"Imperialism leaves behind germs of rot which we must clinically detect and uproot from our land but from our minds as well." - Frantz Fanon
Hello users of Hexbear, the intent of this announcement is two-fold the first is that we would like to do another community moderator drive, if you have a community idea or want to help an existing one then please send an application either through hexbear or matrix direct message.
The call for new mods is crucial to our efforts to reduce racism and misogyny on the site, we need users to report and enough mods to be able to quickly act on the reports throughout the day and night. Also, CW or content warnings are essential to the safe browsing of Hexbear.
In addition, comments or posts removed for racist or misogyny will also be accompanied by escalating temporary bans. Upvotes will not be the single reason for a ban, however they may be used in conjunction with other posts/comments/upvotes. Consider this post the warning, however, mods are encouraged to reach out to hexbear users before a long duration ban.
The second is to increase transparency with regard to the site while not repeating the mistakes of previous attempts that were ultimately counterproductive, in part due to wreckers.
Previous attempts to increase site transparency and user participation were targeted by wreckers through increasing the intensity and frequency of struggle session drama.
Using matrix's increased level of user permissions as an anti-wrecking measure while having an increased barrier to sending messages with a clear process to gaining the ability to send messages, we hope to mitigate wrecking attempts.
Leading to the creation of the Hexbear Proposals chapo.chat matrix room.
This will be a place for site proposals and discussion before implementation on the site.
Every proposal will also be mirrored into a pinned post on the hexbear community. Any other ideas for helping to integrate the two spaces are welcome to be commented here or messaged to me directly.
Within Hexbear Proposals you can see the history of all site proposals and react to them, indicating a vote for or against a proposal.
Sending messages will be restricted to verified and active hexbear accounts older than 1 month with their matrix id in their hexbear user profile.
All top level messages within the channel must be a Proposals (idea for changing the site), Feedback (regarding non-technical aspects of the site, for technical please use https://hexbear.net/c/feedback), or Appeals (regarding admin/moderator actions).
Discussion regarding these will be within nested threads under the post.
To gain matrix verification, all you need to do is navigate to my hexbear userprofile and click the send a secure private message including your hexbear username.
In closing, I want to state that this site would not exist without the volunteer labor of the moderators, who I am deeply grateful for.
I would also like to take this moment to remind people that lemmy direct messages are not encrypted, and finally please use this post to discuss these changes, share community ideas, or express interest in moderation.
Application
What is your Hexbear username?
Do you have any preferred pronouns?
What are your thoughts on capitalism?
What are your thoughts on imperialism?
What are your thoughts on trans rights?
What are your thoughts on racial justice?
What do think about current and previous protests around the world?
What are your thoughts on Veganism and Animal Liberation?
Do you have any experience with other leftist online communities?
What did those experiences teach you?
What is your approach to moderation, and how do you work with teams?
How do you deal with online drama and people who try to start things for the sake of it?
What current comms would you be interested in moderating?
Do you have any ideas for community engagement?
What is your general time availability? (Time zone, amounts, common browsing times, etc)
Element information
Element is a messaging app that lets you talk to people over the Matrix protocol.
To get started, check out this link, where you can choose to either download Element for your platform or, if on a computer, open it in a browser.
The instructions that follow are for the desktop application and the web application, but the process is similar on all apps:
Press "Create Account"
We host our own Matrix server, so if you want you can change matrix.org to chapo.chat.
This is completely optional; users who sign up with a matrix.org username can still talk to people with chapo.chat username.
(Note: It is chapo.chat, not hexbear.net. Also, registrations aren't always open on chapo.chat; if they're not, just create an account on matrix.org)
Fill in a username and password
Hit register, and you're done!
I'll be honest having my upvotes monitored by secret committee has always made me very uncomfortable and I do not like this as an approach to push the site into whatever the mods want to unilaterally create. I genuinely thought that ended after that giant purge in the first year I didn't know mods still did that.
This is not to say I'm against any of the reasons mods want to moderate upbears. I just don't like feeling like I'm under a microscope even if Ihave nothing to hide. I know it's not popular to say, but I know I'm not just talking for myself here.
Traffic has seemed way down since the comm struggle session and I worry mods underestimate the chilling effect that unapologetic, undemocratic, heavy-handed moderation has an an ultimately delicate community.
This isn't a constant thing, the process is someone says: "Hey this really reactionary comment got a lot of upvotes can you check that?"
