• CthulhusIntern [he/him]
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    20 hours ago

    So basically, a similar thing to what happens in the United States happens in China, but in reverse, where the United States spins stuff or outright makes shit up about China and the American people take it hook, line, and sinker, whereas in China, they just tell their people straight-up about evil things the United States does without spin, but the people think "No, it can't be THAT bad, the government MUST be lying to us to make the United States look bad"?

    • godlessworm [comrade/them]
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      19 hours ago

      my impression after being on the app is that while america is constantly saying "evil china this, evil china that", china just straight up isn't thinking about us. what clued me into that was, i was watching a live where a chinese and american were talking. the chinese person said her first american movie she remembered watching was high school musical, and half jokingly asked if school was really like that here. the american informed her that no, schools here are generally unpleasant, and dangerous, and there's a huge risk of being shot in school. the chinese girl seemed actually shocked to hear about school shootings, like she had never heard that was happening here in her life. she straight up could not wrap her brain around it. that it happened, let alone that it's a common occurrence.

      meanwhile, we're all still hearing about the same knife attack that happened forever ago in china, that despite us hearing about, we also get told that the EVIL CEECEEPEECOMMUNIST CCP PARTY OF COMMUNIST CHINA covers it up.

      it's so blatantly obvious what's going on here. china has their own shit going on to worry about where as america has nothing good going on so we're constantly being told to "look over there at their problems"

      • Belly_Beanis [he/him]
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        18 hours ago

        Saw a video on YouTube a while back of some South Koreans being shown footage of everyday neighborhoods in the US where gun fights broke out. They a) couldn't believe how poor the infrastructure was; and b) holy shit people get shot at in broad daylight?

        They were in complete disbelief how crime wasn't addressed by ending poverty. They immediately understood people rob or deal drugs to make money, which is why people were shooting at one another. They had assumed that Americans were all rich since it's a wealthy country.

    • Biggay [he/him, comrade/them]
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      20 hours ago

      parenti

      ... well thats Marx, they say, 'thats Marx,' I mean I hear this all the time, I say you know I dont think US policy is so innocent, I mean you know we're out there helping and, 'well thats Marx' and I say oh well that guy Marx was really something you know? Here I am knocking myself out trying to make an analysis of something they give him the credit. Its pretty good, and then I realized something, that wasnt Marx, that wasnt Parenti, that was reality, thats what it was, reality happens to be Marxist.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT5jt7E06AE

    • casskaydee [she/her]
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      21 hours ago

      “Literacy” was always the most basic tool of totalitarian propaganda. If you are not literate you can’t be fed communist propaganda. The most steadfast anti-communist I knew in my childhood was my maternal grandfather who was illiterate. Communist propaganda did not reach him

      • tamagotchicowboy [he/him]
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        12 hours ago

        Even the quote tells on itself, there are and were illiterate comrades out there.

  • BeamBrain [he/him]
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    23 hours ago

    Americans meeting Chinese people find out their government's propaganda is wrong
    Chinese people meeting Americans find out their government's propaganda is right

    • FourteenEyes [he/him]
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      22 hours ago

      American propaganda about China: AMERICAN EAGLE BURGER INSTITUTE CONFIRMS CHINA IS ABOUT TO COLLAPSE (series of 300 videos)

      Chinese propaganda about America: Here is a text file detailing publicly accessible facts about America that you can find on their government websites

      • REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml
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        20 hours ago

        Reaction of eachs population:

        murrican: FUCK YEAH THE COMMIES SUCK!11

        Chinese: Come one, that's too absurd to be true.

  • TrashGoblin [he/him, they/them]
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    1 day ago

    It's also Americans getting to see that not only are things here bad, they're so bad people in other countries literally have trouble believing it.

    • CloutAtlas [he/him]
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      24 hours ago

      There was a Chinese guy on Twitter several years ago defending China's use of riot police during the Hong Kong riots using non lethal force, saying the rioters were destroying metro stations and damaging the trains/tracks and the police were right to intervene. They brought up how much more violent and deadly the reaction would be if masked rioters destroyed the Dallas or Atlanta subway systems.

      Then libs dunked in him for thinking Dallas had a subway, and not addressing the factually correct statement that the gommunist authoritarian government used less force than freedomland

      • Moss [they/them]
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        23 hours ago

        "Ha! These brainwashed foreigners think we have functional infrastructure, those fools"

    • Utter_Karate [he/him, comrade/them]
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      24 hours ago

      I knew US healthcare was fucked up, but I had my moment of disbelief when a colleague with dual citizenship tried to explain to me what Americans go through to pay their taxes. I literally thought he was lying to me because surely every state in the world wants to make it as easy as possible for people who want to pay their taxes to actually do so. But the US is exceptional I guess.

      • ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]
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        23 hours ago

        I had to repeatedly explain to an American that the £107 she paid at the hospital was actually the entire cost she had to pay the NHS after they set her broken leg and put a cast on it, and there wasn't another bill coming for the rest. Then had to explain there wasn't a separate bill for the ambulance, and that the £107 was the increased cost non-UK citizens pay. She was convinced she was going to be paying £1000+ even with her insurance.

        • invo_rt [he/him]
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          23 hours ago

          My partner was in a car accident and they needed surgery and a month stay in a hospital along with another month of physical therapy. Total cost? $560,000 big, beautiful US dollars. While they were in the ER still, we had to lawyer up and start suing. It's a disastrous system.

          • quarrk [he/him]
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            21 hours ago

            It's a disastrous system.

