i keep playing games im really bad at, which i like watching from time to time but only make me feel like a dumbass cos i lose costantly (mainly chess).

after that, i tell myself im good for nothing, and i go back into a depressive/anxious spiral that can last half a day if i dont manage to calm myself down, but even after that i try to try again the day after, which one might think is the good and honest thing to do, right? like trying again to try to improve? but then i lose another couple of games/do badly at the videogamez and it restarts all over again and i cry on myself again. i know it might sound like im exaggerating but i think it's some sort of self harm.

and im starting to doubt if im good at anything, cos i really am not. like the only thing i've been more than ok at for the past two years or so is my high school math, which, tbh, is going great, im helping out basically all my friends pass, but even slightly outside of that i am complete trash at stuff, like not even worth trying.

  • Phish [he/him, any]
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    4 years ago

    You're helping all your friends pass math? Do you realize how awesome that is? That means you're not just good at math, you're a good friend. That's one of the best things you can be in this life. I'm still friends with all my best friends from high school and they make my life so much better every day. Sounds like they're really lucky to have you in their lives. Don't stress about not thinking you're good at stuff, just live your life, find new interests, explore them, and have fun. Not everything has to be about being "good" at something, often times simply experiencing things is perfectly fine.

  • sappho [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    I think everyone has already given really good advice, but I had one thought to add. Sometimes, when we get stuck in compulsive, repetitive behavior like this, it's because our brain is trying to resolve something. Usually taking a story from our past and building a different ending. So maybe in your case you failed at something, and the consequences were really dire, and now when you fail again your brain punishes you to try and keep it from happening. Or maybe you had horrible consequences from being overly confident and so your brain is trying to remind you never to do that again. Something like that.

    One way out of stuff like this is to change the ending. So in your case, it seems like you could try and deliberately reward and comfort yourself after the next time you lose at a game. Maybe plan out in advance a gift or favorite food you could give yourself once you lose, or schedule a time to immediately sit down and talk with someone who loves you. Write down some affirmations of self-compassion and force yourself to look in the mirror and say them. Talk to yourself like a loving parent would speak to a child who messed up on something. It will definitely feel silly and weird to do these things, but whatever your reaction is, it'll hopefully give you useful information on why this sort of thing is happening.

  • The_word_of_dog [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    What's even more fun is you'll eventually find something you're good at, then you'll hit a level with it where you're so good that you end up thinking you're bad all over again lol.

    Just find something you like doing, eventually you'll get better.

  • dukeofprunes [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    being good at maths is probably more useful than videogames. also chess is hard it's completely fine not to be the best. being 'good' at stuff is bullshit in general, just do things you like doing because you like doing them, this is how people who are good at stuff generally get good at stuff anyway.

  • Owl [he/him]
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    4 years ago
    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN43sCyEanA

    2. Doing things you're bad at isn't self-harm. Basing your self-worth on whether you're good at things probably is.

    3. Getting good at stuff comes from practice. Talent is a myth. The most "talented" people always turn out to be people who had an irrational compulsion to keep practicing at something they were horrible at.

    4. Wait, you're in high school? It takes like ten years of practice to be actually good at a thing. You literally haven't had the time. All your friends are trash at whatever you think they're good at too, and they probably agree with me because they're comparing themselves to professionals, not other high schoolers.

    5. If you're really really attached to the idea of getting good at a thing, you should find a way to watch yourself from the outside, like watching replays of your chess games, and critically analyze that. Break it down into skills you want to work on, and spend the most time on whatever you're worst at, with the rest of the skills in rotation. Set a fixed practice schedule.

  • Saint [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Nobody's good at chess or video games naturally. It's heavily dependent on practice- both how much you practice and how effectively you practice. For something like that, it doesn't make sense to say "I'm bad at" like it's some immutable part of your being. It makes morse sense to say "I haven't yet invested the time to get good at".

    I'm not an expert on mental health, so I don't want to make recommendations. It sounds like you're getting seriously emotionally invested in something like chess or video games in a way that's unhealthy (and, as you say, may be a form of self-harm), so maybe the best thing to do is just steer clear of activities like that until you feel equipped to handle them in a healthy way. But it might also be a good idea to take up a hobby that you can practice in a way that doesn't make you feel like this, and feel yourself going from novice to being good at it. Maybe something non-competitive like a musical instrument or learning a second language. Even chess could possibly work if you got one of those apps that plays at your level, gives you tutorials and puzzles. But don't do any of the above if it's going to make you feel anxiety like you're describing!

    Also if I had to pick one thing to be good at high school, math would be at the top of the list. I don't know what your plans for the future are, but being good at math alone is enough to unlock some really good careers.

    • Katieushka [they/them,she/her]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      thank you, this is a really good comment. but maybe im saying this just cos it validates the fact im feeling quite bad atm

      but being good at math alone is enough to unlock some really good careers.

      really? idk, i wanted to be a math teacher since that sounds like something good and easy for me, but i also have mental issues so im not sure i would be fit to. other than that it's all really boring shit, like finance and accounting, and i'd rather die than do those. idrk if i want to study math if that's what i might end up doing.