A user that shows up on a few of these requests are going to get closer attention, this is what we mean by upvotes are used along with modlog and post/comment history when determining the appropriate mod action to take against someone.
As per the previous struggle session, we have changed the way that site changes are discussed and enacted to give more transparency/user interaction.
We still have hundreds of daily active users, more than we had months ago, that being said this site has never prioritized growth or user count. What we have prioritized is making this as protected of a space possible for our marginalized comrades.
These comrades have asked for the recent changes, and without a doubt I could have communicated better. To that end we seek to improve the transparency process and allow more user engagement with said process
When I am tired at the end of the day I often upvote comments and posts without thinking. I’m sure lots of people are like this
to our efforts to reduce racism and misogyny on the site
Of the hexbear users that were banned for an upvote on the reactionary comment, four had she/her pronouns, three had they/them pronouns, three had he/him pronouns, and two had any/no pronouns. Now before someone misinterprets my comment, I'm not saying that women and non-binary people cannot be sexist or racist, I'm just saying that our renewed efforts to combat this undesirable behaviour appear to be hurting those we aim to protect. Maybe we need to re-evaluate our strategies given this reality, and the events of the past week(s). Using the same methods we used in the past to combat undesirable behaviour (in regards to voting bans) are not working and just causing more tension between the userbase and moderators/administrators.
Every proposal will also be mirrored into a pinned post on the hexbear community. Any other ideas for helping to integrate the two spaces are welcome to be commented here or messaged to me directly.
Could a matrix room be embedded as a "live ticker" or "live chat" on that post?
that would be really neat, however outside the scope of our capabilities due to the extensive amount of development required to make that work. Thanks for the suggestion
Idk if this is the proper channel, but I posted a request for a “mark as read” option in Lemmy which you can upvote if you are someone who uses upvotes this way. (I think it’s odd but I get it)
I should note there's also the "save" button (it's the star). Pressing it saves the post and you can later see it again by going to your profile and pressing "saved".
If marginalized comrades continue to speak about aspects of this site that make them uncomfortable, then we have more brainworms to remove and work to be done. I don't expect that process to ever fully end, either, until Imperialism and Capitalism have been abolished worldwide and land-back, decolonialism, and national liberation have taken the forefront. That's all I really have to say about this subject, and all I will say.
to our efforts to reduce racism and misogyny on the site
I'll say it again and again. The Code of Conduct states:
We are committed to providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all, regardless of gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, personal appearance, body size, race, ethnicity, age, religion, nationality, or other similar characteristic.
Do better. These struggle sessions, and the admin response, have weakened my confidence that you truly care to uphold this.
For instance, in this current struggle session, the admin team (Alaskaball's statement that carries a disclaimer that it is their view alone doesn't count) has failed to acknowledge how this action has made our users feel less safe. Many comrades called out how disabled/neurodivergent users can be disproportionately impacted and your response doesn't even come with an apology, let alone enough to reassure me that using the upbear button, perhaps in conjunction with a poorly phrased comment, isn't going to get me in this kind of situation — I have a hard enough time as it is ensuring that I've phrased comments acceptably and clearly (although feedback when I have erred in doing so is useful) or put posts in the right comm, etc.
For instance, Yukiko doesn't feel safe upvoting comments anymore, and the response to her comment about how the interaction between this and her ADHD makes her feel less safe is to remove it for being "hostile", instead of acknowledging the underlying concern. How is that commitment to welcoming regardless of disability?
P.S. If you feel like removing this comment, just permaban me. I would sorely miss the community, but in that case, I would know I'm not welcome.
We have in the past used upvote auditing to determine mod actions specifically to address the CoC clause you are quoting, and we will continue to do so in the future.
I recognize that many users upvote everything in a post to mark as read, as well as mistakenly upvote while scrolling on mobile which is why a single upvote will no longer be enough for a mod to act on, but it will continue to be used in conjunction with a user's voting patterns, mod-log, and post/comment history to make an appropriate action. Sadly, any feature request, like a way of marking a comment as read rather than voting on it, is not within our capabilities.
When multiple people of intersecting marginalized communities say to us "this comment that made me feel unsafe has a lot of upvotes, which make me feel worse, can something be done about this?" we acted. I'm sorry if those actions made the recipients feel unsafe, which is why we are asking mods to have more than a single upvote as evidence for an action.
