This is a truly incredible article that criticizes China's plans to build high speed rail to under-served parts of China by taking the angle that it won't make money, and therefore is stupid. Amazing that infrastructure projects that help rural Chinese gain access to a high speed rail network is criticized from the angle of profit-making when making a profit is never the point with infrastructure projects. The NYC subway system wasn't built to "make a profit," but that doesn't mean it was a bad idea. But China bad so somehow them building a crazy amount of high speed rail is bad.
"Countries like the U.S. and U.K. that have shown a chronic inability to get high-speed rail built have much to learn from China’s ambition and execution — but China could learn from the more cautious approach to megaprojects seen elsewhere."
LOL Cope harder bitch
"I want my country to be more like America" - the delusions of a mad man
Don't remind me dude. If anything the British gammons are worse than standard chuds :pig face:
but China could learn from the more cautious approach to megaprojects seen elsewhere.”
like the megaproject of getting paper masks onto people's faces?
yea goddamn China could really learn a thing or two from our caution
How to deal with the constant onslaught of China bad propaganda in the media? I can't really handle it anymore, It's everywhere online and it's making me increasingly pissed off. Especially the human rights pandering, done by people who dont give a fuck about kids dying in Gaza, Yemen and elsewhere.
Push back, let your social circles know it's all bullshit, and when the moment comes where the imperialist West tries to begin a hot war with China, flood the streets. Xi Jinping doesn't give a shit that some Terminally Online folk call him Winnie the Pooh, and this Bloomberg article isn't going to stop China's high speed rail network from being the best in the world. That's kind of the best part about watching all of this—the West will wring their hands but China played them good, and now there's very little they can do to stop China.
Unfortunately it's not all bullshit. Surely this article is total bullshit, but the camps in Xinjiang are real, and China's nationalism creates plenty other valid China bad talking points. Still, it's nothing the US hasn't done equally or worse, but nobody talking China bad will be interested in hearing US comparisons.
I focus on the development, infrastructure and technology stories from China, and share it as counter programming on social media. This is the starkest contrast to western propaganda right now, especially since neoliberalism has taught people that "we can't have nice things" and Austerity is permanent and natural part of society. While they won't come out and say it deep down, most people know that the wests line of argumentation is bullshit.
Showing a society completely eclipse the west in so many fields make it easier to handle arguments about propaganda.
This is good, i like to point out that China has both more mosques than us AND waaaaaay more renewable energy than us. Blows people's minds and they're indisputable facts.
Neoliberalism: If CAPEX for the build and OPEX in the first quarter exceeds revenue for that quarter, it's simply impossible to build.
And the elite simply can't understand how China keeps growing.
Yeah, historically the interstate highways system in America is a massive failure thated to the bankrupting of the state. Definitely not a tool that pulled vast swaths of the country out of poverty and allowed for freedom of travel.
This momo's argument is that instead of investing in rail, China should instead encourage people to move to the biggest cities. Because what China needs is an even denser concentration of the population into the largest cities.
Moving to cities not prepared to handle the increase in density would lead to poor living conditions, poverty, improper sanitation, crime, and unrest. They are basically giving them bad advice.
Imagined if your doctor hated you and told that the gangrenous limb doesn't need amputation. And you took their advice.
Can you imagine how western nations would frame that if China actually did take their terrible advice? Authoritarian China forces mass emigration of rural population would make headlines for months. Then no doubt they'd call the now worse off cities "open aired prisons" and then continue to never report on Palestine.
Also just compare France and Germany, classic scenario
Paris, the nation, surrounded by farmland?
or a bunch of medium-large cities evenly dispersed throughout the nationwhich one is economically superior?
China understands reality, Anglos don't
If you build it, they will come. You build railways into the rural West and more people will go there, and it will eventually increase business and population in those areas.
Also it has the pleasant side effect of making the Chinese population harder to nuke down.
Lots of "you shouldn't build this for the poors" in the article as well. That's just fucked. Good on China on attempting to make high-speed rail available to the poorer/more rural population.
Definitely projection, and probably illuminating on why a high speed rail network like China's doesn't exist in the United States in any form.
What sucks is that we used to do stuff like this. Look at rural electrification, the Interstate Highway System, and even stuff like the first transcontinental railroads and land grant colleges. Sure, there were plenty of non-benevolent reasons involved and plenty of awful shit baked in, but it was still an attempt to build infrastructure for ordinary people and help non-profitable areas develop.
That's how you know the collapse of US imperium is imminent. When we stop being able to have the imagination for large infrastructure projects and actively criticize others for trying, you know we're fucked.
I don't even think it's a matter of imagination, which is definitely still there. The class contradictions have risen to such an extent that the bourgeois state is incapable of even achieving the minor common goods needed to perpetuate itself.
Could you imagine what fucking idiot would use their massive amounts of accumulated capital for projects that actually benefit people instead of for accumulating more capital? smdh
Meanwhile the second largest city in America literally has like 2 subway lines and a handful of light rail lines despite being having of the richest populaces in the world. Also basically all trains between urban epicenters go no faster than 45mph and only run 2-3 times a day
Yeah but why would I want to sit next a filthy poor when I can sit in my carbon emission box listening to shitty talk radio next to a bunch of other carbon emission boxes? This is America bud.
Remember when Elon pitched "The Loop" for his shitty cars, because you would get mugged if it was developed as a mass transit system. And then his PR department had to run interference for a week. Ahh good stuff.
Man I compare stuff like this to the US and it's tragic. I literally read an article today about the USPS that claimed that the USPS should be running like a business when it's currently not, and praised the cuts in the name of efficiency.
Literally why can't we fund something that costs a fraction of the police or military budget that's just straight up for the people? Does everything have to be run like a goddamn business? Why? No one says that the police lose money every year. I shouldn't have to pay $15 to send a literal letter to family in the rural USA because that's what the market decided was a fair price. I'm so tired of this mentality.
Maybe if we all wear matching barrel outfits they'll ship us as safely and environmentally friendly as all the oil that definitely won't dry up or bottom out this time.
Oh but if they made an onlytrainfans account of it and lots of people give it enough money the fuxking train would be good then? Hmm.
Someone on this fucking site is going to make An only fans that’s just trainposting aren’t they?
Don't worry, they will invent some kind of spooky Communist/orientalist racist reason for China to do a thing if "profit" cannot explain it.
Regardless of anything market driven, China building rail to these areas is clearly not about building a good transportation system, it's about connecting the country and geopolitics (comparable to how the US interstate system did the same).
If you're traveling from any of these areas to other parts of China, it's more energy efficient just to fly when you factor in the environmental impact of building high speed rail.
If you’re traveling from any of these areas to other parts of China, it’s more energy efficient just to fly when you factor in the environmental impact of building high speed rail.
what is the breakeven point of passenger miles per km? or however thats measured
They're building high speed rail into Xinjiang which has like 1000km of wilderness desert and mountain ranges (all of which is deeply environmentally destructive to build through in the short term) followed by a few smaller cities which will now be connected. These things are measured by passenger miles, but the populations of these areas already just make it obvious that this has no real transportation value.
The only comparable context in US terms would be if we built high speed rail to connect parts of alaska to Washington.
Except in Xinjiang there are like 4 cities around the size of 500k and that's it. And then there's like 1000km of wilderness and small towns before you have other similarly sized cities.
well i know of the top of my dome xinjiang has at least like 25x the population of alaska, but my question was what the breakevenpoint is, asy ou would need it based on the claim youve made and I'd like to better understand the situation
has at least like 25x the population of alaska,
and theres not the second biggest country in the world in between xinjiang and the rest of china lol
