the guy dropped an extremely deep internet-poisoned white nationalist manifesto and livestreamed everything
ah, just like the mosque shooter from new zealand
And they say BLACK PEOPLE are the ones with the hood rat culture? Nazis do this gangsta shit all the time and get publicly rewarded for it.
black gangs are defensive against the white supremacist state
white gangs are sanctioned by the white supremacist state
Well there is also the UVF (Ulster Volunteer Force), a Northern Irish terrorist organization.
So, a British italian? I dont understand how wack-ass phrenology works
Hell, the English still don't really consider the Irish white
This shit is as unbelievably stupid as it is evil
Conservatives do want a social structure to exist (a fiercely hierarchical, competitive, unequal social structure, but still).
Liberals, particularly Neoliberals, are the ones who explicitly want a purely individualist, atomized society whether they realize it or not.
So when Conservatives are taught that Liberalism and Neoliberalism are the same as Socialism and Communism, it causes intense brain worms, and they start blaming socialism for the atomization of capitalist subjects.
Honestly, I thought GenZ would be all right because they picked up on how queerness and intersectionality works really fast. But there were secret incels among them the whole time and they still suck at racism.
There's going to be some variations and outliers in a population of 70 million people.
Oh, definitely. I suppose it was just a surprise to see how toxic GenZ incel culture got. I figured that they'd learn from Millenials that it's a dead end.
It feels like for GenX and Millenials, incel culture and alt-right culture kind of appeared in a vacuum to the surprise of boomers, who didn't really understand the weird doomer irony poisoning. Someone could get exposed to men's rights and pick up artist entrypoints, but not see the 'sjw' side of the equation until they started brigading them and already had ideological blinders on.
At this point it's almost impossible to interact online without running into feminist culture and talking points, so the reaction of GenZers is now to encounter those talking points as a teenager, actively reject them because it makes them feel bad, and then get drawn into alt-right/incel entrypoints. So while Millenials and up seem to fall more into centrist grillpillism and buy-in to basic neolib rhetoric, GenZ seems to be more pushing itself to the extremes of leftism and fascism.
I thought a lot of incels were genz. It's a pretty polarized generation all around.
Nah, late Gen X started it off with the whole Columbine thing. There were news specials and documentaries about that event for years (though we would now consider it relatively unremarkable), and lots of schools started talking about bullying and increasing security.
Then when Millenials came of age, similar bullied ideologues took notes from Columbine and started to copycat. But their ideologies were usually pretty isolated, self centered, and divorced from reality compared to the way it is now with pre-packaged conservative talking points. As the number of copycats increased, people started tying the ideology of those guys into the increasingly relevant antifeminism and eventually alt-right movements. Millenials really perfected the craft and turned it into a diy adventurism spectacle and made the incel shooter into a hero of 'socially disadvantaged' white guys. It's like their version of theory.
The funny thing is that the columbine shooters weren't bullied. They were neo-nazis. They attacked the school on Hitler's birthday. I found out about it just a few years ago because the media never talked about it. Instead the media attributed it to bullying and the "trenchcoat mafia" that wasn't even affiliated with the shooters.
They hate you. Most if not all Americans are secretly laughing about it, supporting this kid.
They want you and I dead for literally no reason except they think it's funny.
You think "most if not all" Americans are happy to see a mass shooting?
What a deeply diseased country. The sheer frequency at which this happens is sickening.
What do right-wingers say should be done about this anyways?
What do right-wingers say should be done about this anyways?
They think every man, woman and child should be open carrying 24/7, and then "the problem will sort itself out" or something.
Literally they say more guns, if they say anything at all. If they're not libertarians they say more cops, but even anti government libertarians lick police boot these days.
The manifesto says he targeted an area specifically that had strict gun control laws.
https://bnonews.com/index.php/2022/05/mass-shooting-supermarket-buffalo-10-dead/
Article says he even killed an armed security guard who shot him but he was wearing fucking armor plating. Guess we're gonna see some upgrades to rifles instead.