For active hexbear users, we do encourage a mod sending a warning message, however that is not required. We frequently give 1 day temp bans without such a warning and while we do wish we had more mod tools available, we work with what we've got.
The previous struggle session was a result of the mod team wanting to uphold the code of conduct and received pushback for what was done. We have changed our site proposal process to give more transparency and opportunity for user interaction with the process.
If you have specific ways that we could improve, please comment here or use one of the other avenues provided.
Thank you for the comment, I won't be removing it.
We have in the past used upvote auditing to determine mod actions specifically to address the CoC clause you are quoting, and we will continue to do so in the future.
I'm not opposed to it as a holistic measure in principle (e.g. if someone is clearly and consistently upvoting CoC violating content and not others), but are there specific criteria that you plan to use? This warning is quite vague, and carries the risk of being reinterpreted in the future to permit, say, banning people for commenting in opposition to a planned change in a struggle session, in conjunction with upvoting similar comments in that struggle session.
When multiple people of intersecting marginalized communities say to us "this comment that made me feel unsafe has a lot of upvotes, which make me feel worse, can something be done about this?" we acted. I'm sorry if those actions made the recipients feel unsafe, which is why we are asking mods to have more than a single upvote as evidence for an action.
Thank you for sharing the admin team's thought process. I understand that it can be difficult in the moment to make administrative actions.
Nonetheless, I hope that admins have reached out to the affected users and acknowledge their feelings and the steps the admin team will take to ensure their concerns will not be an issue going forward.
If you have specific ways that we could improve, please comment here or use one of the other avenues provided.
I'm a little late to the party in terms of the struggle session — I only knew about it after this post had already been made, so I'm not intimately familiar with the specifics. I will also confess that I'm not intimately familiar with what correct moderation decisions should necessarily be, since I'm not a mod/admin.
That said, maybe if you had wanted to use the upbear list, messaging all users who upbeared it, good faith or not, with counterpropaganda would have been a good idea to make it a teaching moment for those who saw that comment and could potentially use a takedown even if they disagreed? Explain the difference between "working with fascists" and potentially converting them, or explain why even potentially converting them isn't worth trying, etc.
Thank you for the comment, I won't be removing it.
Thank you for responding to the comment.
I'd just like to say I love all my hexbears. I hate seeing what has been going on lately because this place is the only good thing on the internet. I hope we are able to emerge from these struggle sessions stronger and better but I'm having a hard time holding on to my bloomerism.
Fuck it close all the comms and embrace Megathreadism! Nothing bad ever happens in a Megathread. (this is a joke... mostly)
My anxiety is telling me that people hate the main site because I post there
I barely ever comment, but will absolutely pop out of the woodwork to join the chorus.
Your posting always gives me little bits of joy in my day, and the community is much better for having you in it
You joke, but all the good content is in the various megas. The main site is just cheap dunks and pointless drama at this point.
I do feel like the site needs a shake up. The users are good people but there is stagnation that I think is causing unrest.
That's just real life stagnation and depression creeping in. No idea what this website could possibly do about that though.
We would love to hear you and other users thoughts on what needs to change. Part of this new change is to make it easier for users to do so
While the Megathreads are great, encouraging posts outside of them would be nice as well
But we like the struggle sessions, they're a key element of hexbearism thought.
In addition, comments or posts removed for racist or misogyny will also be accompanied by escalating temporary bans. Upvotes will not be the single reason for a ban, however they may be used in conjunction with other posts/comments/upvotes. Consider this post the warning, however, mods are encouraged to reach out to hexbear users before a long duration ban.
Good. Me getting slapped for what I've said twice now was nonsense. My fighting for trans and minority folks should've clued you folks in to the fact that maybe, just maybe, I didn't read the whole fucking post. Hells, you, Carcosa, have had experience with my bitchiness in the past for me fighting for my trans comrades, so it was kinda bonkers to get banned for that reason.
Seriously glad you're attempting to shed these issues. Cause like, the site's slowly dying and accelerating it through nonsense actions is just going to kill it much quicker than its expiration date.
That being said, I'm not removing my uBlock rule for the fucking upbear button. I'm not chancing that shit again.
Where do you get the idea that the sites dying? Before federation we had like 500 users a day and now it's almost double that.
Not trying to be a dick or anything. I just genuinely don't understand the recent doomerism given that we've been through struggle sessions before and only come out stronger each time so far.