            I think about this a lot. It literally is a disaster, a complete catastrophe; but Americans are so used to it that it’s invisible like the air around them. It’s too bad the term woke was co-opted because it really is like waking up. It doesn’t have to mean waking up to capitalism and becoming a Marxist. It can simply mean seeing through the veil of capitalist realism and the extremely bad situation we’re already in.

            If we took a system that our country does reasonably well — let’s say food safety — and fucked it up as badly as our healthcare, I think people would be extremely unhappy. But with healthcare we’ve just never had it good to begin with.

            • SatanClaus@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              9 hours ago

              I've started calling it out. My mom is specifically getting pissed off about it and it's cracking me up. Any casual it's just the way it is comment gets met with a no. You are allowing this to happen right now and stating it is what it is is defeatist. Eventually they gotta wake up to the reality we should be killing every single heathcare insurer and insurance worker till it's resolved. We pay them to deal with the care for us. So we also need to attack them when they completely fucking fail us.

      • invo_rt [he/him]
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        23 hours ago

        Tax preparation services are literally a ~$40B/year industry in the US and they lobby Congress to prevent changes. It seems like the only two options are to either keep things as-is or "simplify" the tax code which would be cloaked in something like a flat tax which would be a massive giveaway to the wealthy.

      • Formerlyfarman [none/use name]
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        21 hours ago

        Nha, in Mexico we follow a similar system, except for some people the tax filing is every month. So they spend 3 or 4 days a month paying their taxes. I am an unregistered lumpen, so I don't pay income or payroll tax. And this it doesn't affect me. This is the situation for most people. But I tried to start a small business a few years ago, and the process to register for taxes was so bizantine I gave up. Mind you, this was during the pena nieto regime when they came up with a simplified mode for small business, it was way worse before, and I hear it is much more complicated now.

  • CrawlMarks [he/him]
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    22 hours ago

    I think the wildest ones are americans looking at Chinese grocery hall videos in awe over the quality and price of their food. That one hurts

    • markinov@lemmygrad.ml
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      8 hours ago

      Propaganda used to mean to just promote/publicize something. USA used so much lies it started to mean lies in USA ig (just a hypothesis)

    • miz [any, any]
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      23 hours ago

      propaganda is just a red scare loanword for publicity, but americans get pounded into their heads that it means something is a lie. since liberals do their best to ignore class they get to be "objective" and somehow free of class bias

      • Aquilae [he/him, they/them]
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        23 hours ago

        Fr I hate how people have started saying "propaganda" as a synonym for "disinformation" when that's already a common word

      • DeathsEmbrace@lemm.ee
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        23 hours ago

        Actually propaganda is portrayed as a tool or method to influence peoples opinions on something usually political. I don’t know where you got “lie” from but it’s not always a lie just trying to influence you. Some truths can also be used as climate change activists will use burning forests or climate disasters for visual effect but is ultimately climate change propaganda that works effectively.

        • keepcarrot [she/her]
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          21 hours ago

          You don't know where they got lie from? You've never ever heard propaganda used pejoratively?

        • miz [any, any]
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          23 hours ago

          I think I must have been unclear, I'm saying it gets portrayed as false because it has an agenda

  • riverSpirit@thelemmy.club
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    22 hours ago

    Beijing ambulances to get taxi-style meters

    https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-36130081.amp

    Until now, ambulance drivers worked out the charges themselves, often leading to complaints from members of the public who felt that their bills were too high, The Beijing News says.

    In February, Chinese media reported that a man in Shandong was slapped with a 3,600-yuan ($550; £380) charge after his ill father was transported 80km to hospital. That's about half the monthly wage of an average Beijing worker.


    Do Chinese really have to pay for ambulances or is that just their governments propaganda.

    • markinov@lemmygrad.ml
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      8 hours ago

      Do you know the meaning of -until now_? It clearly says

      From May, the emergency vehicles will charge a fixed rate of 50 yuan ($8; £5) for patients being transported up to 3km (1.9 miles), and then seven yuan for each kilometre travelled after that, the Beijing Morning Post reports. If an ambulance is called but then not needed, a 50-yuan charge will still apply, the paper notes.

      It means from 2016 they'll charging in this method that costs a lot less

    • Sulvor [he/him, undecided]
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      22 hours ago

      From May, the emergency vehicles will charge a fixed rate of 50 yuan ($8; £5) for patients being transported up to 3km (1.9 miles), and then seven yuan for each kilometre travelled after that, the Beijing Morning Post reports. If an ambulance is called but then not needed, a 50-yuan charge will still apply, the paper notes.

      Oh my god a 10km ambulance ride would cost like $15, how terrible!

      Meanwhile, in America:

      Show

      Source

        • Sulvor [he/him, undecided]
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          22 hours ago

          No you idiot, that’s talking about the cost before the change. That happened in May of 2016 lmao.

          The only person selectively quoting an article from almost a decade ago is you.

          • SoJB@lemmy.ml
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            8 hours ago

            Wait did that lib genuinely think the event that caused the regulation was… you know what, I’m not even going to dedicate more neurons to that.

            They can’t even fucking read anymore LMAO. You can’t make this shit up.

            posts story about China objectively making their citizens lives better

            it’s supposed to be some kind of big “gotcha” about how evil??? China is?

    • TC_209 [he/him, pup/pup's]
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      22 hours ago

      Congratulations on finding the second Google search result for "Chinese ambulance charge" -- I guess the equally out-of-date article from China Daily was a little too foreign.