I’ve also seen right wingers saying it’s an “op” as his manifesto was apparently “too on the nose”
To be fair, starting it out with a screenshot of his Myers-Briggs type did have a slight CIA flair to it, but obviously it's far more likely that this dude is just a brainwashed psychopath.
Meyers-Briggs is just the psuedo-psychology equivalent of eugenics anyway.
Conservatives aren’t known for their subtlety so idk what they’re on about
They think that the people he targeted should just take it and the police should look the other way so the fash can have his fun.
We got all these monsters going around LARPing as the Joker, where's our Batman? Where's the guy that's willing to teach them what fear feels like?
Teach who? This is one guy out of 170 million right wingers and probably millions of us neonazis. Random reprisal killings wouldn't help anything.
What do right-wingers say should be done about this anyways?
the carrying out of the neonazi program these scumbags put in their manifestos
I saw a post on /r/ tactical gear, no shit, that said "this guy visited out subreddit for advice. We need to train more with our guns to be ready next time!"
Like their response was "oops we enabled this guy but we're gonna be ready to stop him next time!"
What do white supremacists even like about the west?
They hate the Enlightenment, they hate "modernity" (whatever that is), they don't even seem to like the majority of white people, what about "the west" let alone "white people" DO they think is worth spilling blood over? Yeah, as a lefty I'm not exactly thrilled about "da west" either but at least I have a few gems in my life in the west. I like my neighbors, I actually get along pretty well for my co-workers, and I spent the past few days just hiking (not that I am planning on hurting someone over my love for these things).
What do white supremacists even like about the west?
They want to return to when people were ruled by a guy with his own marble statue
I like my neighbors, I actually get along pretty well for my co-workers, and I spent the past few days just hiking (not that I am planning on hurting someone over my love for these things).
I don't see how this is specific to "the west" either
It’s more that misanthropes latch on to anything as a framework to justify themselves.
Speaking of taking a hike to touch grass, you doing better after your 9 day sojourn off hexbear?
One of the Ur-Fascism things is a desire to return to a mythical and non-existent Golden Age.
:bean-think:: "Hmmm, it seems like when we allow lying media, crime happens. Should we jail everyone in Fox News and Social Media execs? Nah! Let's ban video games!'
does anyone have a link to his manifesto and the live stream they can DM? I get not wanting to glorify him and stuff but Ive never been a fan of how they hide these things so much that it basically just becomes another faceless shooter and they ignore his motives after a week because nobody sees the fucked up shit these people think and write. I feel like half the time reddit scrubs this stuff from being shared its because they dont want everyone to see how similarly they talk compared to the average redditor.
yeah I don't like how they take it down either. But honestly this guy has nothing new to say. Just the same old Great Replacement shit every other white nationalist terrorist supports. He's edgy, wrote Hitler on his gun and said he supports neo-nazism. We already know his type :le-pol-face:
sucks that's there's so many of these vile worms in our country now
Interesting how hate crimes are the one time this country is soft on crime.
People keep letting it happen over and over again. They think a white kids feelings of having a big pp are more important than your life.
yeah its because at the end of day white nationalist terrorism does not threaten this state. Why would it? The government is already ran by white supremacist racists and they love working with white nationalists.
They have to arrest the shooters because uncontrolled terrorism is bad for business but as far as rooting out white nationalist influence and disrupting their organizations the government has no reason to involve themselves.
White supremacists did threaten the state on Jan 6. They didn't do a good job, but if there had been ten moderately organized guys with rifles that day things could have gone very differently.
here's a straight PDF link of the "manifesto" (it's mostly just stale pol memes, CW obviously)
this shooter was 12 in 2016 :debord-tired:
EDIT: didn't even start browsing 4klan until 2020 pandemic :jokerfied:
I’ve just started to become aware of spree shooters now being much younger than me. This is a really strange feeling . . .