Granted, I stay out of most struggle sessions, so sorry if I'm being ignorant about what this is all about.
We currently have no real method with which to increase our user base reliably. We’ve stagnated. Our daily user count has been dropping slowly since then and, without users coming in, it will slowly die. It’s also easy to say that all of this drama as of late is driving people off. All these factors taken into account and we will eventually die. User retention is extremely important when you’re not sitting on a major website.
Also, federation was a couple years ago at this point. It did do us well, but any influx of users we would’ve seen from it has long passed.
I ***try *** to stay out of these damned things myself, but somehow after being on this site for over four years and avoiding it entirely, I’ve managed to get caught up in the last two. It’s incredibly stressful, but sometimes it’s for a good cause.
Does the site publish DAU stats? Coming from niche forums, I don't think growth is particularly important. You have to hit critical mass to become a stable community, but at a certain point you don't have to grow to stay alive. Having more people on here would be cool, but I've been taking "the site is dying" comments fully as a joke. Do people really think hexbear is literally (literally) doomed?
We have the sidebar statistics, which I look at semi-regularly. Why? I honestly couldn’t tell you.
Hexbear has a shelf life like most websites that make up the internet. We’re not large by any stretch of the imagination. Slowly over time, without pause intervention, we’ll slowly bleed users until there are few of us. That’s just the simple nature of things. I’ve lived through the lives of quite a few message boards in my time and almost all of them are down to a dozen or less users now from twenty years ago.
Sure, the shelf life may be ten or even twenty years. No one really knows. But making extremely poor decisions like our admin staff have been making lately cause that clock to tick more quickly. It might erase minutes, days, or even years. No one can really tell. But it does take time off of it.
The website is dead because a dozen people have been hanging out there consistently for 20 years.
huh, yeah I'm just coming from a completely different frame of reference then ig. That sounds like a pretty good page. I'm actually pretty happy with admin, so maybe we just don't see eye to eye at all lmao
Likely, which is fine. Not like this is a crucial opinion difference so it doesn’t matter at the end of the day.
Also, when I say dozen, I mean that’s the most. Several are actually just dead with zero users and my favorite has five users. Not sure why we haven’t just gone off to a discord at this point. I guess BBCode is just so much fun.
Hell, I'm not sure; that thread was an intense anxiety-inducing pile of shit. And admin responses to it aren't exactly leaving me with warm and fuzzy feelings about this place.
I'd also like to remind any mods that do not have element that the majority of the discussion that occurs on issues of the day occurs in Element. I know its a pain in the ass to fiddle around with the tech to get on there, but if I could somehow manage to do it I know you can too!
Whether you maintain a client on a phone app or in a desktop tab (the superior option because that's what I do lol), ensuring that you both stay up to date with what's going on behind the scenes and also lending your voice to the discussion is desired but still optional of course.
On the topic of Hexbear Proposals, I'd like to say that the goal of the project in my opinion is that it works similar to the little experiment I ran in the news mega in allowing users join the table of deliberations and discussion in collectively shaping the direction we'd like to see the site move towards. Keep in mind this is still very much a work in progress and not in any way shape or form a finished idea! So I'd like to ask anyone that decides to participate in the democratic posting trenches or simply sit on the sidelines and throw quippy one-liners to please grant us your patience and understanding as any unintended issues pop up.
That said I genuinely hope this helps us bring more stability to the site and helps us collectively move in a better direction.
Final note: just emphasizing the reminder to all you pretty little geometric ursines, please remember to be mindful of what you're posting! Make sure to add CWs and NSFWs to topics that need it! Remember to help remind each other if one of the posters forget to include a CW for anything, and if you'd rather not leave a reply doing so then please remember that the report button is there for your use to alert a mod that a poster is being forgetful. (Also please make sure to be descriptive when you write a report. Writing "sus" or leaving an emoji can leave us confused at times. So help us help you!)
I'm not reading all that. But cool thanks
Edit: I read all that and thank you. I think adding more dedicated mods from our trusted userbase will only increase the type of inclusivity we want and further the goals of hexbear.
I would like to look into becoming a moderator, do i send the application through element or here?
Going to publicly cast my no on this based on the past behavior I've seen from you.
Agreed. Vesting Helltaker with any responsibility over the site would be a gross violation of community trust.
I upbeared this because I agree. I hope I don't get banned.
Jokes aside, getting worried about the direction this site is taking. "Not Good"