become a permanent Nuremburg Rally reaching hundreds of thousands of people from their most vulnerable angle.
I'll check it out again. Last I was there I was climate doomer, now climate doomer communist.
marxism allows us to predict the future but curses us with fact that no one ever fucking listens :stalin-stressed:
My favorite thing as a PhD in atmospheric physics is reading comments in whatever climate subs disparging the pessimistic tone of /collapse.
Motherfucker if youre not pessimistic youre delusional.
Like look at this shit. It's one thing to be hopeful in the face of things but lol "no bad news allowed".
https://www.reddit.com/r/ClimateActionPlan/comments/jff5u7/can_the_moderators_please_ban_the_people_who_post/
[Guys just vote for Joe Biden itll be fine]
https://www.reddit.com/r/climate/comments/jgo019/joe_biden_has_the_most_progressive_climate_plan/
So... you're the resident expert. What's 2050 going to look like assuming nothing changes?
I shouldnt overstate, I study atmospheric chemistry not climate modeling. But according to the IPCC a business as usual approach (RCP8.5) would put us past 2°C already by 2050 (and towards several degrees by the end of the century).
Hey I checked back and yeah, you dont need to lie awake nights worrying about the permafrost methane changing the atmosphere overnight.
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/367/6480/846.summary
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-1991-8
(Let me know if you want to read the full articles)
Our fate is not sealed by the physics, our challenges are political.
I don't know as much about the clathrate gun as I should but last I read about it, the finding was the effects had been overestimated. I'll check and get back to you. In any case the breathability of the air isn't really the problem. Methane is just 30x worse than CO2 as a greenhouse gas.
as a PhD in atmospheric physics
Wow. Say, what's your favourite kind of air? I like wind.
Whatever you do, do not look at any of the threads about the Three Gorges Dam
It's a pretty big reminder that you're still on reddit
Every June/July there is a flurry of new articles in the mainstream about how it is going to collapse and tens of millions will drown and how it is "different" to the last time. Evidence usually being things like blurry pictures where there is some deformation in the dam. I'm a layman but I am pretty sure this is working as intended
The comments were usually about how bloodthirsty and callous the CCP is. But I've just done a search to try and find examples and I see that the discourse is much better now 🥳
Seriously though it was BAD
what could possibly be 'collapse' about three gorges ??? its just a big damn?
I don't know what reddit thinks about it and I don't care. That said, dams fucking suck and completely fuck up the ecology of the area. Just build more nuclear if you need power.
Dams fucking rule, and while nuclear rules too you can't just ignore the ecological impact of uranium mining like that. Ideally both would feature heavily in a sustainable energy infrastructure.
Dams definitely don't fucking rule, they're one of the most invasive ways of producing power conceivable...
Only cool dams, beavers are based and I'd prefer to be a beaver than whatever the fuck I am now.
Agreed. Just read Eager by Ben Goldfarb. Basically says beavers are the second most important mammal after humans in terms of determining US ecology, and its a crime that they were slaughtered to be worn in Europe. They're coming back strong tho
You know you can have a little ecological damage, your soul isn't damned if you do, we're trying to save the planet not recreate Eden
That sub is great. They are a lot more realistic about things than anywhere else. The only issue is the occasional libs who scream at you to vote for Biden or the right wingers on there who have a hard-on for Bitcoin. Other than that, I've met some really great Marxists on there.
I never understood how that trope of "cursed document that immediately turns anyone who views it into a jaded soulless husk" until I read this article (warning: it will unironically turn you into a doomer if you weren't already one)
Not that bad, really.
Death itself, the void, and the erasure of all things? Whatever. The knowledge that bourgeois interests created and are exacerbating this problem, they're aware of it, and are going full speed ahead not giving a shit about all the suffering they've created? Now that's jading.
What they think (or don't think) of me is of no interest to my ego; they have already declared war against the working class and human civilization as we know it.
only to them, the blind and the vilest creatures in the world.
we are the finest humanity can offer, the spark of love in this loveless world. We carry a new world in our hearts and we will win that world. Or we will all die. No pressure tho.
Could go harder, what I find the most interesting in this is the processing that we are indeed doomed, and how to still go along and prolong the struggle by understanding how each moment is valuable, and getting out of our bubble that will crash whether we want it or not. What is to be done, even if we're dead 100 years from now ?
I pull a blistered, gasping fish from the tangy sea. I spray paint VOTE on its side and dump it back in. my job here is done.
Here's your recommendation to go listen to the Ashes Ashes podcast if you want to get doomerized. They got some bleak ass info on the environment but they really helped accelerate my radicalization when I was early in my leftward shift.
At least one of the hosts started off as a chapo listener and basically throws shade at them being too lib for him and not doing enough activisim/organizing, so that's funny. They do also try to injext some optimism in where they can. And they took several months off so they could do like a 9 hour expose on the border concentration camps.
The best and worst part about being a leftist is always being proven right
Pretty easy to be a communist when we predict all this shit, literally all the time lol
The Communist delegation would like to next take credit for < checks notes > climate change.
It's fascinating, because I would have expected it to be right wing due to the overlap with preppers / boogaloo.
It used to be a right wing sub over 10 years ago. Lots of "dollar collapse" Libertarians and Ron Paul stuff. It gradually started to shift left about 5-6 years ago and that's where it's at now.
I was thinking of writing out a longer form post on there denouncing the overpopulation myth and how fascists use it as a tool to get the concept of eugenics in the mix.
Anyone have any good sources I should throw in before writing it up?
The angle to take on population growth is that:
- What slows population growth (and what does so in a non-evil way) is stuff like women getting political rights and economic independence, plus general improvements in education and material conditions.
- Top-down population controls arguably don't work (I'd have to dig back into my research on the topic, but population control measures in India and China failed to produce immediate results) and even if they do, they lead to all sorts of awful side effects.
I wouldn't deny the subject outright. The Earth does have some carrying capacity, even if you don't think we're particularly close to it, and it's easier to raise living standards and build a sustainable way of living with 10 billion people instead of 20.
Population outside of Africa is already at 80% of it peak, and by 2050 will be at 95% of its peak, so any strict measures taken will provide marginal result. As for Africa, it has been consistently shown, like you said that providing healthcare and human rights (Ethiopia, Eritrea, Ghana, Kenya, Rwanda) has done a far better job than mere family planning (Nigeria, DRC, )
It took a lot of posting to turn it away from ecofash and libertarian conspiracy wackos
There is one mod in particular that I think is a chud. The rest seems okayish.