Welcome to the club friend. I was about the same age as the columbine shooters when that happened and it's been :doomjak: ever since.
those were bad times. my school de facto banned anything remotely "alternative" in fashion. i had a choker ripped off my neck by security.
Nobody cared. The media ignored that the shooters were Nazis and focused the blame on the "trenchcoat mafia", a bunch of goth kids who had nothing to do with them.
Next time some dipshit troll tries to tell me Italians aren't white I'm linking them this fucking manifesto I swear to fuck
his fucking myers briggs is on his manifesto lmao
god, a brain the size of an ant
this shooter was 12 in 2016
2016 was 6 goddam years ago. Time is a fuck.
I've seen the argument that spreading that kind of information could inspire others to copy-cat it.
However at this point it's like... well has it worked? Because people keep doing this shit.
This guy does specifically cite the Christchurch shooter's manifesto as an important inspiration.
I am going
going to become Frank Miller's Batman at this point.
People just going about their business, grabbing some snacks and pop for Saturday night movie night with the kids, and bam you're gone. That's so fucked up. I hope if I ever die in a mass shooting it's on Monday morning and not Saturday.
Right-wingers are already claiming he called himself a socialist lmao
Everything that aligns with my ideology but I can't admit it is a false flag.
Is "no u" the only thing they can say?
Also, why do they need to. Literally everyone except us is cheering the fash on.
shit like this makes me feel sane for packing heat when i go to the grocery store. might have to return fire on some piece of shit.
Then the cops will see you with a gun and shoot you instead of the shooter.
Yeah, I figure my ideal use of a gun in that situation is:
A) Run away
B) If A proves impossible, hide in corner of janitor closet with gat pointed at door
If A proves impossible, hide in corner of janitor closet with gat pointed at door
Honestly yeah, the best thing to do would probably be to get yourself and as many people as you can gather into an area that can be easily guarded and then posting at the entrance with your weapon ready. But this would still come with the risk of SWAT accidentally shooting you.
And then when someone else comes to hide with you and opens the door you immediately murder them because you can't think.
yea if i cant see the shooter im just running. these mass shooters seem to often crumble when anyone shoots back though because they are fucking cowards.
dude was shot multiple times by on scene security guard. apparently walked it off with whatever armor he was wearing
But counter strike told me that you always get hurt from small arms fire
They often end up murdering each other once they’ve run out of easily available commies/“removed” to kill. Pretty sure if they ever “won” they’d just keep narrowing the definition of an acceptable person till it’s like one dude living in a cave carving runes into his own flesh.
Pretty sure if they ever “won” they’d just keep narrowing the definition of an acceptable person till it’s like one dude living in a cave carving runes into his own flesh.
nazi race law proves this. fierce debates at the dawn of the 3rd reich over whether to target people who, for instance, had 1 jewish grandparent, or whose family members married into a jewish family.
@NomadicWarMachine and that one dude will write a harem manga about being the last guy on Earth.
Bro I wish I could carve runes into my flesh but not be associated with fascist shit
I mean you probably can, you would just need to wear a long sleeve shirt most places
For now. But look at his manifesto. He needed to specify his heritage to justify his actions lol. Whiteness is granted overnight and it can be taken back overnight. Right now it just so happens almost every Mayo is bloodthirsty so they’re able to have solidarity with each other
Fascism glorifies heroic martyrdom and self sacrifice for the volk. Betcha money that hard core white supremacists somewhere are talking about how this guy is a hero for finally striking out against the "removed"
prediction: we will all (including zoomers) do absolutely nothing but sit on our hands and stare at our phones as civilization collapses
hardly a prediction if it's readily observably occurring around us :pika-cousin-suffering:
“I wish the zoomers will bring us the revolution”
monkey paw curls
It’s the zoomer band kids who believed Stalin was based for killing 300 million people worldwide
I wouldnt be here if it wasn't for spamming ear-rape USSR national anthem in band class
:what-the-hell: :amerikkka-clap:
I apologize for being dickish to the people that got shot, but this amoral "culture" has raised multiple generations of "le epik trollz" and people no doubt do this shit because they think it's funny. I pretty much live every day of my life in fear of some nazi killing me for literally no reason, and getting praised for it by the masses.
