what hanging around patsocs does to a mf. it's not that deep man, it's just self-expression, why make it an issue?
oh yeah I'm doubleposting on here but, feel like it's important to mention, the majority of furries are some variety of lgbt & some variety of neurodiverse. remember that when you see dudes going off about em - what traits do you think they're actually pissed off about?
how about this one then? in Tianjin
also those fursuits are fucking cool
Shanghai is 100% the weakest link in Mainland China when it comes to liberalism as we can see with the way the local Shanghai authorities completely fuck up their Covid response in an attempt to copy the West. But it has nothing to do with "social d-word," but more to do with its historical role as the Chinese city where all the Westerners flocked to when China was in the process of being colonized to the point where Shanghai had a defacto Chinatown. The Shanghai clique also plays a factor in this as well. And finally, plenty of Chinese people don't like Shanghai in the same way plenty of Americans don't like NYC or LA. It's mostly regional rivalry.
Yeah. Furries get shit on by online assholes because "they're perverts" (read: queer) and "they're cringe" (read:autistic). Not everyone is those, but that's why the hate.
Yeah, man, and you know what solves a broken, declining society? That's right, continuing to alienate individuals in an extremely derogatory manner while not addressing any of the material conditions that lead to their alienation.
(Also this is ignoring so much history of sexuality that frequently references animalistic traits in a fetishistic manner, regardless of the state of empire. This is simply a new form of it that is radically centered on our particular form of mythical animal, the anthropomorphic. That being said, I do not understand scalies and the phenomena of snakes with breasts. Ridiculous even by furry standards.)
I do not understand scalies and the phenomena of snakes with breasts
:meow-knife-trans: Those are fighting words. Meet me outside the establishment good, none/use name.
Either way is absurd, most mammals don't have human like breasts anyway.
I do not understand scalies and the phenomena of snakes with breasts.
You need to go read the classic genre piece "The Naught Argonian Maid" for insight in to the phenomena.
Oh I have read "The Lusty Argonian Maid" and if anything if just confused me more. But hey, not my thing.
Even if there were some legitimate reason to hate furries beyond "it's weird," how often do you have to actually interact with someone in a fur suit? Just avoid anime conventions and you will literally never have to think about them.
Not a lot of furries at anime conventions. Not none, but definitely not enough that they're hard to avoid. At least, furries that are wearing fur suits or otherwise are obviously furries.
You shouldn't let a bunch of netizen weirdos sway your opinion on China. They don't exactly have a stellar reputation among mainstream Chinese society.
He is both very real and very funny / stupid. He is a pretty hardcore Chinese Nationalist living in Taiwan. You can follow him for some good threads on the history and class divisions of Taiwanese politics, but just know that you're gonna get takes like the one above as well. He usually keeps his social conservatism slightly more hidden, but it sometimes burst outs. Full disclosure, I've followed him on/off for a few months, when i was more active on Twitter, and he posts A LOT.
I followed him for a while as well but yeah, eventually his social conservatism got too uncomfortable for me.
I'm more easily able to tune those things out, because I know that his opinions are completely irrelevant to my daily life. But I am also a white-cis-het man, so East Asian social conservatism is probably not gonna affect me directly.
People using the term "baizuo" in English social media will never not be cringe to me, especially when the vast majority can't even say it correctly lol
It's even more cowardly to hide behind "Oh, I'm not attacking furries, I'm just observing that they're a symptom of a greater problem"
And here’s a group photo of the 2018 SuperFurryFusion furcon held in Shanghai
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Damn, even the Chinese furries have surpassed ours. The american cultural empire is truly dead
AHH why do people care about us so much? Leave us alone! :kitty-cri-screm:
Real talk though, it's quite literally the overwhelming queerness of the space that's been the bulwark against it being consumed by capitalism from the outside.
Patsocs Purge Furries
TCP/IP stops working 3 weeks later for unclear reasons, all experts on the failure were furries.
It's roleplay.
There are hundreds of ways humans do roleplay, you just don't like the aesthetics of this one. It doesn't make it any different to any other act of roleplay humans perform though, there are hundreds of hobbies where people create a "persona" and roleplay being someone or something different. Furries just made events out of it that are popular and have a very visible cultural footprint because their entire hobby outputs shit tonnes of art.
The only thing furries really demonstrate is how much art matters to creating a community and culture. The only minor difference furries really have to any other roleplay hobby is that there's a heightened focus upon absolutely staying in character and your character being a version of you that doesn't hold back due to fear of societal norms. Let them chill, they're hurting nobody.
their entire hobby outputs shit tonnes of art.
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I mean, yeah there's a lot of porn but also there's a lot that's just normal art except furry.
Porn is unquestionable art. At least half of all art produced during the renaissance is spank material for rich patrons. It might not be good art, it might be mass produced kitsch, but it is art.
I mean, yeah I kinda agree in the sense of it being a creative output of humans that has a cultural impact.
But I still think that there's a difference between it and creative arts intentionally created to be art that is worth highlighting.
There are hundreds of ways humans do roleplay, you just don’t like the aesthetics of this one. It doesn’t make it any different to any other act of roleplay humans perform though, there are hundreds of hobbies where people create a “persona” and roleplay being someone or something different.
At first I thought you were talking about the person who made the tweet.
Another SWERF turns out be a social conservative. It keeps happening
I didn't get furries at all until I got into vrchat. They're pretty cool, mostly. Some people just want to be an anthropomorphic animal once in a while, and some people (me) want to be a cute anime girl.
