Shame, we had incredible chemistry and they were the freakiest person I've ever met. Guess I'm single again comrades.

    • Classic_Agency [he/him,comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      r/neoliberal is literally an astroturfed project of a right-wing think tank. I honestly could not imagine any other way that people could so openly be in support of neoliberalism.

        • Classic_Agency [he/him,comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          https://www.progressivepolicy.org/blogs/a-new-chapter-the-neoliberal-project-joins-ppi/

          Nearly three years ago, the earliest iteration of the Neoliberal Project came about. It was in the form of a forum where economics undergraduate students could gather to discuss economics and the policy implications of the field. We called the forum r/neoliberal. We didn’t name our forum that to make a political statement from the outset, but because we wanted to poke fun at people who had previously called us that word. But quickly, people began joining at a far greater rate than we ever expected...

          I’m proud to announce a new chapter of the Neoliberal Project today. Today, we are officially joining the Progressive Policy Institute (PPI). PPI is a storied think tank based in Washington, DC that traces it origin back as the brain trust of the Bill Clinton administration and now works with pragmatic Democrats to solve today’s toughest solutions.

    • cracksmoke2020 [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      I have limited experience bc who actually talks about reddit in real life, but everyone I know who likes/liked that place is generally just young and had Republican parents. Sometimes this stuff happens in baby steps.

  • Snakechapman [any]
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    4 years ago

    Ok here was the biggest red flag. I'm a scientist and I study global change ( think deforestation, soil loss, crop loss etc). My strongest connection to socialism is in ecological terms, because I think that the infinite growth paradigm is at odds with the basic tenets of ecology and that capitalism will continue to drive us to ecocide. When I brought up issues of global forest loss and how capitalism has literally no solution for mass deforestation, she clung tooth and nail to the idea that capitalism would provide market based, technological solutions to our ecological problems, even though we literally have a handful of years left to the complete extirpation of tropical forests. Its fucking abhorrent honestly and it's an affront to my core spiritual beliefs.

    • Brown_Pelican [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      capitalism would provide market based, technological solutions to our ecological problems

      I embarrassingly went through that phase for like a month since i had been following green tech. still keep an eye on it since i have a similar background to yours it sounds like but i've quickly learned it won't be enough.

      also, to be fair my phase came directly afterr my complete lose in faith of usa government/democrats. I just immediately learned after that phase that it was capitalism through and through causing the government to be that way that led me to radicalization.

    • anthropicprincipal [any]
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      4 years ago

      Just bring back the Rainforest Cafe from the 1990's and sell overpriced chicken nuggets to kids and manchildren while donating ~5% to the rainforest.

      Problem solved!

      History of Rainforest Cafe:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4wVQFo6_qQ

    • Snakechapman [any]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      Ive been trying for months. They love the idea of woke capitalism and literally think radical centrism is the lowest cost path to the best outcomes

      • shitstorm [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        lowest cost

        Explain the cost, repeat it incessantly. The cost is human lives. Her (and your) material comfort is built on a chain of human suffering where denying people basic resources creates "value." In my experience, the best way to get to woke capitalist types is to force them to explain away human suffering until they get tired of explaining it.

        • TossedAccount [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          I agree. I'll attempt to translate this sentiment into terms Snakechapman's neolib SO (or ex?) might actually understand:

          It's necessary to understand and articulate what the trade-offs actually typically are under the conditions of imperialist capitalism: when capitalists control society, they limit politically-feasible options to those which impose negative externalities to the poor whenever possible, up to and including literally killing people, getting them killed, or allowing them to die when the opportunity cost of not doing any of that is less income for themselves.

          The fallacy of neoliberalism as its /r/neolib proponents present it is that Pareto improvements and "growing the pie" are the only options to improve collective welfare (according to a utilitarian definition, where capitalists act like utility monsters), no matter how asymmetric the terms of exchange are between capitalist and worker, and between colonizer and colonized. These purely political constraints are just the way things are, and considered completely exogenous. Kaldor-Hicks improvements which come at great cost to the wealthy but which help the masses are off-limits even though some such redistributive measures - even basic social-democratic ones dismissed by the neoliberals as "too radical" - are common fucking sense when phrased correctly to most working-class people without PMC or West Wing brainworms.

        • Poison_Ivy [comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          They explain it away with terms like "access" to healthcare and wave away any deaths with justifications that they were old and fat anyways so who currs

        • shitstorm [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          They don't. They say universal healthcare is impossible in America (either b/c of cost or Republicans won't let us) then they quote how Obamacare got millions of new people on insurance (without mentioning the coercive tax that came with it or the billions in handouts to insurance).

          I always repeat the point that America is the richest country in the history of existence. If we can't afford to provide healthcare and the UK and Canada can, then we're complicit in killing people for profit. Again, the only way capitalists can make anything profitable is provide barriers to entry. Ask them why it's okay for poor children to die for the crime of being born in the wrong zip code.

      • Jorick [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        RIP. Well, you'll find someone else, it's far better to tell her to go fuck herself now, than later on when you're too attached not to feel like shit about it. Besides, this year, and the upcoming decade will mean more socialists in general, so you'll have plenty more occasions to find a better person than an actual neolib who thinks woke capitalism is cool and good, actually.

  • discontinuuity [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I was chatting with someone until she said that she does marketing for the chamber of commerce. Nope!

  • Deadend [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    It’s your duty to hate fuck the liberalism out.

    Or don’t, trying to change people you’re dating is a bad effort. She’s probably a neoliberal because she likes being on the winning team. She would 100% stab you in the back if it’s good for her.

    • Classic_Agency [he/him,comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      Women neo libs confuse the fuck out of me. How could you support a system that depends on your gender doing domestic slavery and shitty maid jobs in order to function effectively?