Thank you, Disney for continually reiterating that having money doesn't make one smarter, more creative, or more capable. Fucking hilarious shit.

  • doublepepperoni [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    To be fair, it's not like Lucas had extensively mapped out an entire trilogy when he made the first movie either. He, Kasdan and all those other people were just mostly flying by the seat of their pants from movie to movie

    And it really shows in ROTJ

    • Lucas [he/him]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      True. It's just having the intellectual property (hate this term so much), you would expect some level of planning.

      • cawsby [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Imagine how much better the media landscape would be if we went back to 17 year copyrights.

      • doublepepperoni [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        It just kind of lazily wraps everything up to get it over with. Anyway, my point was that these big franchise movies aren't generally planned that tightly unless they're Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings which were all made at the same time

        I do agree that Rise of Skywalker was a laughably bad movie though- I wonder how much it was just due to JJ's incompetence and how much of it was some ill-advised course correction due to fanboys collectively shitting their pants about TLJ

        • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          Absolute champ Patrick H Willems just did a video on third entries in trilogies that touches on this

          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MRoorGEwM9k

  • BigWetSon [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    JJ Abrams is the biggest hack in hollywood, and that is really saying something

    • Lucas [he/him]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      Being third generation Hollywood royalty explains it all.

      • Gothouse [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        Every. Single. Time.

        I remember being surprised when I found out Carrie Fisher only got into Hollywood because her mother was Debbie Reynolds. Then, time and time again, I found that famous actors didn't get their parts because they were great actors, but because they were blood relatives of other Hollywood people. It was my first introduction to the insular world that elites create for themselves, and how they hypocritically preach the opposite of what they practice themselves.

        • Lucas [he/him]
          hexagon
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          3 years ago

          Yes. I know plenty of aspiring writers and creatives who get rejected all the time because somebody's failson wanted to take a shot at being 'self-made.'

        • goodaladie [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          it also explains why theres so much bad acting/writing/directing/pretty much everything that isn't technical shit

        • Thordros [he/him, comrade/them]
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          3 years ago

          As a general rule, if I can go on Wikipedia and find out who your grandparents are, it's a coin toss whether or not you're a piece of shit. If they have their own Wikipedia page, you definitely are.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      3 years ago

      He's fine at directing and does solid videography. But he's an absolute dogshit writer.

      • bort_simp_son [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        Because everything we love exists to be destroyed by clueless white failsons.

      • RandyLahey [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        money degrades all the gods of man and converts them into commodities

  • MarxMadness [comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    You see, capitalism gives people a strong incentive to put the most competent in charge and make the best decisions. If you do socialism, you might wind up with incompetent leaders and bad decisions.

    • anaesidemus [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      on the other hand, if they had done a good job, they might have had even more profit! 🤔

      • Lucas [he/him]
        hexagon
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        3 years ago

        No, don't you get it? The invisible hand already moved to the smartest, most profitable choices. You need to take a class on economics. Don't believe your eyes.

      • ultraviolet [she/her]M
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        3 years ago

        yeah but that would require investing with some risk of failing and we can't have that.

  • Phish [he/him, any]
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    3 years ago

    It really just shows what little respect they have for filmgoers. They basically said "just remake the old one and these brainless dullards will go see it en masse." Then when the movies started to suck they got super reactionary and start pulling levers based on social media posts. That's how we got Palpatine back. Very stupid.

    • Lucas [he/him]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      Just utter disdain for their audience. But they have a contingent of defenders who will eat every bit of slop except for diversity.

      • Phish [he/him, any]
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        3 years ago

        Gotta love the guys who cry when they give a strong role to a woman or a black guy but can't get over how cool Kylo Ren was.

        • Lucas [he/him]
          hexagon
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          3 years ago

          When are we going to see another straight white guy with anger issues? When is it their turn?

          • Phish [he/him, any]
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            3 years ago

            Rey is such a Mary Sue! Why can't her character development be more like Luke? What do you mean it's exactly the same in every conceivable way?

        • forceofnature [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          Kylo Ren is still probably the most interesting character in the series if only because "manchild who gets angry" is more personality than the rest of the cast who were basically required to act like sapient cardboard

          • gobble_ghoul [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Finn's background as a child soldier could have made him the most interesting character if they actually used it instead of turning him into a comedy prop.

          • Phish [he/him, any]
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            3 years ago

            If you're only talking new trilogy you're probably right. At least he's a new character that has tangible ties to the original trilogy and has a mildly complex motivation he struggles with throughout the movies. In fact, if they hadn't decided his character was too popular and needed to be protected he would have made a great final antagonist over the randomly reincarnated Palpatine.

      • forceofnature [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        Stuff like Lost and Sherlock both proved that continuously demonstrating overt contempt for your audience is incredibly profitable at least in the anglosphere

    • jabrd [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I’m shocked we didn’t get Darth Jar Jar

      • forceofnature [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        The Fans™ didn't like Jar Jar and the only guiding principal in this entire series was trying desperately to pander to market research

  • vertexarray [any]
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    3 years ago

    Imagine the overwhelming amount of good you could do by using all that cash to buy houses for unhoused people and renters

  • CthulhusIntern [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    MBAs and their arrogance, thinking they can market research their way into good art.

  • Woly [any]
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    3 years ago

    "Sooooo, what's the story going to be?"

    "What do you mean, story? It's a movie franchise!"

    • Lucas [he/him]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      Yeah. But I'm glad that the obvious is being pointed out, for what it's worth. If it means the blame is going to the right place instead of 'forced diversity,' I'm glad.

    • Grownbravy [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      Well, it’s probably the easiest connection to make too.

      Like, if marvel didnt have the whole comic book series, what would Disney try and do with it?

  • ultraviolet [she/her]M
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    3 years ago

    capitalism promotes innovation and not recycling the same things from before to ensure a safe profit.

    • forceofnature [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      Capitalists love to talk about risk and innovation despite being the most cowardly, uncreative group of people in human history (outside of that one pacific island tribe that bans all forms of play and entertainment)

      • ultraviolet [she/her]M
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        3 years ago

        They love risk as long as they don't face any consequence of the risk.

  • poppy_apocalypse [he/him, any]
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    3 years ago

    He's not a good director, but Kevin Smith could have written a better story than whatever that was that Disney shit out.

  • forceofnature [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    To be fair, it's worked (financially, obviously, every single thing Abrams has made is total dogshit) for every other thing JJ Abrams worked on, at least until it didn't.

    • gobble_ghoul [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I'm pretty sure their toy sales actually dipped a ton before the Mandalorian brought them back up. Just because it made money doesn't mean they're making as much as they know they could be.

    • Lucas [he/him]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      Yeah, me too, honestly. But I'd be happy you got the monies instead of a different hack writer.

      • Shitbird [any]
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        3 years ago

        thnx. i would add @Shrek to star wars or some shit. no warning then half through the movi they on a swamp planit n shrek is there

        turnz out shrek is jedii of "ogrearian" species. he survive ordr 66

        rey: "no"

        shrek: "yis donkay"


        all proceeds buy me mansion (w/ secret passagess) + mstly fund animl liberation orgs / commie militant guerilas

        • Shrek
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          3 years ago

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