Word. I feel bad that I was ever shitty to furries. They're just people with a hobby.
furries seem weird, but what do I know? i'm a robot dog with a gun.
i remember getting scolded for pointing out how class reductionist he was :farquaad-point:
i will be distributing my told you sos from this comment :meow-tankie:
I think the issue here, on a level more specific than his unfortunate brainrot, is the conflation of furry as fetish and the broader subculture.
It's like how most bronies don't want to fuck the horses but some do and those people are definitely unwell.
I'm not sure I'd compare even the fetish Furries to fetish Bronies.
Like, weird kink, not my thing, not into it, but fine, consenting adults portraying consenting adults who just happen to be anthropomorphic animals.
The whole reason that furries are so kinky like that is because they are extremely gay/queer. Queer people tend to fuck a lot and be quite kinky. All criticism of furries you can swap "furry" for "gay", and it's literally word for word exactly the same shit homophobes say.
Furry hate is just a way for homophobes to publicly say homophobic things and face less backlash.
all ten straight furries can stop being horny in public too
On Chapo, Christman once said that the rise of incest porn was because capitalist alienation had made everyone so lonely that it is fucking with sexual barometers, or something like that. I don't know if that is true, but if it is I feel it'd go a long way to explaining all these bizarre internet-spawned fetishes.
There's probably something to that...but on the other hand a brief look at 17th/18th century porn (or the walls of a roman brothel) will tell you these aren't exactly new fetishes
I've always favored a simpler explanation for the rise of incest roleplay porn: you can take literally any porn scenario, change a few of the words, and suddenly it's "incest porn" in addition to whatever other genres it already belonged to. Not only is it free taboo that doesn't require your actors to physically do anything they might not be comfortable with, it also means any viewers not into that can easily tune it out since it's otherwise a standard porn scene.
I've always wondered if part of the reason for step-incest porn is that it's an easy and (porn-)logical way to explain why a hot person is in your house ready to have sex with you despite you putting zero effort towards making that happen. Same as how the pizza delivery guy thing was never about the pizza (not even in cases where the pizza is involved).
I'm sure some element of incest fetishism is at play too, but part has to just be that writing "help me step-bro I'm stuck" is easy boilerplate porn writing
I'm...not sure it's the same thing, frankly.
The loli fetish is clearly sublimed noncery. The Furry thing is...they don't want to screw ducks, they want to screw Donald Duck. Which, again, super weird, but also a fictional representation of an adult, sentient, consenting character which is more a human with some duck features than anything else.
And not really any different from wanting to screw, say, an anime catgirl, or even Arwen Evenstar as far as I can tell. Neither of which is considered particularly unhealthy provided the person is otherwise functional.
Frankly, less so than Jane Eyre fantasies which would make half the het women in the west unwell.
If someone asked me to describe discourse online in a single sentence, I'd probably go for yours.
Honestly feels like you should be given a :hero-of-socialist-labor: as a reward.
/r/socialism tried to ban catgirls several years ago and they were routinely ridiculed for this exact take and it they eventually went back on it after the whole left made fun of them.
It is a really really silly take. For one petplay is a fetish that people outright enjoy, it's a sub/dom thing, and it's perfectly ok like every other sub/dom thing. And for two it isn't always petplay it's just liking catgirls, people like raccoon girls too is that magically different? What about batgirls? None of these are pets. It's not always a pet thing at all. Specifically singling out the cats is really silly.
No I'm sorry but this take is still horrible today.
Some of it is mysogynistic. Some of it is not. Claiming all girls portrayed anthropomorphically is mysogyny is frankly fucking ridiculous.
And you fail to distinguish between literally any sexual attraction to anthro girls and the petplay kink.
I get it, there is a subset of this that is dedicated to the concept of owning women and some of its proponents do not distinguish between it as a simple kink and it as a genuine outlet for mysogyny. But that is what it is -- a niche within a niche. You are deliberately ignoring that and expanding it into any and all sexual attraction people might have to women with fucking cat ears and tails which is as I said previously, utterly ridiculous.
If you think a girl is cute and them think she is still cute when she wears a cat ear hairband that’s one thing, but having a “thing” for animalistic people – which you keep generalizing away from for some odd reason – is very different.
You wanna call them animalistic people we can call them that, I don't give a shit what we call them it changes absolutely nothing about the point. Really I don't know why you have a problem with the word anthropormorphic, it means the same thing, humans with animal features.
There is a fundamental difference between animalistic people that are clearly just humans with animal features vs literal animal people that behave and act like animals who clearly have questionable levels of consent. Extrapolating this to everything is, as I keep saying, ridiculous. It's also a completely separate issue to the "misogyny" inherent to treating women like pets, which as I mentioned previously coincides with infantilisation, mansplaining attitudes and so on. Again though, this is not inherent to everything and your dogged insistence that it is doesn't lend itself to understanding any of the problems properly at all.
I get the sense that someone with the username “Awoo” who uses the term “anthropomorphic” to mean “having animal features” might have a dog in this fight, if you’ll pardon the pun.
Good job finding the way to be as weird about this as possible :yikes:
counterpoint: the furry fandom does have serious issues (related to grooming + sa more than the pictures on the Internet people hyperfocus on because they're more entertaining), but have you heard of "heterosexuals"
idk about bronies but from whatever little research has been done it does seem like a non insignificant % of furries ,male furries mainly, experience sexual attraction towards actual animals in various degrees
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331375793_The_Furry_Phenomenon_Characterizing_Sexual_Orientation_Sexual_Motivation_and_Erotic_Target_Identity_Inversions_in_Male_Furries
The existence of furries as a social phenomenon is
who cares? touch some grass dude holy shit