      • Saint [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        You should definitely look around, try to get an impression of what kind of jobs are out there. I give this advice as somebody who was also good at math and totally failed to do this myself. I was very lucky to fall into a good job anyway but it would have been a much smoother ride if I'd had more of an idea from the outset.

        I don't know what you'd find interesting or enjoyable. Statistics in particular has really wide-ranging uses, including in academia if that's something that you're interested in. Also data science, though that also involves coding. In finance there may be jobs that are less boring than you think, but it also has other potential issues- moral objections and work culture being two big ones. Math teacher could be a good option too

  • Pezevenk [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    You seem to have low self esteem but also very high expectations from yourself even on unimportant stuff. But if you are in highschool, I wouldn't worry THAT much, lots of people are like that in highschool. They push through and it usually gets better at the other side. I was a bit like that in highschool too.

    Also, being bad at videogames is cool and good. Fuck the videogames, it's not important either way. At least math is more important.

      • Pezevenk [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Also seeing a therapist might help (it usually does help a lot from people I've talked to) and that's what a lot of people might tell you but I know some parents are really weird about therapy.

  • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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    4 years ago

    i get what you mean. it feels pretty shitty to want to be smart and capable, but feel like you're not. i have a lot of trouble getting invested in things i'm not immediately good at. but your intelligence (and i suspect you are intelligent) can only take you so far. some skills only come with lots of practice, which means lots of failure, and learning to be okay with some amount of failure. go players, the weeb little cousins of chess players, have a saying for new players that goes like, "lose your first 100 games quickly." luckily with games, it doesn't matter that much if you lose, but you probably already know that.

    sorry i don't really have anything that can help you much. i think your friends are pretty fortunate to have someone like you. hope you feel better.

  • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]
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    4 years ago

    Sometimes the path to being able to feel good about how well you can do something involves trying and failing over and over again, just out of the sight of others.

    It's the ones that practice the most in private who perform the best in public.

  • Oxbinder [any]
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    4 years ago

    Maybe some form of art or music? I've done music since my teens. The thing about the arts is that the feeling of being unable to be good at them is the reason they exist, contrary to what you may have heard about becoming rich and famous! That's only what it looks like from the outside. Scratch any successful artist and an insecure person bleeds. Take a shot at expressing that feeling.

    • Katieushka [they/them,she/her]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      tbh i feel like too bad to try and do some drawing after this, i feel like i would be completely worthless at it right now. idk why i'd try them right now when they are gonna make me feel worse...

      • Oxbinder [any]
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        4 years ago

        idk, you might surprise yourself with something. just let go of it, watch some birds in the snow for like an hour.

  • Sidereal223 [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I think for a lot of us who were good at maths or some other subject at high school, we forget that we spent many years of hard work in order to get to that point. The reason we forget is that for school, we're forced to do these things and then when we do well (and sometimes, even when we don't do well), we get rewarded with a certificate or high grades. I think one of the consequences of all that is that we forget that the math skills we've developed is still a result of all our hard work, and more importantly, it is an important part of us (whether or not you actually like maths); we sort of externalise it all, so to speak.

    And so when we start something new, we sort of assume that we'd be just as good as the new thing as we would be at maths. But you can think of it like this, imagine having to do a high school maths exam when you were still in early grade school. You'd fail it pretty badly, right? That's how a lot of us approach new things (like chess).

    • Katieushka [they/them,she/her]
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      4 years ago

      Idk man i always thought i was a natural with a passion for math and physics, not really product of hard work like some people in my class.

      • corporalham [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        I don't believe that talent is a myth, but a lot of the variation in ability for beginners, particularly in school performance, comes from previous experiences that helped you without you knowing it. Playing a bunch of video games with realistic movement will give you a good sense of newtonian physics. Reading virtually anything gives people better reading comprehension and analysis. When you reach the upper levels of any kind of field, such as graduate level or even undergraduate studies, you'll likely see a flattening out of ability. Nothing really prepares you for k-space, Fourier transforms, or Hegelian dialectics. There will still be a fair amount of variability, but the primary driver of performance will likely be effort, at that point. You always hear about exceptions, but I think it's just people blustering most of the time.

        Really, just don't hyperfixate on your performance for things, except for when it materially matters. For school, jobs, etc., we have no choice, but for everything else go easy on yourself. They certainly won't.

      • Sidereal223 [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        You probably do have some natural ability with those topics (I think I do too). At least for me, it allowed me to understand those topics at a faster rate than a lot of people my age. And if you have a passion for those topics, that's great (unfortunately, I never did). Either way though, we both spent years at school learning/studying those topics, and probably even hours outside of school, and I don't think we should diminish the work we did on that front (even if it did not feel particularly difficult to get to that point). It's not an either/or situation.

  • eduardog3000 [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    me_irl :sadness:

    So many things look cool and interesting and I wanna do them, then I try and I suck.