Populism ruins civilizations.
Populism ruins civilizations.
Isn't "populism" a neolib dogwhistle for "anything that helps and is popular with poor people"
It can be that. It's also a pre-marxist form of "leftism" that has been rendered obsolete and reactionary by the invention of marxism and scientific socialism.
when i had it laid out to me explicitly that the original KKK was just as intentionally silly and irony poisoned as the alt right dweebs today like the proud boys it really clicked for me
It's been a while since I read anything about it so I don't have any links off the top of my head, but if you look at all the klan's ranks and stuff it's all just stupid - empires, realms, dominions, imperial wizards, grand exchequers, grand scribes, hydras, grand dragons, grand giants, goblins, furies, etc & so forth. In the 1800s whitey could sit back and feel secure that those silly boys putting on white sheets and riding around like hooligans calling each other goblins were just goofballs. Meanwhile the black people you never spoke to on the outskirts of your shitty little town would be terrorized and persecuted and the whites who weren't involved in the KKK never had to see shit. They could pretend like their cousin was just some nerd playing at fantasy bullshit and drinking with his other useless friends on the weekends instead of the terror organization they really were.
Yeah the kkk call their leader grand wizard. That should be a boss in a mediocre rpg not someone leading murderous fascists
I looked up that quote and no one can actually find the source. People like Eugene Debbs have said similar things and I think some black revolutionaries in the US have repeated similar sentiments. I think Sinclair said some similar stuff too.
It was an ideological nazi who did this and aimed to kill black people because of birth rates or whatever slurry brained theory they come up with
I see your point and I should not have used either of those words and I'll just swap them with less hog ones, but how monstrous one can be to get to this point of committing murder for e-clout? and what kind of culture are we fostering where shit like this is rewarded? It drives me into an absolute rage just how happy the lives of these monsters are.
Yeah, trust me dude. Don't talk like that. It will fuck up your mindset, and I got into some hot water the other day for the same shit and I just grilled for like a week.
and no, the hogs are most certainly NOT happy. If anything, they hate happiness in all its forms and want to see it eradicated so we can all be as miserable as they are.
You two need to hide your misanthropy underneath miles of irony like I do :tofu-cool:
After my week-long self exile, I realized:
"Do I really hate people, or do I just hate the antichrist and how it has corrupted my fellow man?" :troll:
also
>be american
>get shothappens to be a popular meme response to mass shootings on 4chan
but this amoral “culture”
No the problem with american culture is that its incredibly moralistic but in the secular individualist Christian tradition. It is a sick morality used to justify hierarchy and oppression, therefore might is right, suffering is a sin, and weakness should be punishable, by death ideally. These shootings are just the result of taking these edicts to their logical conclusion with a good dose of white supremacy thrown in.
I'm imagining mall security with an m4a1 with AP rounds or some shit
White teenage boys when they haven't shot up their daily social gathering :unsus:
:amerikkka-clap:: "Is that a black person just enjoying their life?! Time to [redacted] them for my own amusement!"
How is it that we keep losing to these idiots? How come no one has guns of their own and has ever stopped them? I'm sure gun control will get real popular real fast the minute a black person shoots one of these nazis in self defense.
Erie County has a weird mix of leftists and white nationalists. I'd say it's more left-leaning than NYC in many ways. These are people who come from a pretty tough environment and want to see their home improve while also dealing with white nationalists in the suburbs and rural areas.
Rural upstate is beautiful, but it's towns are all dead factory towns in a sea of dairy farms. It's also almost completely full of chuds
Same, if the worst of the hogs were in Canada instead of here in the states. I'd gladly move to Ithaca or the Adirondacks and :grill: for the rest of my life.
